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Senator Gravel: Bobby Fischer should be pardoned



 
 
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Old August 23rd 07, 10:34 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
Eustace
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Default Senator Gravel: Bobby Fischer should be pardoned

From an interview of Senator Gravel's spokesperson Shawn Alexander
Colvin to the the newspaper Pravda.ru.

(http://english.pravda.ru/world/ameri..._mike_gravel-0)

Second question from the bottom:


===================
PRAVDA.RU: Can you imagine the former chess champion Bobby Fisher as the
leader of an opposition movement in the USA? Please substantiate your
answer.

COLVIN: Bobby Fischer would be pardoned. He deserves an apology for the
way he has been treated by the Bush administration.
===================


"would be pardoned" doesn't really make sense. I think he rather said or
meant to say "should be pardoned". I wish more senators would raise the
issue.

Eustace


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Old August 23rd 07, 02:26 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
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Default Senator Gravel: Bobby Fischer should be pardoned

On Aug 23, 4:34 am, Eustace wrote:
From an interview of Senator Gravel's spokesperson Shawn Alexander
Colvin to the the newspaper Pravda.ru.

(http://english.pravda.ru/world/ameri...0-senator_mike...)

Second question from the bottom:

===================
PRAVDA.RU: Can you imagine the former chess champion Bobby Fisher as the
leader of an opposition movement in the USA? Please substantiate your
answer.

COLVIN: Bobby Fischer would be pardoned. He deserves an apology for the
way he has been treated by the Bush administration.
===================

"would be pardoned" doesn't really make sense. I think he rather said or
meant to say "should be pardoned". I wish more senators would raise the
issue.

Eustace


This is really great news, long overdue.

Too bad that even the Executive Board of the United States Chess
Federation refuses to support Fischer.

Sam Sloan

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Old August 23rd 07, 05:13 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
parrthenon@cs.com
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Default Senator Gravel: Bobby Fischer should be pardoned

ANOTHER VIEWPOINT

From THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by GM Larry Evans (Cardoza Publishers,

$9.95) due to reach bookstores in September.)

Surprised by arriving to a tumultuous hero's welcome in Reykjavik,
Fischer told a midnight crowd that he plans to stay there. "If the
people get
tired of me, they can take away my citizenship later," he said.
So far he has kept a low profile, but some observers are wondering
when he will bite the hand that freed him.

In a letter from congressman Christopher Shays to a constituent in
Connecticut in 2005, he stated:

"I do not believe that the United States should stop their
pursuit and prosecution of Bobby Fischer. A warrant was issued
for his arrest but never served since he has never returned to
America. After his arrest in Japan he also accused President
Bush and Japanese Prime Minister Koizumi of conspiring
against him and said, 'They should be hanged.' The bottom
line is Mr. Fischer broke the law and should be returned to the
United States where he can be tried for the crimes of which
he is accused. However, earlier this year, Iceland's parliament
granted him asylum and citizenship for bringing attention and
honor to the country in 1972 for beating Spassky there."


samsloan wrote:
On Aug 23, 4:34 am, Eustace wrote:
From an interview of Senator Gravel's spokesperson Shawn Alexander
Colvin to the the newspaper Pravda.ru.

(http://english.pravda.ru/world/ameri...0-senator_mike...)

Second question from the bottom:

===================
PRAVDA.RU: Can you imagine the former chess champion Bobby Fisher as the
leader of an opposition movement in the USA? Please substantiate your
answer.

COLVIN: Bobby Fischer would be pardoned. He deserves an apology for the
way he has been treated by the Bush administration.
===================

"would be pardoned" doesn't really make sense. I think he rather said or
meant to say "should be pardoned". I wish more senators would raise the
issue.

Eustace


This is really great news, long overdue.

Too bad that even the Executive Board of the United States Chess
Federation refuses to support Fischer.

