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From chessdiscussions:
FACTS as I know them so far: 1. No contractor had the authorization to start an investigation using the USCF confidential data. No confidential information was supposed to be used for any other purpose except for the job the contractors were hired for the website. 2. After an unauthorized and illegal investigation was conducted, it was only reported to the ED and the USCF President. 3. The ED and USCF President did not notify the other 6 board members. 4. The other board members found out via leaks and postings on various forums. 5. No confidential information was supposed to be revealed to any third party as in any standard NDA. Here is a part of the USCF official statement: The USCF takes seriously its need to protect the privacy of its members and is actively investigating the charges of violation of its privacy policies and actions of its members. The individuals who may have violated these policies have agreed, as of today, to suspend their duties with the USCF until these issues are resolved. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Point 1: was answered by Motterhead in his report as follows, "In September 2007, while working as a web developer and system administrator for the United States Chess Federation, a number of "Fake Sam Sloan" posts came to my attention that were copies of posts that had been made originally in the USCF Issues forum, but with the wording changed so as to discredit the original poster. It was apparent that in order to copy these posts, the "Fake Sam Sloan" had access to the USCF Issues forum, as this is a forum restricted to USCF members and is not accessible to the public. It seemed to me that it was highly objectionable to use the USCF Issues forum in this manner, and that it was my duty as the Administrator of the forums to stop or deter that type of usage if I could. At the outset, I was aware that there had been speculation that Paul Truong was the "Fake Sam Sloan". Though I had been outspoken in opposition to Paul Truong's candidacy for Executive Board, I did not give this speculation any great credence at the beginning. I wanted to see if I could identify who the Fake Sam Sloan was, using information in the log files and the forums database. Since the IP addresses of Usenet posters are public information, and in the USCF web logs and database I had information as to the IP addresses of USCF members accessing the forums, it seemed likely that I would be able to identify the USCF member account that was being used by the Fake Sam Sloan to mis-appropriate USCF Issues forum posts for his posts on Usenet. If I could develop any definitive conclusions about the identity of the Fake Sam Sloan, I planned to bring that information to the attention of the Executive Director. It did not take very long to establish that the Fake Sam Sloan is indeed Paul Truong, as others have suspected. This report recaps the evidence in support of that conclusion." Point 2: This seems proper to me. Point 3: This may or may not be relevant. It could be that the ED and Prez were making further inquires. Point 4: And? Point 5: Criminal acts are not subject to Non-Disclosure Agreements. If they were, every criminal would require one of his associates and employees. |
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Here's my take..
On Oct 9, 4:48 am, "B. Lafferty" wrote: From chessdiscussions: FACTS as I know them so far: ....Long-winded motion to suppress... Point 5: Criminal acts are not subject to Non-Disclosure Agreements. If they were, every criminal would require one of his associates and employees. ....Motion denied. |
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wrote in message ps.com... Here's my take.. On Oct 9, 4:48 am, "B. Lafferty" wrote: From chessdiscussions: FACTS as I know them so far: ...Long-winded motion to suppress... Point 5: Criminal acts are not subject to Non-Disclosure Agreements. If they were, every criminal would require one of his associates and employees. ...Motion denied. Point of law. 4th Amendment suppression of evidence only applies to evidence illegally obtained by the government and it's agents--not private individuals. If the evidence is relevant, it's admissible. I don't see how you could keep such evidence out in a civil trial either. If Trolgar thinks this can be kept out of the courts, they're living in fantasy land. |
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On Oct 9, 11:16 am, "B. Lafferty" wrote:
wrote in message ps.com... Here's my take.. On Oct 9, 4:48 am, "B. Lafferty" wrote: From chessdiscussions: FACTS as I know them so far: ...Long-winded motion to suppress... Point 5: Criminal acts are not subject to Non-Disclosure Agreements. If they were, every criminal would require one of his associates and employees. ...Motion denied. Point of law. 4th Amendment suppression of evidence only applies to evidence illegally obtained by the government and it's agents--not private individuals. If the evidence is relevant, it's admissible. I don't see how you could keep such evidence out in a civil trial either. If Trolgar thinks this can be kept out of the courts, they're living in fantasy land. If individauals violated the NDA agreement, they may have opened themselves up to civil liability. The person who said vile things posing as Mr. Lafferty acted dishonorably; however, those who may have uncovered this imposture are not honorable if they violated their NDA. Two wrongs don't make a right. This is not how a healthy nonprofit functions.... |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 9, 11:16 am, "B. Lafferty" wrote: