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Old September 1st 07, 03:10 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On Aug 31, 7:16 pm, samsloan wrote:
False Claims by Polgar

Polgar propaganda constantly claims that Polgar is a "Four Times
Woman's World Champion". This is not true. She only won the Woman's
World Championship one time. That was in 1996.

Now that she has been elected, this allegation appears on the USCF
website. It will be interesting to see if this appears in Chess Life,
where everybody will know that it is false.

Several more false claims about Polgar appear. Here is part of a USCF
Press Release at:

http://beta.uschess.org/frontend/press_33_97.php

"Former Women's World Champion Susan Polgar has just been elected as
the first ever Chairman of the USCF. Grandmaster Susan Polgar is the
winner of four Women's World Championships and ten Olympiad medals (5
Gold, 4 Silver and 1 Bronze). She was the first woman to break the
gender barrier to earn the Grandmaster title with the same
qualifications as her male counterpart. She was also the first woman
to qualify for the Men's World Championship cycle. Susan became the #1
woman player in the world at the age of 15 and has remained in the top
3 for 23 straight years."

Much of this is not true.

She was not the first woman to qualify for the Men's World
Championship cycle. Pia Cramling was. Pia Cramling qualified from the
Championship of Sweden and played in the zonal tournament in about
1981.

It is true that Susan should have been allowed to qualify after
finishing tied for second in the 1986 Hungarian Championship, but
Hungary would not allow her to play, sending Csom instead. I was
personally involved in this incident, so I know all about it. I agree
that Polgar was cheated and she should have been allowed to play in
the zonal. However, in any case she would not have been the first
woman to qualify as Cramling had qualified five years before her.

Also, she has not been in the top three women in the world for 23
straight years because she is not in the top three now. She has been
largely inactive since 1992. Currently, the top three women in the
world are Judit Polgar, Humpy Koneru and Pia Cramling. Susan Polgar is
not listed since she has not played since 2004. Before 2004, she had
not played in 8 years since 1996. Naturally, during these long periods
when she is not playing, she cannot claim to be one of the "Top Three
Players" in the world.

http://www.fide.com/ratings/top.phtml?list=women

Now that she has been elected, one wonders whether these false claims
will appear in Chess Life magazine, where they will be the subject of
ridicule.

Sam Sloan


Speaking of false claims, a press release from Innes' much puffed 2005
Shacom infomercial comes to mind. I wrote:

Strangely enough, the "First Press Release" distributed by the
Innes/Mitchell team described GM Polgar as "ranked in the top three
in the world for the last twenty years. Polgar is currently ranked
#1 in the United States." No mention that this is a woman's title and
a
ranking on a woman's list. ChessBase made the correction, of course,
but then again, they know chess. The press release was sent to
non-chessplayers, or in other words people who would not know the
truth
about Trollgar. This betrays the fine hand of Philth Innes, who has
used this method of lying before; he once claimed to be "nearly an IM"
on a Shakespeare newsgroup.

As we continue to read this interesting document, we see that Trollgar
has earned "the title of "Chess Ambassador"." A search of the
Internet shows that the title of "Chess Ambassador" was awarded to
Trollgar by herself and her male remora.

Leaving aside for now the puffery about "distance chess" nonsense
(obviously Innes has never heard of correspondence chess), we note Mr.
Innes in his biography finally admits to having a business interest in
Shahcom, despite having denied it for years he "Synchronously with
business activities, worked with the inventor of chess broadcasting
technologies in St. Petersburg, Russia, since 1996, to promote greater
world-wide interactions and audiences for chess."

The chess may be high class, but the promotion of it is but another
sack of Philth.


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Old September 1st 07, 04:33 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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On Sep 1, 8:27 am, "Chess One" wrote:

She also has a pretty impressive record against Bobby Fischer, especially at
blitz, but she don't talk about it much


Phil Innes

http://beta.uschess.org/frontend/news_7_59.php


A pretty impressive result for some who's supposedly inactive.


Susan Polgar never played "chess" against Bobby Fischer. She played
him at Fischer Random Chess also now known as chess960 since there are
960 possible starting positions.

Fischer calls chess the "old chess" and refuses to play it.

Sam Sloan


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Old September 1st 07, 05:05 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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"samsloan" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 1, 8:27 am, "Chess One" wrote:

She also has a pretty impressive record against Bobby Fischer, especially
at
blitz, but she don't talk about it much


Phil Innes

http://beta.uschess.org/frontend/news_7_59.php


A pretty impressive result for some who's supposedly inactive.