Sam Sloan


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Old August 23rd 07, 05:25 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
Taylor Kingston
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Default Senator Gravel: Bobby Fischer should be pardoned

On Aug 23, 8:26 am, samsloan wrote:
On Aug 23, 4:34 am, Eustace wrote:

From an interview of Senator Gravel's spokesperson Shawn Alexander
Colvin to the the newspaper Pravda.ru.


(http://english.pravda.ru/world/ameri...0-senator_mike...)


Second question from the bottom:

PRAVDA.RU: Can you imagine the former chess champion Bobby Fisher as the
leader of an opposition movement in the USA? Please substantiate your
answer.


The interviewer must be amazingly ignorant of Fischer's political
and social opinions, or those of most Americans, to ask such an absurd
question.

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Old August 23rd 07, 05:50 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.russian
samsloan
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Default Senator Gravel: Bobby Fischer should be pardoned

On Aug 23, 11:25 am, Taylor Kingston wrote:
On Aug 23, 8:26 am, samsloan wrote:

On Aug 23, 4:34 am, Eustace wrote:


From an interview of Senator Gravel's spokesperson Shawn Alexander
Colvin to the the newspaper Pravda.ru.


(http://english.pravda.ru/world/ameri...0-senator_mike...)


Second question from the bottom:


PRAVDA.RU: Can you imagine the former chess champion Bobby Fisher as the
leader of an opposition movement in the USA? Please substantiate your
answer.


The interviewer must be amazingly ignorant of Fischer's political
and social opinions, or those of most Americans, to ask such an absurd
question.


I disagree. The interviewer seems quite aware of Fischer's views.

His questions, taken as a whole, seem to address the issue of Kasparov
leading an opposition movement in Russia while receiving some funding
from America.

Sam Sloan

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Old August 23rd 07, 06:02 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.russian
Taylor Kingston
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Default Senator Gravel: Bobby Fischer should be pardoned

On Aug 23, 11:50 am, samsloan wrote:
On Aug 23, 11:25 am, Taylor Kingston wrote:





On Aug 23, 8:26 am, samsloan wrote:


On Aug 23, 4:34 am, Eustace wrote:


From an interview of Senator Gravel's spokesperson Shawn Alexander
Colvin to the the newspaper Pravda.ru.


(http://english.pravda.ru/world/ameri...0-senator_mike...)


Second question from the bottom:


PRAVDA.RU: Can you imagine the former chess champion Bobby Fisher as the
leader of an opposition movement in the USA? Please substantiate your
answer.


The interviewer must be amazingly ignorant of Fischer's political
and social opinions, or those of most Americans, to ask such an absurd
question.


I disagree. The interviewer seems quite aware of Fischer's views.


My comment still stands. In that case, the interviewer must be
amazingly ignorant of how most Americans would view Fischer's rabidly
racist, anti-Semitic, and anti-American views. Not to mention
Fischer's lifelong preference for being an isolated loner, rather than
a group leader. There is no possibility of Fischer ever becoming any
sort of leader of any substantial political movement in the USA.

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Old August 23rd 07, 06:03 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
Paul Rubin
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Default Senator Gravel: Bobby Fischer should be pardoned

samsloan writes:
Too bad that even the Executive Board of the United States Chess
Federation refuses to support Fischer.


Why do you want to make it even worse? The EB at least is willing
to leave Fischer the hell alone to live his life in peace. You want
to make him a USCF member again, against his wishes.
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Old August 23rd 07, 06:13 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.russian
Rob
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Default Senator Gravel: Bobby Fischer should be pardoned

On Aug 23, 11:02 am, Taylor Kingston wrote:
On Aug 23, 11:50 am, samsloan wrote:





On Aug 23, 11:25 am, Taylor Kingston wrote:


On Aug 23, 8:26 am, samsloan wrote:


On Aug 23, 4:34 am, Eustace wrote:


From an interview of Senator Gravel's spokesperson Shawn Alexander
Colvin to the the newspaper Pravda.ru.


(http://english.pravda.ru/world/ameri...0-senator_mike...)