wrote in message ps.com... Here's my take.. On Oct 9, 4:48 am, "B. Lafferty" wrote: From chessdiscussions: FACTS as I know them so far: ...Long-winded motion to suppress... Point 5: Criminal acts are not subject to Non-Disclosure Agreements. If they were, every criminal would require one of his associates and employees. ...Motion denied. Point of law. 4th Amendment suppression of evidence only applies to evidence illegally obtained by the government and it's agents--not private individuals. If the evidence is relevant, it's admissible. I don't see how you could keep such evidence out in a civil trial either. If Trolgar thinks this can be kept out of the courts, they're living in fantasy land. If individauals violated the NDA agreement, they may have opened themselves up to civil liability. Perhaps. It depends on the totality of the circumstances. The person who said vile things posing as Mr. Lafferty acted dishonorably; however, those who may have uncovered this imposture are not honorable if they violated their NDA. Two wrongs don't make a right. Two wrongs don't make a right sounds impressive when Mommy gives the lecture to the kid. But, the law, even in an adversarial system, is more concerned with discovering the truth of the matter than many mommies. This is why bad boys don't like subpoenas, depositions and trials. This is not how a healthy nonprofit functions.... |
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If the allegations against Truong are true, let him suffer in court.
But you countenance the invasion of USCF members' privacy. And you seek equity while posting under the title "Polgar blows." Grow up, little man. |
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wrote in message oups.com... If the allegations against Truong are true, let him suffer in court. I can't disagree. But you countenance the invasion of USCF members' privacy. Your words, not mine. And you seek equity while posting under the title "Polgar blows." Learn how to use your newsreader. I began this thread with the subject line, "Polgar Blows Smoke." Grow up, little man. Good advice--hopefully you'll follow it, after you figure out how your newsreader works. :-) |
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On Oct 9, 3:36 pm, "B. Lafferty" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... If the allegations against Truong are true, let him suffer in court. I can't disagree. But you countenance the invasion of USCF members' privacy. Your words, not mine. And you seek equity while posting under the title "Polgar blows." Learn how to use your newsreader. I began this thread with the subject line, "Polgar Blows Smoke." Grow up, little man. Good advice--hopefully you'll follow it, after you figure out how your newsreader works. :-) I believe it would be fun to see the if "the information" also might be damning to others who bore false witness in the USCF forum by using identities not their own. I have heard it is so. By coddling Sloan on this witch-hunt you it may be as if you have allowed him to pass gas in your diver's helmet. |
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wrote in message oups.com... ***original post below*** Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com! border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.gig anews.com! nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2 .gnilink.net! gnilink.net!trndny04.POSTED!d8cce190!not-for-mail From: "B. Lafferty" Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics References: 58IOi.4942$9r2.3987@trndny04 om Subject: Polgar Blows Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-ID: 7PNOi.5047$9r2.2952@trndny04 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:16:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.17.145.113 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: trndny04 1191946563 70.17.145.113 (Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:16:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:16:03 EDT X-Original-Bytes: 1764 wrote in message ps.com... Here's my take.. On Oct 9, 4:48 am, "B. Lafferty" wrote: From chessdiscussions: FACTS as I know them so far: ...Long-winded motion to suppress... Point 5: Criminal acts are not subject to Non-Disclosure Agreements. If they were, every criminal would require one of his associates and employees. ...Motion denied. Point of law. 4th Amendment suppression of evidence only applies to evidence illegally obtained by the government and it's agents--not private individuals. If the evidence is relevant, it's admissible. I don't see how you could keep such evidence out in a civil trial either. If Trolgar thinks this can be kept out of the courts, they're living in fantasy land. Wrong. Like I said, learn to use your newsreader. My Outlook newsreader carries the same subject line. Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.d ca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wns14feed!worldn et.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamk iller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trndny04.POSTED!d8c ce190!not-for-mail From: "B. Lafferty" Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics Subject: Polgar Blows Smoke Lines: 71 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-ID: 58IOi.4942$9r2.3987@trndny04 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:48:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.17.145.113 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: trndny04 1191923329 70.17.145.113 (Tue, 09 Oct 2007 05:48:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 05:48:49 EDT [snip] |
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