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Help Requested from USCF Members & Delegates by DACP on Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:06 pm #70258 For the past few months, I have not posted updates on the retirement plan because I really thought that USCF was going to do the right thing and resolve this issue promptly and fairly for all employees. It seemed prudent to work within the system as best as possible. I no longer believe that to be the case or the best course of action. On July 24, 2007, I sent an email to USCF's attorney so that USCF could obtain a second legal opinion on the plan. On August 15, 2007, Mr. Hall indicated that he was expecting a legal opinion from the attorney within a week or so. On August 28, 2007, I asked Mr. Hall for a status of the legal opinion. He did not reply to my email. I discussed this issue with Charles Unruh, Chairperson of Finance several times. He indicated that the office was still working diligently on the problem. On September 8, 2007, I sent an email to Randy Bauer who in turn contacted Mr. Hall. Mr. Hall's response on September 10, 2007 as to WHEN we might reasonably expect a response from the USCF attorney was that he could not answer, USCF is looking for a document which the attorney requested, and he doesn't have a time frame. He has not said what the document is or if it has been found. My response to that email was that the answer was unacceptable. That all I am looking for is a timeframe for the employees. On September 16, 2007 hearing nothing further, I contacted Randy Bauer again. His response was that I was welcome to contact the full EB. On September 17, 2007, I sent an email to the confidential BINFO system anticipating that the email was sent to the full board. It doesn't work that way. I found that out on September 20, 2007. On September 20, 2007, I sent an email to all the EB members directly. The response from Mr. Goichberg is along the lines of I should inform the office of who has requested money and not been paid. That the office is still working on the issues at hand. That any employee who hasn't been paid should contact the EB directly. Well, as a USCF member, I really would like to see USCF pay ALL the employees the money that has been in the retirement plan as soon as possible. The answer of USCF is still working on it no longer cuts it as far as I'm concerned. The employees have sat by waiting patiently for answers and the current answer is USCF may or may not be looking for a document and the attorney is working on it but we have no idea on when you can expect to be done with USCF and get on with your lifes. Anyone in the audience here who has suggestions for the next course of action is welcome to contact me. It is obvious that the resolution to this issue is not at hand. I expect more from USCF management than has been evident. This is all about doing the right thing. Put yourselves in the shoes of the employees who have been waiting since 2003. Would you have waited this long? I didn't think so. Donna Alarie Massachusetts Delegate DACP Posts: 530 Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 11:30 am Location: Massachusetts USCFId: 12447542 a.. Private message b.. Website c.. AIM Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by rfeditor on Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:35 pm #70261 DACP wrote: I expect more from USCF management than has been evident. This is all about doing the right thing. Put yourselves in the shoes of the employees who have been waiting since 2003. Would you have waited this long? I didn't think so. Can you demonstrate the existence of such employees? (I suppose that would be former employees.) I don't want names, just evidence that one or more individuals have properly requested payout and not received it. Would not they be the only ones with standing to raise this question? John Hillery rfeditor Posts: 2449 Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:29 pm USCFId: 10010250 a.. Private message b.. Website c.. MSNM/WLM d.. YIM e.. AIM Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by DACP on Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:05 am #70262 If USCF management does not uphold the law and properly manage the retirement plan of the non-profit corporation, then it will expend membership assets in legal fees to defend itself. Personally, I don't appreciate my membership fees being used in this way when if management was effective and acted responsibly, there would be no reason to have to make such an expenditure. USCF did not make timely deposits and in fact, please look at the audited financials for the fiscal year ended 5/31/07. Note the quote for a deposit that should have been made for the year 2002 and was made in 2007. This means that anyone who was paid benefits from 2002 on, would have been paid benefits which were incorrectly calculated plus they would be entitled to interest and probably penalties on the untimeliness of that deposit. There are several employees who have requested payments. This issue was brought up several months ago and at the time, Mr. Hall said that he was not aware of this. Then at a later time, he said that the office had been contacted and he just found out. One of USCF's employees was keeping a list of the employees. As far as standing goes, a non-profit has a fiduciary responsibility to its members. I'm a USCF member. Donna Alarie Massachusetts Delegate DACP Posts: 530 Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 11:30 am Location: Massachusetts USCFId: 12447542 a.. Private message b.. Website c.. AIM Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by Ron Suarez on Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:06 am #70263 You must be joking John. This issue has been a recognized one now for a number of months. All the members of the Executive Board as well as the staff and all Finance people are aware of this USCF debacle. I suggest you come to the present time John. Donna, there is obviously a real problem of communication amongst the Executive Board members and the administrative staff. I would personally call the ED on this. I know that you have emailed him, talked with him personally and all. I mean to call him on this in public view. File an Ethics complaint against the ED and the Executive Board for not properly paying attention to their fiscal duties. These employees and former employees are certainly due the recompense in the form of their retirement that is owed them. ....from the Middle, Ron Suarez ID# 12483626 Ron Suarez Posts: 1141 Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:26 am Location: Peoria, Illinois ... the Middle USCFId: 12483626 a.. Private message Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by DACP on Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:20 am #70265 Ron Suarez wrote:I would personally call the ED on this. I know that you have emailed him, talked with him personally and all. I mean to call him on this in public view. File an Ethics complaint against the ED and the Executive Board for not properly paying attention to their fiscal duties. These employees and former employees are certainly due the recompense in the form of their retirement that is owed them. Thank you Ron. It had been my intention to put up a motion of no confidence in the Executive Director at the Delegates Meeting in August, but I wasn't convinced that I would have the votes necessary for it to pass. In fact, I was persuaded by others that it would have a negative effect on the EB not renewing the contract if they so chose and there was a vote for support put up instead. Since I had been under the impression that Mr. Hall's performance in many areas - particularly the ability to get accurate financial reporting out, was a problem, I never expected his contract to be renewed. And certainly not as one of the new EB's first courses of action. Perhaps I should have gone with my original instinct and put up the motion anyways. In any case, it is obvious that I have not been a supporter of Mr. Hall's for quite some time. His handling of this issue is just another item in the rather long list of items that I believe the office has handled rather ineffectively. Donna Alarie Massachusetts Delegate DACP Posts: 530 Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 11:30 am Location: Massachusetts USCFId: 12447542 a.. Private message b.. Website c.. AIM Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by rfeditor on Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:29 am #70266 Ron Suarez wrote:You must be joking John. This issue has been a recognized one now for a number of months. All the members of the Executive Board as well as the staff and all Finance people are aware of this USCF debacle. I suggest you come to the present time John. Donna, there is obviously a real problem of communication amongst the Executive Board members and the administrative staff. I would personally call the ED on this. I know that you have emailed him, talked with him personally and all. I mean to call him on this in public view. File an Ethics complaint against the ED and the Executive Board for not properly paying attention to their fiscal duties. These employees and former employees are certainly due the recompense in the form of their retirement that is owed them. By all means, let's join the lynch mob. No need to bother with law or evidence. The status of the pension fund (I know that's not exactly what it is, but it's close enough) is of practical importance only when someone retires, or quits and withdraws the money. I know people who have done both. (Probably better than you do, since I worked with them at one time.) Is there anyone who has requested money and not received it? Is there anyone who is entitled to money and has not received it? If not, going public in this manner seems like a grandstanding publicity stunt. I am particularly disturbed by your reference to the Ethics Committee. Didn't we have enough of this last year? The proper function -- the only legal function -- of the Ethics Committee is to regulate the conduct of players in tournaments. It is not a judiciary or a superlegislature. Last year it was stretched -- wrongly in my opinion -- to cover conduct by EB members and candidates. Perverting it to apply to USCF office employees is utterly preposterous. There are (or at least were) serious problems with "pension program," but these were (are) internal problems for the Board and ED to deal with. Donna deserves credit for the work she has done on this. But her behavior here has to call her judgment into question. John Hillery rfeditor Posts: 2449 Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:29 pm USCFId: 10010250 a.. Private message b.. Website c.. MSNM/WLM d.. YIM e.. AIM Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by DACP on Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:45 am #70268 rfeditor wrote:Is there anyone who has requested money and not received it? Is there anyone who is entitled to money and has not received it? ..... There are (or at least were) serious problems with "pension program," but these were (are) internal problems for the Board and ED to deal with. Donna deserves credit for the work she has done on this. But her behavior here has to call her judgment into question. Yes, there are employees who have requested funds and not been paid. They were told that USCF needed more time to figure out how much money they were entitled to. They were told to wait until the end of 2006, then February, 2007, then March, then April, then USCF bounced a check, then we had Donna get involved and it looked like USCF was on the path to fixing all this until July 24 when the second opinion request went out. One employee was asked to take half the money she was entitled to because that's what was "fair". Now, would you like to call MY integrity into question too? While I was in TN, I listened to an EB member call me a grandstanding Dubeck clone out to bankrupt the USCF. While I was in NJ, I listened to another stand in politician tell me I must think I'm playing Samson and Goliath. That it doesn't matter whether anyone has done anything wrong. That I should support the USCF no matter what. I'm rather tired of being called names, insulted, etc. for sticking up for employees who want nothing more than to get their retirement funds out of the USCF coffers because they have absolutely no faith in USCF's ability to manage its assets. By the way, do you know WHY the employees started asking for their money? Think back to 2003. Right. That's when USCF was on the verge of bankruptcy and one of the former employees in the finance arena suggested that there wasn't enough money to pay everyone so get the money out. The employees have been trying to do exactly that since then. My behavior in coming here is a point of last resort. If you were an employee, would "we're working on it" be okay by you? Why doesn't USCF just disseminate all the funds it has in the retirement plan to the former employees and let them get on with their lifes? Doesn't anyone else get this? They were FIRED by USCF. They want their money out of the organization and in IRA's where they feel secure. I don't blame them a bit. Seeing USCF's latest financials