Second question from the bottom:


PRAVDA.RU: Can you imagine the former chess champion Bobby Fisher as the
leader of an opposition movement in the USA? Please substantiate your
answer.


The interviewer must be amazingly ignorant of Fischer's political
and social opinions, or those of most Americans, to ask such an absurd
question.


I disagree. The interviewer seems quite aware of Fischer's views.


My comment still stands. In that case, the interviewer must be
amazingly ignorant of how most Americans would view Fischer's rabidly
racist, anti-Semitic, and anti-American views. Not to mention
Fischer's lifelong preference for being an isolated loner, rather than
a group leader. There is no possibility of Fischer ever becoming any
sort of leader of any substantial political movement in the USA.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I agree with Taylor on this one. Fischer could never lead. Loan wolves
never lead a pack, they just antagonize it. Fischer and Mohaned Slaon
are cut from similar cloth in that regard.
Rob

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Old August 23rd 07, 06:14 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
parrthenon@cs.com
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Default Senator Gravel: Bobby Fischer should be pardoned

PRESIDENT CLINTON'S MEMOIRS

Excerpt from THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by GM Larry Evans.

3. Fischer Stalemated
February 14, 2005

It seems incredible, but Bobby Fischer languished in a Tokyo cell
for eight months without bail while Japan decided whether to deport
him
to America or Iceland, which had offered him asylum. His passport was
confiscated but the USA did not demand extradition because Japan
doesn't
regard his offense as criminal.

"He's not a robber, he's not a killer, he's not a traitor. All he did
was
play chess," said his lawyer. So just what did Bobby actually do apart
from
yapping about the Jews and praising terrorists for 9/11?

A new book, Bobby Fischer, The Wandering King (Batsford, 2004)
based on a Dutch TV documentary, notes, "Practising his art became
criminal because George Bush pére issued an executive order in 1992."

Fischer violated that order by playing a $5 million rematch with Boris
Spassky during a civil war in Yugoslavia. He was indicted by a Grand
Jury
13 years ago and faces 10 years in jail plus fines, the only person
ever
prosecuted for defying Bush's economic sanctions.

The book quotes former Chess Life editor Larry Parr, who said, "The
issue is not whether Fischer broke a law (so have all of us) but
whether he is
a criminal as opposed to someone who has fallen afoul of the federal
regime.
Americans today are largely sold on the State as the new god, but in
19th
century England, juries often would not convict for minor theft
because the
punishment -hanging- was utterly disproportionate to the crime."

Canadian chess journalist Jonathan Berry observed, "It has been
reported that President Clinton in his memoirs said the embargo was
ignored by all, even the USA government, and it was only enforced to
the
extent that arms were not sent to Serbia. Yet arms were sent with
impunity
to other factions, and other contacts with Serbia were okay. If true,
the
whole incident appears doubly pointless."

A reader replied, "It's even worse than that. Serbia allegedly
received
missiles produced in the USA via Israel which makes it grotesquely
hypocritical to punish Fischer for his 30 games against Spassky."

Paul Rubin wrote:
samsloan writes:
Too bad that even the Executive Board of the United States Chess
Federation refuses to support Fischer.


Why do you want to make it even worse? The EB at least is willing
to leave Fischer the hell alone to live his life in peace. You want
to make him a USCF member again, against his wishes.


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Old August 23rd 07, 06:17 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.computer
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Default Senator Gravel: Sam Sloan is a dickhead

On 23 Aug, 11:03, Paul Rubin wrote:
samsloan writes:
Too bad that even the Executive Board of the United States Chess
Federation refuses to support Fischer.


Why do you want to make it even worse? The EB at least is willing
to leave Fischer the hell alone to live his life in peace. You want
to make him a USCF member again, against his wishes.


Because Sam Sloan, just like Brian P. Lafferty, along with Brenan
Nierman, are dickheads, as elegantly stated by Anatoly Karpov.

 




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