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Old September 1st 07, 12:14 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
samsloan
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False Claims by Polgar

Polgar propaganda constantly claims that Polgar is a "Four Times
Woman's World Champion". This is not true. She only won the Woman's
World Championship one time. That was in 1996.

Now that she has been elected, this allegation appears on the USCF
website. It will be interesting to see if this appears in Chess Life,
where everybody will know that it is false.

Needless to say, this question is not allowed to be asked on the USCF
Forums

Sam Sloan

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Old September 1st 07, 01:16 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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Default False Claims by Polgar

False Claims by Polgar

Polgar propaganda constantly claims that Polgar is a "Four Times
Woman's World Champion". This is not true. She only won the Woman's
World Championship one time. That was in 1996.

Now that she has been elected, this allegation appears on the USCF
website. It will be interesting to see if this appears in Chess Life,
where everybody will know that it is false.

Several more false claims about Polgar appear. Here is part of a USCF
Press Release at:

http://beta.uschess.org/frontend/press_33_97.php

"Former Women's World Champion Susan Polgar has just been elected as
the first ever Chairman of the USCF. Grandmaster Susan Polgar is the
winner of four Women's World Championships and ten Olympiad medals (5
Gold, 4 Silver and 1 Bronze). She was the first woman to break the
gender barrier to earn the Grandmaster title with the same
qualifications as her male counterpart. She was also the first woman
to qualify for the Men's World Championship cycle. Susan became the #1
woman player in the world at the age of 15 and has remained in the top
3 for 23 straight years."

Much of this is not true.

She was not the first woman to qualify for the Men's World
Championship cycle. Pia Cramling was. Pia Cramling qualified from the
Championship of Sweden and played in the zonal tournament in about
1981.

It is true that Susan should have been allowed to qualify after
finishing tied for second in the 1986 Hungarian Championship, but
Hungary would not allow her to play, sending Csom instead. I was
personally involved in this incident, so I know all about it. I agree
that Polgar was cheated and she should have been allowed to play in
the zonal. However, in any case she would not have been the first
woman to qualify as Cramling had qualified five years before her.

Also, she has not been in the top three women in the world for 23
straight years because she is not in the top three now. She has been
largely inactive since 1992. Currently, the top three women in the
world are Judit Polgar, Humpy Koneru and Pia Cramling. Susan Polgar is
not listed since she has not played since 2004. Before 2004, she had
not played in 8 years since 1996. Naturally, during these long periods
when she is not playing, she cannot claim to be one of the "Top Three
Players" in the world.

http://www.fide.com/ratings/top.phtml?list=women

Now that she has been elected, one wonders whether these false claims
will appear in Chess Life magazine, where they will be the subject of
ridicule.

Sam Sloan

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Old September 1st 07, 01:41 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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"samsloan" Much of this is not true.


She also claims that she was molested four times. Perhaps you can shed some
light on this?


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Old September 1st 07, 02:28 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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samsloan writes:
Also, she has not been in the top three women in the world for 23
straight years because she is not in the top three now. She has been
largely inactive since 1992. Currently, the top three women in the
world are Judit Polgar, Humpy Koneru and Pia Cramling. Susan Polgar is
not listed since she has not played since 2004. Before 2004, she had
not played in 8 years since 1996. Naturally, during these long periods
when she is not playing, she cannot claim to be one of the "Top Three
Players" in the world.


I don't see why not. Bobby is still #1 as far as I'm concerned.

Susan scored clear 2nd in the NYC Mayor's Cup in June 2006, after
Kamsky and ahead of Onischuk, Gulko, Ibragimov, and Stripunsky:

http://beta.uschess.org/frontend/news_7_59.php

A pretty impressive result for some who's supposedly inactive.
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Old September 1st 07, 02:40 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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"Paul Rubin" I don't see why not. Bobby is still #1 as far as I'm
concerned.


You are so GAY.


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Old September 1st 07, 02:43 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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On Aug 31, 9:28 pm, Paul Rubin wrote:

I don't see why not. Bobby is still #1 as far as I'm concerned.

Susan scored clear 2nd in the NYC Mayor's Cup in June 2006, after
Kamsky and ahead of Onischuk, Gulko, Ibragimov, and Stripunsky:

http://beta.uschess.org/frontend/news_7_59.php

A pretty impressive result for some who's supposedly inactive.


That "New York Mayor's Cup" was an unrated, unofficial 30-minute
exhibition event, in which Polgar picked all her opponents.

There is no doubt that if Polgar played in official competition, she
would have a good chance, but the fact remains that she has not played
since 2004 and before that she had not played since 1996.

Sam Sloan


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Old September 1st 07, 02:47 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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samsloan writes:
There is no doubt that if Polgar played in official competition, she
would have a good chance, but the fact remains that she has not played
since 2004 and before that she had not played since 1996.


How about the Women's World Cup that she won in Dresden, July 2006:

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3228
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Old September 1st 07, 03:05 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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"Paul Rubin" How about the Women's World Cup that she won in Dresden,
July 2006:

That was the Lesbian Women's World Cup, a non-sanctioned event. Here she is
picking up her trophy: http://tinyurl.com/2c35rt


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Old September 1st 07, 03:18 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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On Aug 31, 9:47 pm, Paul Rubin wrote:
samsloan writes:
There is no doubt that if Polgar played in official competition, she
would have a good chance, but the fact remains that she has not played
since 2004 and before that she had not played since 1996.


How about the Women's World Cup that she won in Dresden, July 2006:

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3228


That too was an unrated, 30-minute exhibition event in which almost
none of the top players competed especially since the representatives
of China, Georgia, Russia and Ukraine, which have the strongest woman
players in the world, were excluded from the event.

http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/twic609.html#14

Note that both TWIC and ChessBase call the event the "Woman's Chess
Cup". The Real Woman's World Cup was won by Grandmaster Xu Yu Hua of
China.

One wonders why Susan only plays in these unrated 30-minute exhibition
events, avoiding strong competition against top-level players.

Sam Sloan

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Old September 1st 07, 01:27 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,soc.culture.magyar
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"Paul Rubin" wrote in message
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samsloan writes:
Also, she has not been in the top three women in the world for 23
straight years because she is not in the top three now. She has been
largely inactive since 1992. Currently, the top three women in the
world are Judit Polgar, Humpy Koneru and Pia Cramling. Susan Polgar is
not listed since she has not played since 2004. Before 2004, she had
not played in 8 years since 1996. Naturally, during these long periods
when she is not playing, she cannot claim to be one of the "Top Three
Players" in the world.


I don't see why not. Bobby is still #1 as far as I'm concerned.

Susan scored clear 2nd in the NYC Mayor's Cup in June 2006, after
Kamsky and ahead of Onischuk, Gulko, Ibragimov, and Stripunsky:


In the Petersburg match she played board 1, above Onishuk, Gulko and
Stripunsky. Pity about the first game which we all saw was drawn, and she
drew the second game. Not bad results against W Ch Khalifman.

She also has a pretty impressive record against Bobby Fischer, especially at
blitz, but she don't talk about it much

...and I don't think I can either, except that RJF stopped saying women can't
play chess after their games

when its next interview time with the board i might chuck that in as a
direct question - the thing is, she is no show-off and probably won't
answer - there is a difference between being a performer and having an
inflated ego - and although they often seem the same, there are exceptions

Phil Innes

http://beta.uschess.org/frontend/news_7_59.php

A pretty impressive result for some who's supposedly inactive.



 




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