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Old September 25th 07, 11:56 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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This week there appears a new memoire of Arnold Denker at Chessville
including Arnold's favorite game [score given below].

(9/23) Chessville Vignettes: If You Must Meet Arnold Denker, a remembrance
by Larry Parr. Denker, former US Champion, and once among the top-20
players in the world, about whom Al Horowitz once wrote, "He can handle an
attack with a fertility of ideas and richness of imagination that are rare."

full article: http://www.chessville.com:80/misc/Hi...tes/Denker.htm

Denker,A - Feit,H
New York Interscholastic Championship, 1929

1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 e6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.0-0 Nf6 6.c4 Be7 7.Nc3 d6 8.d5 e5 9.Ng5
Bc8 10.e4 0-0 11.f4 exf4 12.Bxf4 fxe4 13.Ncxe4 Nxe4 [diagram] 14.Bxe4 Bxg5
15.Qh5 Rxf4 16.Qxh7+ Kf7 17.Bg6+ Kf6 18.Rxf4+ Bxf4 19.Qh4+ Bg5 20.Qe4 Be3+
21.Kh1 Bh6 22.Rf1+ Kg5 23.Bh7 1-0

Note the date above, and also this one:

"in 1995, at age 81, he finished sixth in the U. S. Open."

Brava!

Phil Innes
Chessville's Honorable Spam Director




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Old September 25th 07, 07:18 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On Sep 25, 3:56 pm, "Chess One" wrote:
This week there appears a new memoire of Arnold Denker at Chessville
including Arnold's favorite game [score given below].

(9/23) Chessville Vignettes: If You Must Meet Arnold Denker, a remembrance
by Larry Parr. Denker, former US Champion, and once among the top-20
players in the world, about whom Al Horowitz once wrote, "He can handle an
attack with a fertility of ideas and richness of imagination that are rare."

full article:http://www.chessville.com:80/misc/Hi...tes/Denker.htm

Denker,A - Feit,H
New York Interscholastic Championship, 1929

1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 e6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.0-0 Nf6 6.c4 Be7 7.Nc3 d6 8.d5 e5 9.Ng5
Bc8 10.e4 0-0 11.f4 exf4 12.Bxf4 fxe4 13.Ncxe4 Nxe4 [diagram] 14.Bxe4 Bxg5
15.Qh5 Rxf4 16.Qxh7+ Kf7 17.Bg6+ Kf6 18.Rxf4+ Bxf4 19.Qh4+ Bg5 20.Qe4 Be3+
21.Kh1 Bh6 22.Rf1+ Kg5 23.Bh7 1-0

Note the date above, and also this one:

"in 1995, at age 81, he finished sixth in the U. S. Open."

Brava!

Phil Innes
Chessville's Honorable Spam Director


I loved reading whole story. And also the game was very nice. Imagine,
he played such a good game in 1929. When there was no computer to
practise.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

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Old September 25th 07, 08:43 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On Sep 25, 5:56 am, "Chess One" wrote:
This week there appears a new memoire of Arnold Denker at Chessville
including Arnold's favorite game [score given below].

(9/23) Chessville Vignettes: If You Must Meet Arnold Denker, a remembrance
by Larry Parr. Denker, former US Champion, and once among the top-20
players in the world, about whom Al Horowitz once wrote, "He can handle an
attack with a fertility of ideas and richness of imagination that are rare."

full article:http://www.chessville.com:80/misc/Hi...tes/Denker.htm

Denker,A - Feit,H
New York Interscholastic Championship, 1929

1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 e6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.0-0 Nf6 6.c4 Be7 7.Nc3 d6 8.d5 e5 9.Ng5
Bc8 10.e4 0-0 11.f4 exf4 12.Bxf4 fxe4 13.Ncxe4 Nxe4 [diagram] 14.Bxe4 Bxg5
15.Qh5 Rxf4 16.Qxh7+ Kf7 17.Bg6+ Kf6 18.Rxf4+ Bxf4 19.Qh4+ Bg5 20.Qe4 Be3+
21.Kh1 Bh6 22.Rf1+ Kg5 23.Bh7 1-0

Note the date above, and also this one:

"in 1995, at age 81, he finished sixth in the U. S. Open."