and how it keeps records, I'd ask for my money out too. Donna Alarie Massachusetts Delegate DACP Posts: 530 Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 11:30 am Location: Massachusetts USCFId: 12447542 a.. Private message b.. Website c.. AIM Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by sdo1 on Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:14 am #70271 I think a definitive statement is needed from USCF management regarding whether or not former employees are owed money that has not been payed them. If USCF management is not forthcoming with this information then USCF Governance would be remiss to NOT intervene and make sure of the status of this debt, and inform the membership regarding disposition. I don't pretend to understand the nuances of the accounting behind what is going on and so I've stayed out of this discussion for the past 10 months or so. However, if the USCF is indebted to former employees then the USCF needs to resolve this, and should have resolved this 10 months ago if the debt is valid. If the USCF has not done what they should then this is mark on the honor of the members and it must be resolved. We, as members, should expect no less from USCF management than that our responsibilities are honored. As this question is of such age, USCF management owes the membership a definitive answer on these matters so that we know for certain that our obligations have been met. Steve Owens in Tennessee - http://sdo1.blogspot.com - http://chessusa.blogspot.com - Just a USCF member "Love your neighbor as yourself and your country more than yourself." ---Thomas Jefferson sdo1 Posts: 43 Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:17 pm Location: Nashville, TN USCFId: 12467003 a.. Private message b.. Website c.. YIM Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by samsloan on Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:11 am #70273 DACP wrote:If USCF management does not uphold the law and properly manage the retirement plan of the non-profit corporation, then it will expend membership assets in legal fees to defend itself. Personally, I don't appreciate my membership fees being used in this way when if management was effective and acted responsibly, there would be no reason to have to make such an expenditure. USCF did not make timely deposits and in fact, please look at the audited financials for the fiscal year ended 5/31/07. Are the audited financials available for the fiscal year ended 5/31/07? I have not seen them. Where are they? Sam Sloan samsloan Posts: 2412 Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:17 pm Location: Bronx, New York USCFId: 11115292 a.. Private message b.. Website c.. YIM d.. AIM Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by samsloan on Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:24 am #70275 Starting from the very first day of my one year on the board and continuing to my very last day, I repeated asked for basic information about the retirement/profit sharing plan such as what the plan was, who was covered under the plan and what the employees were told about the plan while they were employed here. I never got the answers to any of these most basic questions. I think it is entirely possible that the USCF owed no money under the plan and that it should not have made the two payments of about $23,000 each while I was on the board. While I was on the board, at least I was constantly pushing for information, whereas the ED was stonewalling. Now that there is nobody on the board pushing, I suspect that there is no snowballs chance of you getting any more information than you have already gotten. Sam Sloan samsloan Posts: 2412 Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:17 pm Location: Bronx, New York USCFId: 11115292 a.. Private message b.. Website c.. YIM d.. AIM Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Edit post c.. Report this post by Brian Lafferty on Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:41 am #70277 If USCF management can not or will not get to the bottom of this situation, I suspect that the employees will contact the US department of Labor, and/or the IRS and/or the US Department of Justice and ask for their opinions on how best to proceed. In fact, it might be incumbent upon you to seek that advice. But, that's your decision and the former employees decision. I agree that if any of the employees go that route, it will cause the USCF to spend money on legal fees which is not how I'd like to see my membership dues spent. Note to moderators This is not a legal threat from me. This is commentary on what frustrated former employees might do. In fact, Donna, didn't you prevail on one of them to be patient and NOT go to the federal authorities or the NY State Attorney General for advice on how to get her money? Truth and criticism can not be stifled in the internet age. End the moderation or shut the forums down. Dissent will live elsewhere. Brian Lafferty Posts: 1516 Joined: Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:16 pm USCFId: 13592564 a.. Private message Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by mnibb on Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:26 am #70289 I have followed discussion on this topic from a distance. Is everyone saying that neither the USCF or the employees can produce statements or records of the values in the retirement system at the time of termination of employment? If either party could produce such statements, wouldn't it be possible to negotiate some value of the retirement accounts and pay them off? I seem to recall there being some formulas for the TVM (time value of money) 12818435 Mark Nibbelin Fellow Life Management Institute Chartered Life Underwriter Scholastic Chess Organizer. mnibb Posts: 1429 Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:55 am Location: Illinois USCFId: 12818435 a.. Private message b.. Website Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by artichoke on Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:29 am #70290 USCF should obey (not "uphold"; that's the sheriff's job) the law. If we can figure out whom we owe what, we should pay it. We should not disseminate all the money in the pension fund to people we might not owe however. To do the right thing, there's no alternative to first finding out what the right thing is. To "do something" without knowing that is to guarantee that one is doing the wrong thing. I am not asking for delay. I would love to see a correct accounting produced, yesterday! But we should do nothing until we know what to do. I call on the EB to move the investigation forward to a correct