Susan Polgar never played "chess" against Bobby Fischer. She played
him at Fischer Random Chess also now known as chess960 since there are
960 possible starting positions.

Fischer calls chess the "old chess" and refuses to play it.


and how did she get on at 960 against Fischer himself?

PI

Sam Sloan




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Old September 1st 07, 05:14 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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"The Historian" wrote in message
ups.com...

As we continue to read this interesting document, we see that Trollgar
has earned "the title of "Chess Ambassador"." A search of the
Internet shows that the title of "Chess Ambassador" was awarded to
Trollgar by herself and her male remora.


All you need to know about Susan Polgar and her husband by 'Bend it like
Brennan' the guy who drove her out of these very newsgroups - with a little
help from his friends. I think a lawyer shut em up at the time since such
messages could encourage real rather than virtual stalking.

Leaving aside for now the puffery about "distance chess" nonsense
(obviously Innes has never heard of correspondence chess), we note Mr.
Innes in his biography finally admits to having a business interest in
Shahcom, despite having denied it for years he "Synchronously with
business activities, worked with the inventor of chess broadcasting
technologies in St. Petersburg, Russia, since 1996, to promote greater
world-wide interactions and audiences for chess."


Let me pass on poor Neil's understanding of anything chessic, since I never
found any.

Phil Innes

The chess may be high class, but the promotion of it is but another
sack of Philth.




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Old September 1st 07, 08:57 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Lafferty
That isn't the issue I addressed. Did Pia
Cramling qualify for the WC Interzonal before Polgar did.
Not for the Interzonal, but for the zonal.

Polgar should have qualified for the zonal in Warsaw in 1986. She tied
for second in the 1986 Hungarian Championship with Istvan Csom. It had
been announced that the top three were in. The newspapers in Budapest
announced in great headlines that Polgar had qualified for the zonal
by finishing in the top 3.

However, at that time, Sandor Serenyi, President of the Hungarian
Chess Federation, was out of town. When he got back, he decreed that
there had been a mistake in calculating the number of players that
Hungary could send to the zonal. Hungary was only entitled to two
players, not three. As Susan had a half point less in Berger tie-
breaking points, Csom would go but not Susan, declared Serenyi.

As I was in Budapest when this happened, I asked Csom to agree to play
a match with Susan for the spot. Csom immediately agreed, saying that
he was not especially interested in playing in the zonal anyway.
However, later, in Dubai, during the chess Olympiad, Csom, with
Adorjan as his translator, told me that he had changed his mind and
was not willing to play a match with Polgar for the Zonal slot. Thus,
Polgar never played in the zonal.

Cramling had played in the European Zonal back in 1980 or 1981 in a
previous cycle. Thus, Cramling was the first woman ever to qualify for
the World Championship Cycle.

Actually, Susan never got to play in the world championship cycle, so
the issue is whether to count the incident in 1986 when, in my
opinion, she should have been allowed to play but never got to play.

Sam Sloan

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Old September 1st 07, 08:58 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
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GFY, sloan, I told you to stay the F out of SCM. Consider yourself
warned!

On Aug 31, 7:14 pm, samsloan wrote:
False Claims by Polgar

Polgar propaganda constantly claims that Polgar is a "Four Times
Woman's World Champion". This is not true. She only won the Woman's
World Championship one time. That was in 1996.

Now that she has been elected, this allegation appears on the USCF
website. It will be interesting to see if this appears in Chess Life,
where everybody will know that it is false.

Needless to say, this question is not allowed to be asked on the USCF
Forums

Sam Sloan



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Old September 1st 07, 09:18 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xplor
Quote:
Actually, Susan never got to play in the world
championship cycle
Or did she play in Groningen, 1993?
Good point, thank you. I had forgotten about that.

Susan played in the 1993 PCA Interzonal, but not in the FIDE
Interzonal. She finished dead last in a field of 54 players.

http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/9496piix.htm

The PCA was a rival organization set up by Kasparov when he split with
FIDE but it failed and went out of business soon thereafter.

Sam Sloan

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Old September 1st 07, 11:54 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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FIDE has a new chart of "World Top" lists.

Take a look at the chart for Susan Polgar:

http://www.fide.com/ratings/top_files.phtml?id=700088

Now, compare that with the chart for Pia Cramling:

http://www.fide.com/ratings/top_files.phtml?id=1700030

As you can plainly see, Pia Cramling has been consistently ranked as
one of the top rated women in the world in every FIDE rating list
since these charts have come out. Pia Cramling is currently rated
number 3 in the world, and has been so on the last several lists. This
is because Cramling is an active player who plays in many tournaments
every year and always keeps her rating active.