Brava!

Phil Innes
Chessville's Honorable Spam Director


This is a wonderful piece of work. Mr. Parr did a fine job. Lets hope
we shall soon have more submissions of equal quality with which to
build the Vignette library.

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Old September 26th 07, 01:07 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Chess One wrote:

"in 1995, at age 81, he finished sixth in the U. S. Open."

Brava!


Is that Andean?


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Old September 26th 07, 05:47 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On Sep 25, 1:18 pm, Sanny wrote:

Denker,A - Feit,H
New York Interscholastic Championship, 1929


1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 e6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.0-0 Nf6 6.c4 Be7 7.Nc3 d6 8.d5 e5 9.Ng5
Bc8 10.e4 0-0 11.f4 exf4 12.Bxf4 fxe4 13.Ncxe4 Nxe4 [diagram] 14.Bxe4 Bxg5
15.Qh5 Rxf4 16.Qxh7+ Kf7 17.Bg6+ Kf6 18.Rxf4+ Bxf4 19.Qh4+ Bg5 20.Qe4 Be3+
21.Kh1 Bh6 22.Rf1+ Kg5 23.Bh7 1-0


I loved reading whole story. And also the game was very nice. Imagine,
he played such a good game in 1929. When there was no computer to
practise.


In the game to which you refer, the young Mr. Denker
missed an obvious *mate-in-one* by 23.h4++. To me,
this brings into serious question the level of understanding
behind the grandmasterly-looking opening moves; in fact,
I wonder if this Queen's Indian style setup was a common
way of playing the Dutch Defense way back then. His
opponent, a young Mr. Feit, also missed several better
defensive tries. The move 7. ...d6 is where Black went
astray; that move can be and is played in what we now
call the Lenningrad Dutch -- with no Queenside
fianchetto, of course.

I think it must be the aggressive, attacking style
which pleases the eye here; to me, it looks like White
was pursuing the opponent's Queen (not his King), up
until the final move, and that Black was defending the
wrong monarch, but to no avail.


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Old September 26th 07, 06:09 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On Sep 25, 5:56 am, "Chess One" wrote:

Note the date above, and also this one:

"in 1995, at age 81, he finished sixth in the U. S. Open."



The official crosstable shows he tied for 6th through 12th,
which is not quite the same as "finishing sixth". It was a
very good tourney for GM Denker, as he went from USCF
2322 all the way up to 2375! Note that (apart from Alex
Yermolinsky) this event was not exactly packed with
grandmasters; so where the heck were they? Was the
U.S. Closed championship huge that year? In any case,
at 81 years old, he smacked around several masters; this
reminds me of Jack Palance falling to the stage floor and
doing one-armed pushups at the Academy Awards. (Big
deal; let's see him do just *one* with no arms!)


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Old September 26th 07, 08:14 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On Sep 25, 5:56 am, "Chess One" wrote:

This week there appears a new memoire of Arnold Denker at Chessville
including Arnold's favorite game [score given below].


Denker,A - Feit,H
New York Interscholastic Championship, 1929

1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 e6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.0-0 Nf6 6.c4 Be7 7.Nc3 d6 8.d5 e5 9.Ng5
Bc8 10.e4 0-0 11.f4 exf4 12.Bxf4 fxe4 13.Ncxe4 Nxe4 [diagram] 14.Bxe4 Bxg5
15.Qh5 Rxf4 16.Qxh7+ Kf7 17.Bg6+ Kf6 18.Rxf4+ Bxf4 19.Qh4+ Bg5 20.Qe4 Be3+
21.Kh1 Bh6 22.Rf1+ Kg5 23.Bh7 1-0



I find GM Denker's own annotations of this game to
be just a tad misguided.


a) He says that the fianchetto of Black's QB is a
strategical error, which may be true; but then he
just assumes that Black will later advance his
d-pawn, and gives that as the proof. (In fact, this
later advance is a strategical blunder *in itself*.)