conclusion. artichoke Posts: 3431 Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:36 am Location: Connecticut USCFId: 10167825 a.. Private message Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by Hal Terrie on Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:06 am #70298 rfeditor wrote: The proper function -- the only legal function -- of the Ethics Committee is to regulate the conduct of players in tournaments. This is not entirely accurate. The Ethics Committee has jurisdiction not only over the Code of Ethics but also over the Standards of Conduct for the USCF Executive Board. This is why the Committee was compelled to accept cases dealing with the conduct of Executive Board Members. rfeditor wrote:It is not a judiciary or a superlegislature. Last year it was stretched -- wrongly in my opinion -- to cover conduct by EB members and candidates. Perverting it to apply to USCF office employees is utterly preposterous. The Code cannot be applied to office employees. From Section 3 (A) of the Code: "This code shall not apply to actions or behavior by employees of USCF acting in the scope of their duties. Such actions fall instead under the province of the Executive Board." -- Hal Terrie Hal Terrie Posts: 128 Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:33 pm Location: New Hampshire USCFId: 10025265 a.. Private message Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by Sevan Muradian on Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:28 am #70301 So some questions from someone who hasn't been following this topic closely. So is this what we are looking for: 1. A list of who is entitled to the payments; 2. How much each person is entitled to; 3. Pay them; Does #1 exist? Does the USCF know who was employed? Does USCF have records if they were already paid or not paid out? I know USCF records keeping stinks like roadkill but this should exist. How much are they entitled to? Were there formulas being used to determine, etc.? Sevan Muradian Help Requested from USCF Members & Delegates A forum to discuss general USCF issues (Open to USCF members only.) Moderator: Moderators Post a reply 25 posts . Page 2 of 2 . 1, 2 a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by Mulfish on Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:40 am #70302 Considering how long this issue has been festering, I see only two reasons why this would not have been figured out by now: 1. Management has no idea what they are doing in this area. 2. Management does not consider this issue important. These are not mutually exclusive options. I agree with the leafy one that we need to know what the right thing is before doing it. That simply means we must prioritize getting this nailed done now. We KNOW that ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away is not the right thing to do. Surely no one disagrees with that. I see why Donna declined to run for the EB. Pity. Mulfish Posts: 828 Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 4:24 pm Location: Atlanta GA USCFId: 10510376 a.. Private message Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by nolan on Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:51 am #70308 The audited financials were posted on the website on September 6th. See http://www.uschess.org/org/govern/06-07 ... ements.pdf nolan Posts: 6357 Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:39 pm USCFId: 10339324 a.. Private message Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by artichoke on Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:31 am #70313 Hal Terrie wrote: rfeditor wrote: ... From Section 3 (A) of the Code: "This code shall not apply to actions or behavior by employees of USCF acting in the scope of their duties. Such actions fall instead under the province of the Executive Board." -- Hal Terrie Yet another problem with the S of C: it's poorly written (as well as poorly conceived.) "Under the province"? Under Canadian provinces, I'm sure that one finds dirt and rocks, and probably some ice. "In" might do better. I feel sorry for the Ethics Committee for having to deal with the S of C. OK enough of my off-topic pet peeve. artichoke Posts: 3437 Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:36 am Location: Connecticut USCFId: 10167825 a.. Private message Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by DACP on Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:42 am #70318 Sevan Muradian wrote:So some questions from someone who hasn't been following this topic closely. So is this what we are looking for: 1. A list of who is entitled to the payments; 2. How much each person is entitled to; 3. Pay them; Does #1 exist? Does the USCF know who was employed? Does USCF have records if they were already paid or not paid out? I know USCF records keeping stinks like roadkill but this should exist. How much are they entitled to? Were there formulas being used to determine, etc.? The first issue is whether USCF's retirement plan is a pension plan or a profit sharing plan and which plan has legal standing. In 2002, a restatement was made, but there are *issues* with how that was done pertaining to the actions of the EB and whether proper notice was given to the employees. The plan prior to that one was 1992. USCF's retirement attorney provided the initial legal opinion. However, due to some conflicting advice which he also provided (which is how we end up with the 2002 liability showing up in 2007), it was agreed that USCF should obtain the advice of a second attorney. I spent quite literally an entire day creating a (eleven pages I believe it is) synopsis of the legal issues involved and a list of the documents needed for the second opinion. The USCF office was to produce those documents to the attorney of which I had copies except for two items. My letter was July 24. Mr. Hall states that the documents went to the attorney within a week of that letter. I'll just call attention to that fact. The timing was the US Open. By not immediately sending all the documents to the attorney, there was really no chance of having a legal opinion from the attorney at the US Open. The current status is that on 9/10/07, Mr. Hall stated that USCF was looking for *a* document that the attorney requested. The fact that USCF doesn't want to tell me what that document is, well, all I can say is that I have piles of information here and I'm the one who went dumpster diving in the USCF warehouse for information. At the very least, I could tell them where the document is not or if I saw it. But USCF chooses to not disclose this. Okay, so it's now 9/21/07 - over 10 days later. Has the USCF found the