On the other hand, Susan Polgar has made the top women's list in only
one year: 2005, that because of two tournaments in which she played in
2004: The Oklahoma Challenge organized by Frank K. Berry and the 2004
World Chess Olympiad.

Those two tournaments are the only two FIDE rated tournaments in which
Susan Polgar has played in the last 11 years since 1996.

Thus, the claim that Susan Polgar has been rated in the top three
women in the world every year for the past 23 years is absolutely
false. I would expect that the Swedes will protest if Chess Life
publishes her claim.

Sam Sloan

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Old September 2nd 07, 03:53 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Lafferty
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robgetty
Why is a thread like this
even allowed to start? The title is an attack, and if Mr Sloan is
seriously concerned about this, he doesn't have to post on it here.

How much longer until he works through the sanction process to having
his posting rights permanently revoked?
Mr. Sloan has made a number of charges. Free speech allows him to do
so. However, the burden is on Mr. Sloan to prove his charges. If he
can't, he should be sanctioned. If he can't, Ms. Polgar may have an
action for defamation if Mr. Sloan acted with actual malice.
You seem to be imposing a double standard here, saying that I must
prove her claims to be false, without saying that she must prove her
claims to be true.

The normal rule is that one cannot prove a negative. Nevertheless, it
is possible to prove a positive and she has not done so.

Why is it that none of her claims are supported by the leading
authorities on the game of chess? Why is it that none of these great
accomplishments have been reported by ChessBase, The Week in Chess,
New In Chess, Inside Chess, Europe Eschech or even by Chess Life
magazine?

Let us make a list and see where is the proof:

"Grandmaster Susan Polgar is the winner of four Women's World
Championships"

When and where were those four Women's World Championships played? Why
does The Week in Chess only mention one? Why is there no mention of
these other three woman's world chess championships in any reputable
chess publication?

"She was also the first woman to qualify for the Men's World
Championship cycle."

When and where did this happen? What are the dates of this event? Why
is there no mention of this in The Week in Chess, in Chess Base or in
any other reputable chess publication.

"Susan .... has remained in the top 3 for 23 straight years."

Where is there evidence of this? Why is there no mention of this on
the FIDE website? Why is she not even currently listed in the top ten
in the world by any reputable source?

Note that I have left out one of her other claims. That is the claim
where she says, "She was the first woman to break the gender barrier
to earn the Grandmaster title with the same qualifications as her male
counterpart."

I happen to agree with that one. However, others are disputing that
point. I also understand that others are disputing her claim to hold
the world record for simultaneous exhibitions.

We have long ago given up asking Paul Truong about his claim to have
won 11 National Championships. He has refused to tell us when and
where he won those national championships or even in which country he
won them. We have a letter from the Vietnam Chess Association stating
that he never won the national championship of that country. I have
also recently acquired every issue of Chess Life magazine since 1976
and there is no mention in any of those magazines of Paul Truong ever
winning a national championship in this country, the USA.

Why are not Susan Polgar and Paul Truong being asked about these
matters, especially since they are now on the board?

Sam Sloan

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Old September 2nd 07, 03:55 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martinak
Quote:
Originally Posted by samsloan
The normal rule is that one cannot
prove a negative.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mulfish
You can prove a negative if it is possible to
identify all potential examples to the contrary, as in the example I
gave.
And actually in the case of qualifying for the Men's World
Championship cycle it is far easier to prove the negative than the
positive. The first step should be for Ms. Polgar to give the date of
her first qualification.
Right, and so far she has not done that. Susan has never provided the
dates of her first qualification or participation.

Susan also made the same statements during her commencement speech at
Texas Tech. Many people have remarked about how good her speech was,
but few seem to realize that her speech is filled with the same
unproven claims as are made in the aforementioned USCF Press Release.

In the video, now on youtube.com, "My Brilliant Brain - Make Me a
Genius" Part 1, the announcer introduces "Paul Truong, a former US
champion". When Susan beats him at one-minute chess, the announcer
says "her opponent has run out of time the latest in a long line of
distinguished victims."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPuHhWs8zy8

The words "Paul Truong, a former US champion" is, of course, a
fabrication, as Paul Truong has never even played in the US
Championship, much less won it.

Incidentally, part 4 of the same video has an inside view of Susan's
apartment where I stayed in 1986.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jzx6VYmGOM

Sam Sloan

 




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