b) GM Denker says that ...Bc8 is "forced"; in
reality, there are alternative ways of handling the
situation, as any decent computer program will
demonstrate. This tack of suggesting that every
later move was "forced", is just wrongheaded.
Both sides had plenty of options; for instance,
White could have exploited the e6 weakness in
several different ways, not just as in the game.

c) He gives his own moves exclams over and
over, even when they are obvious; this approach
leads to "exclamflation" (an oversupply of exclams
with no counterbalancing question marks). I
expect the idea is to render an artificial "brilliancy"
effect.

d) At move 15, a very poor move is handed an
exclamation mark. What was needed of course
was to defend the King with ...Bf5. It is oh so
obvious that chopping wood on f4 gives White a
free move with which to capture on h7 with check.
GM Denker even gives faulty analysis to support
this exclam, as if "in denial" that here was Black's
big chance to defend his King, and take his trip
to the woodshed.

e) Move 19: White pursues the enemy Queen,
when his King was on the auction block. Tsk,
tsk.

f) Move 20: another double-exclam is awarded,
though White got himself into the fix by not
swinging his Rook into play on move 19 . Black
is said to be "completely tied up and helpless
against the many threats of mate". Well, in that
case I would expect an efficient execution, not
this stumbling about. I know this is from when
Mr. Denker was a wee lad, but fumbling about,
when combined with severe exclamflation, makes
for artificially inflated opportunities to spread the
disease until it can potentially become a pandemic.
(The simple 19.Rf1, Black resigns, could perhaps
have saved hundreds of innocent lives.)


g) The imbecile IM Innes has transcribed the
moves incorrectly, as I just now discovered when
looking at GM Denker's own annotations. Above,
where the move 21. ...Bh6 is given, the actual
move played was ...Bh3. This explains a lot;
there was no missed mate-in-one, because a
key square was not in fact occupied by Black's
KB.


h) But the game annotations as given in the article by
Larry Parr are also incorrect: below the diagram for the
position after 22. ...Kg5, GM Denker comments:

-------------
23. ...Bxf1
24. Qf5+ Ke7
25.Qf7 mate.
------------

Obviously, the King cannot move through check, so
the winning line should read: 24. Qf5+ Kh6, 25. Qh5++.

This is the famous R-f1 move which has no doubt
appeared in the pages of Chess Life numerous times;
the Rook is immune from capture because of this two-
move mate.


i) But the single most alarming thing about the game's
annotations is the ridiculous claim that AD had never
even seen the Dutch Defense before this game. Let
the math majors figure the odds, but I'll take the side of
the bet which says this is either a baldfaced lie, or just
a titanic lapse of memory! A billion to one? A zillion to
one? Go, go, calculus nerds... .

For the record, although it has been *many years*, I do
recall having seen the famous R-f1 diagram before, but
had no clue who was playing either side. What are the
odds?


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Old September 26th 07, 11:55 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On Sep 25, 1:18 pm, Sanny wrote:

Denker,A - Feit,H
New York Interscholastic Championship, 1929


1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 e6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.0-0 Nf6 6.c4 Be7 7.Nc3 d6 8.d5 e5
9.Ng5
Bc8 10.e4 0-0 11.f4 exf4 12.Bxf4 fxe4 13.Ncxe4 Nxe4 [diagram] 14.Bxe4
Bxg5
15.Qh5 Rxf4 16.Qxh7+ Kf7 17.Bg6+ Kf6 18.Rxf4+ Bxf4 19.Qh4+ Bg5 20.Qe4
Be3+
21.Kh1 Bh6 22.Rf1+ Kg5 23.Bh7 1-0


I loved reading whole story. And also the game was very nice. Imagine,
he played such a good game in 1929. When there was no computer to
practise.


In the game to which you refer, the young Mr. Denker
missed an obvious *mate-in-one* by 23.h4++.