mystery document? No answer. How long will the USCF continue to look for the document? No answer. When will the attorney provide his opinion? No answer. I have not asked USCF to rush the opinion. But the initial emails was 7/24/07. And common sense says that someone either spends all the time necessary to track down the document and if you can't provide it, then you acknowledge that it is gone and move on. Once an opinion is obtained as to which plan has standing, then the calculations can be properly made. It's just that pension plans have one set of penalties and profit sharing plans another. Also the legal laws governing retirement plans changed in 1997. If one plan is in effect, then USCF has a mandatory contribution of 2% per year for the years 2003 through 2007. If it is not in effect, then the contribution stops with 1/1/03. This sounds a lot worse then it might be. Remember, for the most part, the employees who were vested are the ones who were fired in 2003. They can't get annual contributions if they had no salary. As for how much is owed each employee. No, the calculations on each statement are not accurate. USCF has not properly maintained the plan since approximately 1997. It's a complicated formula. When an employee leaves who is not fully vested, his/her benefits are to be disseminated to the remaining employees. Obviously, this needs to be calculated as each employee leaves in order to know who the remaining employees were at that time. It wasn't accurately done. The annual statements are not accurate. They don't reflect the actual earnings in the bank accounts. The person who did the statements didn't understand the form and made figures balance, but didn't allocate them properly. In 2004, there was a huge outcry from the employees about how the statements were wrong. They were promised that they would be recalculated. It hasn't happened. Instead of asking me who's waiting, why doesn't the office say how many people have been paid. Mr. Sloan indicates two employees...I'm not taking the time at this moment to look through the last year to verify that number. I believe Mr. Hall said he had a list with 6 to 8 employees on it. Have those people been paid? Unless they have since the US Open, then the obvious answer is no. In the past, individuals have threatened USCF with lawsuits. As individuals have complained loudly and obtained legal counsel to demand their benefits, they have been addressed on an individual basis and in at least one case, paid an excess of what the statements indicate should be paid. Now, USCF wants me to provide a list of employees who I have knowledge of. Well, I have no intention of allowing USCF to just pay the *noisy* employees so that it can continue to diminish the need to address this issue. The quiet employees deserve just as much attention. Donna Alarie Massachusetts Delegate DACP Posts: 532 Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 11:30 am Location: Massachusetts USCFId: 12447542 a.. Private message b.. Website c.. AIM Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by nolan on Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:48 am #70319 Donna, did you remove any documents from the USCF's possession? Your statement above seems to suggest you may have. nolan Posts: 6357 Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:39 pm USCFId: 10339324 a.. Private message Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by DACP on Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:26 am #70332 nolan wrote onna, did you remove any documents from the USCF's possession? Your statement above seems to suggest you may have. NO Mike I did not. I made copies of everything from USCF and left the originals with USCF. However, I also did not take copies of everything that USCF has. Some documents I did not think were necessary, but if USCF is now looking for a particular document, I might be able to say that I saw it in the warehouse and was looking in the boxes located near xyz. OR that I have a copy of that and the copies of it are on Bill's credenza in the pile of stuff. The volumes of information is nothing short of astounding and it was not all kept in one location contrary to what would be a normal business practice. However, Mike what I do have is confidential information from various employees and others who have been involved in USCF. Quite often the reason I was able to locate documents is because others told me where to look. For instance, one individual suggested someone's basement and there's reason to believe that statement to be accurate since at one point someone else remembered them coming into the office and being turned over to someone else. Also sometimes it's helpful to hear that the plan used to be kept in black binders in the USCF office so that when one is looking for them, you know what to look for. That sort of thing. What USCF needs to keep in mind is that we are talking about are former employees...the ones who were IN the office when USCF was talking about what a mess the retirement plan is or about how USCF couldn't access the money because it was kept in the names of individual USCF officers instead of the general name of USCF. Donna Alarie Massachusetts Delegate DACP Posts: 532 Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 11:30 am Location: Massachusetts USCFId: 12447542 a.. Private message b.. Website c.. AIM Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by Hal Terrie on Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:29 am #70333 artichoke wrote: rfeditor wrote: Hal Terrie wrote: ... From Section 3 (A) of the Code: "This code shall not apply to actions or behavior by employees of USCF acting in the scope of their duties. Such actions fall instead under the province of the Executive Board." -- Hal Terrie Yet another problem with the S of C: it's poorly written (as well as poorly conceived.) "Under the province"? Under Canadian provinces, I'm sure that one finds dirt and rocks, and probably some ice. "In" might do better. I feel sorry for the Ethics Committee for having to deal with the S of C. OK enough of my off-topic pet peeve. The word "province" has more than one meaning. Get out a dictionary and look it up. -- Hal Terrie Hal Terrie Posts: 129 Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:33 pm Location: New Hampshire USCFId: 10025265 a.. Private message Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by nolan on Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:38 am #70335 I disagree with your assessment that the funds, which are held by a third party and thus have NEVER been in any jeopardy due to the USCF's financial state, were ever in the PERSONAL NAMES of any USCF officers. Yes, those officers were named on the account, but so was the USCF itself. The fund manager would have CORRECTLY refused to disburse any funds unless those who had authority to authorize those disbursements signed the check and would have CORRECTLY refused to change the names on the account without a release from those individuals. Those people were no longer USCF officers by then, but the changing of signature cards and such is, or should be, a periodic rite of passage whenever the USCF changes officers. nolan Posts: 6357 Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:39 pm USCFId: 10339324 a.. Private message Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by artichoke on Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:53 am #70338 Hal Terrie wrote: artichoke wrote: rfeditor wrote: Hal Terrie wrote: ... From Section 3 (A) of the Code: "This code shall not apply to actions or behavior by employees of USCF acting in the scope of their duties. Such actions fall instead under the province of the Executive Board." -- Hal Terrie Yet another problem with the S of C: it's poorly written (as well as poorly conceived.) "Under the province"? Under Canadian provinces, I'm sure that one finds dirt and rocks, and probably some ice. "In" might do better. I feel sorry for the Ethics Committee for having to deal with the S of C. OK enough of my off-topic pet peeve. The word "province" has more than one meaning. Get out a dictionary and look it up. -- Hal Terrie It would still work better as "in" rather than "under". It's better not to mix the metaphors. artichoke Posts: 3437 Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:36 am Location: Connecticut USCFId: 10167825 a.. Private message Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. Reply with quote b.. Report this post by DACP on Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:55 am #70339 nolan wrote:I disagree with your assessment that the funds, which are held by a third party and thus have NEVER been in any jeopardy due to the USCF's financial state, were ever in the PERSONAL NAMES of any USCF officers. Yes, those officers were named on the account, but so was the USCF itself. The fund manager would have CORRECTLY refused to disburse any funds unless those who had authority to authorize those disbursements signed the check and would have CORRECTLY refused to change the names on the account without a release from those individuals. Those people were no longer USCF officers by then, but the changing of signature cards and such is, or should be, a periodic rite of passage whenever the USCF changes officers. You can disagree all you want. It won't change facts. The funds were in the names of a former ED and a former CFO or VP Finance or Treasurer or whatever title was in existence when in 2004, the new CFO wanted to access the information in the account and was told that he could not since he was not listed on the account. Never mind write checks. He couldn't get the balance on the statements. Also, there is a board motion in 2005 (I believe it was without looking it up) when the names were changed because the new President of USCF could not get information from the funds company pertaining to the balances in the accounts because again, she was not listed on the account. What would be a normal business procedure is NOT to have the names of individuals on the checks AT ALL which is exactly what USCF has done in the past and was doing until recently or may still be doing. In fact, one of the recent checks sent to a former employee had the names of the prior individuals on it although signed by current trustees. Yes, I have a copy of that check. It is normal business practice to list the signing authorities as the President and VP Finance of USCF - without actual names - those would be on signature cards only - and then only a new corporate resolution would need to be presented to show that the individuals have changed. No release needed from prior representatives. Part of USCF's issue was exactly that. The ED left without a forwarding address and was unreachable to get a release on the account. So, during this time, while the employees were requesting their funds since they had just been fired and wanted nothing to do with USCF, they were unable to get them. That's exactly when this whole mess started to eke out into the public domain. Donna Alarie Massachusetts Delegate |
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The status of the pension fund (I know that's not exactly what it is, but it's close enough) is of practical importance only when someone retires, or quits and withdraws the money. I know people who have done both. (Probably better than you do, since I worked with them at one time.) Is there anyone who has requested money and not received it? Is there anyone who is entitled to money and has not received it? If not, going public in this manner seems like a grandstanding publicity stunt. I am particularly disturbed by your reference to the Ethics Committee. Didn't we have enough of this last year? The proper function -- the only legal function -- of the Ethics Committee is to regulate the conduct of players in tournaments. It is not a judiciary or a superlegislature. Last year it was stretched -- wrongly in my opinion -- to cover conduct by EB members and candidates. Perverting it to apply to USCF office employees is utterly preposterous. There are (or at least were) serious problems with "pension program," but these were (are) internal problems for the Board and ED to deal with. Donna deserves credit for the work she has done on this. But her behavior here has to call her judgment into question. John Hillery rfeditor Donna Alarie deserves commendation not disingenuous attacks. John Hillery's statement that "The status of the pension fund (I know that's not exactly what it is, but it's close enough) is of practical importance only when someone retires, or quits and withdraws the money." is a demonstration that he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about regarding the profit sharing plan OR about the full disclosure laws which surround it. Since the passage of ERISA back in the 1970s, pension and profit sharing plans have been under federal scrutiny. Employees have a right to their funds when leaving or they have a right to pledge those funds (under certain circumstances) while they are still being held by USCF or they may be able to borrow those funds directly from USCF. Most of all, employees and former employees have a right to know the current disposition of their assets. John Hillery's see no