Good catch, but actually the errata was caught beforehand, and will be
changed to the correct Black's 21st move which is 21. ...
Bh3. Hence the diagram also needs correction from 21 forward. //PI


To me,
this brings into serious question the level of understanding
behind the grandmasterly-looking opening moves; in fact,
I wonder if this Queen's Indian style setup was a common
way of playing the Dutch Defense way back then. His
opponent, a young Mr. Feit, also missed several better
defensive tries. The move 7. ...d6 is where Black went
astray; that move can be and is played in what we now
call the Lenningrad Dutch -- with no Queenside
fianchetto, of course.

I think it must be the aggressive, attacking style
which pleases the eye here; to me, it looks like White
was pursuing the opponent's Queen (not his King), up
until the final move, and that Black was defending the
wrong monarch, but to no avail.


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Old September 26th 07, 12:02 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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"help bot" wrote in message
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On Sep 25, 5:56 am, "Chess One" wrote:

Note the date above, and also this one:

"in 1995, at age 81, he finished sixth in the U. S. Open."



The official crosstable shows he tied for 6th through 12th,
which is not quite the same as "finishing sixth".


When I raised the same issue about a certain bloke's finish at Nottingham, I
was assured that the official way of recording these things in the US these
days, is to say 6th.

It was a
very good tourney for GM Denker, as he went from USCF
2322 all the way up to 2375! Note that (apart from Alex
Yermolinsky) this event was not exactly packed with
grandmasters; so where the heck were they? Was the
U.S. Closed championship huge that year? In any case,
at 81 years old, he smacked around several masters; this
reminds me of Jack Palance falling to the stage floor and


My daughter aged 16 was crew on a big wooden boat up there on Erie, a lake
boat built to fight the Brits, and a couple of guests showed up, the Gov of
PA, plus a 'star'. Guests had to put on life jackets, and the star couldn't
quite figure his out, so #1 daughter went over and tied it for him, but he
tried to 'help'. "Put your f*** hands down, man!" she said to Jack Palance.
Which he did, quiet as a lamb. She had no idea who he was.

Anyway, 2375 is not too bad at age 81! My gosh! That's not too bad at all.

Phil Innes

doing one-armed pushups at the Academy Awards. (Big
deal; let's see him do just *one* with no arms!)


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Old September 26th 07, 02:37 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Chess One wrote:
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On Sep 25, 1:18 pm, Sanny wrote:

Denker,A - Feit,H
New York Interscholastic Championship, 1929

1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 e6 3.g3 b6 4.Bg2 Bb7 5.0-0 Nf6 6.c4 Be7 7.Nc3 d6 8.d5 e5
9.Ng5
Bc8 10.e4 0-0 11.f4 exf4 12.Bxf4 fxe4 13.Ncxe4 Nxe4 [diagram] 14.Bxe4
Bxg5
15.Qh5 Rxf4 16.Qxh7+ Kf7 17.Bg6+ Kf6 18.Rxf4+ Bxf4 19.Qh4+ Bg5 20.Qe4
Be3+
21.Kh1 Bh6 22.Rf1+ Kg5 23.Bh7 1-0


I loved reading whole story. And also the game was very nice. Imagine,
he played such a good game in 1929. When there was no computer to
practise.


In the game to which you refer, the young Mr. Denker
missed an obvious *mate-in-one* by 23.h4++.


Good catch, but actually the errata was caught beforehand, and will be
changed to the correct Black's 21st move which is 21. ...
Bh3. Hence the diagram also needs correction from 21 forward. //PI


To me,
this brings into serious question the level of understanding
behind the grandmasterly-looking opening moves; in fact,
I wonder if this Queen's Indian style setup was a common
way of playing the Dutch Defense way back then. His
opponent, a young Mr. Feit, also missed several better
defensive tries. The move 7. ...d6 is where Black went
astray; that move can be and is played in what we now
call the Lenningrad Dutch -- with no Queenside
fianchetto, of course.

I think it must be the aggressive, attacking style
which pleases the eye here; to me, it looks like White
was pursuing the opponent's Queen (not his King), up
until the final move, and that Black was defending the
wrong monarch, but to no avail.


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