evil view/hear no evil attitude is the very root of USCF's ongoing problems. That the membership and employees cannot trust politicians like Hillery who would brush every legal violation under the rug is no surprise. More than 10,000 of us who are life members watched our Life Member's Account wasted out of existence by the John Hillery/Don Schultz/Bill Goichberg's. For the life members, the LMA was our little pension which was supposed to pay for our future benefits. In Hillery's view, this is something that should be left to the politicians and the Donna Alarie whistleblowers should have their judgment questioned. This situation cries out for someone to make a federal complaint so that the justice department and department of labor can straighten out John Hillery's behavior and his judgment. http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/erisa_enforcement.html is a good place to start for anyone who has been denied their benefits or employees who just want to know where their assets are. Richard Peterson |
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wrote: The status of the pension fund (I know that's not exactly what it is, but it's close enough) is of practical importance only when someone retires, or quits and withdraws the money. I know people who have done both. (Probably better than you do, since I worked with them at one time.) Is there anyone who has requested money and not received it? Is there anyone who is entitled to money and has not received it? If not, going public in this manner seems like a grandstanding publicity stunt. I am particularly disturbed by your reference to the Ethics Committee. Didn't we have enough of this last year? The proper function -- the only legal function -- of the Ethics Committee is to regulate the conduct of players in tournaments. It is not a judiciary or a superlegislature. Last year it was stretched -- wrongly in my opinion -- to cover conduct by EB members and candidates. Perverting it to apply to USCF office employees is utterly preposterous. There are (or at least were) serious problems with "pension program," but these were (are) internal problems for the Board and ED to deal with. Donna deserves credit for the work she has done on this. But her behavior here has to call her judgment into question. John Hillery rfeditor Donna Alarie deserves commendation not disingenuous attacks. John Hillery's statement that "The status of the pension fund (I know that's not exactly what it is, but it's close enough) is of practical importance only when someone retires, or quits and withdraws the money." is a demonstration that he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about regarding the profit sharing plan OR about the full disclosure laws which surround it. Since the passage of ERISA back in the 1970s, pension and profit sharing plans have been under federal scrutiny. Employees have a right to their funds when leaving or they have a right to pledge those funds (under certain circumstances) while they are still being held by USCF or they may be able to borrow those funds directly from USCF. Most of all, employees and former employees have a right to know the current disposition of their assets. John Hillery's see no evil view/hear no evil attitude is the very root of USCF's ongoing problems. That the membership and employees cannot trust politicians like Hillery who would brush every legal violation under the rug is no surprise. More than 10,000 of us who are life members watched our Life Member's Account wasted out of existence by the John Hillery/Don Schultz/Bill Goichberg's. For the life members, the LMA was our little pension which was supposed to pay for our future benefits. In Hillery's view, this is something that should be left to the politicians and the Donna Alarie whistleblowers should have their judgment questioned. This situation cries out for someone to make a federal complaint so that the justice department and department of labor can straighten out John Hillery's behavior and his judgment. http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/erisa_enforcement.html is a good place to start for anyone who has been denied their benefits or employees who just want to know where their assets are. Richard Peterson That's pretty funny coming from someone who, ah, misappropriated the CalChess treasury, then traded it back for a lucrative scholastic tournament. (At the time, a CalChess rep tried to convince us that his address was really in Southern California. We didn't want him either.) What I asked for from Donna Alarie was evidence that someone was actually being shorted -- now, not at some time in the past. If she provides it, I'll change my opinion. I haven't seen any yet. John Hillery |
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Here is the email Donna has in mind:
At 09:41 AM 4/14/2007 EDT, wrote: CONFIDENTIAL In a message dated 4/14/2007 8:20:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, writes: Regarding the bounced check on the pension account, when the time comes to hand down criminal indictments about this, I will be in the clear but you will not, because I have been complaining about mis-handling of the pension funds ever since the first day I came on the board, which was August 14, 2006. The transcript will show me making an issue over this while the rest of you remain silent. I will not have to share your jail cell. I doubt, a defense of "but I complained" would carry much weight. What Board motion did you make? As a result of the delays regarding Jami, Lawrence requested we do a ten year analysis of the Pension. Is this correct? I was also told Jean Bernice is the next case in line and she is now waiting, is this true? Another recipient of the fund money told me he took the calculated amount at face value and is now unsure if he got the correct amount. ALL fund disbursements, for any reason, Can we verify whether the fund is now fully funded? Not understanding Pension funds that well I may be off on some of my concerns but we seem to have one problem after another and it is time we did some preemptive analysis rather than handle a succession of problems each time a withdrawal from the fund is requested. Therefore, and going back in time to January 1, 2000. The report should be available by July 15. ask that the 5 day response period to this motion be extended to May 5. And Bill Hall, please advise if this puts an excessive burden on staff in which case we will have to look elsewhere to get this report. Sincerely, Don Schultz I vote yes on Don's motion. I was going to make much the same motion myself, but nobody pays attention to my motions. Sam Sloan |
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The posting above was pulled instantly by tanstaafl a/k/a Herbert
Vaughn even before anybody had a chance to read it. Here is our exchange of PMs on this: Quote:
As Donna correctly points out these posts were part of the board debate on a motion. As such, the members are entitled to know about them. Therefore, it is your legal obligation to restore the posts. Sam Sloan |
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far. I was never able to find out what the plan was and who were supposedly the beneficiaries of the plan. It was reported that in 1995 the board had decided not to fund the plan, but nobody could find signed documents establishing that. This is really an amazing situation. We have a plan but nobody seems to know what the plan is or if the plan is really in effect. Until we get the answers to those questions, we cannot proceed to the questions of who the former employees are who might be entitled to receive something under the plan. A very ridiculous situation. Sam Sloan |
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That's pretty funny coming from someone who, ah, misappropriated the CalChess treasury, then traded it back for a lucrative scholastic tournament. (At the time, a CalChess rep tried to convince us that his address was really in Southern California. We didn't want him either.) What I asked for from Donna Alarie was evidence that someone was actually being shorted -- now, not at some time in the past. If she provides it, I'll change my opinion. I haven't seen any yet. John Hillery- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is that what happened John? Spoken like a true insider. How absurd. What a liar you are. A short retort on the CalChess charges. CalChess, where I was the unaminously elected treasurer, had collected about $25,000 from the kids for subscriptions to CalChess Journal. The then President of Calchess and certain politicos did not like Frisco Del Rosario, the editor of CalChess Journal, and fired him replacing him with one of her do-nothing friends who produced two bad issues in 18 months instead of the 9 that were due. The children's money was being stolen. I went to the Kern County district attorney, explained the theft, and with his permission moved the money to a trust account where there were three signatories and I was not one of them. So much for misappropriation. In a similar rip off, it is worth recalling that USChess stole subscription funds from tens of thousands of kids when it ended Schoolmates. They stopped publishing the magazines and kept the money because USChess was having cash flow problems. Now back to the problems with the USChess profit sharing plan. There have been problems with it since Al Lawrence's secretary left USChess and the Schultz politicos were playing games with her life. It wasn't a secret. It was even an item in the delegate's packet in Reno back in 1999. Using John Hillery's standard, no one is allowed to raise the questions. Donna Alarie raises legitimate issues of legality and process. Regarding Hillery, the word coverup comes to mind. John Hillery should shut up and crawl back in his hole. Richard Peterson |
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On Sep 24, 11:14 am, wrote:
That's pretty funny coming from someone who, ah, misappropriated the CalChess treasury, then traded it back for a lucrative scholastic tournament. (At the time, a CalChess rep tried to convince us that his address was really in Southern California. We didn't want him either.) What I asked for from Donna Alarie was evidence that someone was actually being shorted -- now, not at some time in the past. If she provides it, I'll change my opinion. I haven't seen any yet. John Hillery- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is that what happened John? Spoken like a true insider. How absurd. What a liar you are. A short retort on the CalChess charges. CalChess, where I was the unaminously elected treasurer, had collected about $25,000 from the kids for subscriptions to CalChess Journal. The then President of Calchess and certain politicos did not like Frisco Del Rosario, the editor of CalChess Journal, and fired him replacing him with one of her do-nothing friends who produced two bad issues in 18 months instead of the 9 that were due. The children's money was being stolen. I went to the Kern County district attorney, explained the theft, and with his permission moved the money to a trust account where there were three signatories and I was not one of them. So much for misappropriation. In a similar rip off, it is worth recalling that USChess stole subscription funds from tens of thousands of kids when it ended Schoolmates. They stopped publishing the magazines and kept the money because USChess was having cash flow problems. Now back to the problems with the USChess profit sharing plan. There have been problems with it since Al Lawrence's secretary left USChess and the Schultz politicos were playing games with her life. It wasn't a secret. It was even an item in the delegate's packet in Reno back in 1999. Using John Hillery's standard, no one is allowed to raise the questions. Donna Alarie raises legitimate issues of legality and process. Regarding Hillery, the word coverup comes to mind. John Hillery should shut up and crawl back in his hole. Richard Peterson However, you have not responded to the main charge, which is you "then traded it back for a lucrative scholastic tournament". I know that you eventually gave the CalChess treasury back (but only after a lawsuit was filed against you) but I have never previously heard that that was part of a deal to give you a lucrative scholastic tournament. Is that true? Did you organize or direct any big CalChess tournaments at that time? Sam Sloan |
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However, you have not responded to the main charge, which is you "then traded it back for a lucrative scholastic tournament". I know that you eventually gave the CalChess treasury back (but only after a lawsuit was filed against you) but I have never previously heard that that was part of a deal to give you a lucrative scholastic tournament. Is that true? Did you organize or direct any big CalChess tournaments at that time? Sam Sloan- Your facts are almost correct. A lawsuit was filed and then promptly dropped by the politicos in CalChess who were trying to get the CalChess Scholastics for themselves after I had (many months earlier) won the competitive bidding. I was under no legal pressure to make a deal and I publicly wrote the children's subscriptio |