MOTHER: Tommy, somebody's been spraying graffiti all over the
neighborhood, and your sister Susie found these cans of spray paint in
your dresser drawer. What do you have to say for yourself?

TOMMY: Susie had no business snooping in my room. Why are you
listening to a snoop? And she's already told a whole bunch of people
about it! Why do you believe a gossip? Why don't you punish her? And
remember, I've been taking the garbage out and mowing the lawn every
week, and I made the honor role.

MOTHER: Yes, Tommy, we're going to talk to her about that. And we
appreciate all your good work. But in the meantime, let's take these
cans out and see if they match the color of the dirty words written on
Mister Brown's fence.

TOMMY: I don't want to look at that fence. Susie's got a grudge
against me, she's always hated me. Have you asked her why? Why don't
you ask her why? Why hasn't she been punished?

MOTHER: Let's just go out and take a look at Mister Brown's fence.

TOMMY: I don't want to look at that fence. Anybody could have spray
painted that fence. Anybody can buy spray paint. And why haven't you
punished Susie for snooping in my room? Why are we talking about that
fence when Susie snooped in my room? Maybe Susie put the spray paint
in my drawer. How do you know she didn't? Can you prove she didn't?
And remember when Susie tattled on that kid, Billy, in her 3rd grade
class. She's a tattle-tale. Why are you listening to her anyway?
You're not fair.

MOTHER: Later, Tommy. To be fair, we'll have Mister Jones from the
hardware store check the paint before we punish you, just to make sure
I didn't make a mistake.

[Mother goes out and inspects fence, they go back to Tommy's room ]

MOTHER: Why, Tommy, there are seven colors in the graffiti, and they
are the same seven colors on the cans we found in your drawer. And
the handwriting looks like that stuff you wrote last year when you
were practicing writing left-handed.

TOMMY: It doesn't matter. Susie shouldn't have been snooping in my
room. It shouldn't count. Why do you believe a tattle-tale anyway?
And she told a whole bunch of people before she told you. How can you
believe her when she gossiped? My diary was in that drawer. She
might have read my diary.

MOTHER: Diary? Let's have a look at that diary, buster. Why,
Tommy, the exact words written on Mister Brown's fence are in your
diary on page 7!

TOMMY: Susie probably did it. She forged in my diary. You should
spank her. Someone who'll snitch will do ANYTHING. And she was
snooping. That proves she did it. Or maybe the milkman did it. Why
would I write stuff like that? I'm an honor student. Ask that nice
man, Mr. Innes. He's really smart, almost a chess IM. He'll help
find out who really did it. I didn't do it. I'll devote my life to
finding out who did it. Jeez. Now I know how O.J. must feel.

On Oct 11, 2:13 pm, Mike Murray wrote:
MOTHER: Tommy, somebody's been spraying graffiti all over the
neighborhood, and your sister Susie found these cans of spray paint in
your dresser drawer. What do you have to say for yourself?

TOMMY: Susie had no business snooping in my room. Why are you
listening to a snoop? And she's already told a whole bunch of people
about it! Why do you believe a gossip? Why don't you punish her? And
remember, I've been taking the garbage out and mowing the lawn every
week, and I made the honor role.

MOTHER: Yes, Tommy, we're going to talk to her about that. And we
appreciate all your good work. But in the meantime, let's take these
cans out and see if they match the color of the dirty words written on
Mister Brown's fence.

TOMMY: I don't want to look at that fence. Susie's got a grudge
against me, she's always hated me. Have you asked her why? Why don't
you ask her why? Why hasn't she been punished?

MOTHER: Let's just go out and take a look at Mister Brown's fence.

TOMMY: I don't want to look at that fence. Anybody could have spray
painted that fence. Anybody can buy spray paint. And why haven't you
punished Susie for snooping in my room? Why are we talking about that
fence when Susie snooped in my room? Maybe Susie put the spray paint
in my drawer. How do you know she didn't? Can you prove she didn't?
And remember when Susie tattled on that kid, Billy, in her 3rd grade
class. She's a tattle-tale. Why are you listening to her anyway?
You're not fair.

MOTHER: Later, Tommy. To be fair, we'll have Mister Jones from the
hardware store check the paint before we punish you, just to make sure
I didn't make a mistake.

[Mother goes out and inspects fence, they go back to Tommy's room ]

MOTHER: Why, Tommy, there are seven colors in the graffiti, and they
are the same seven colors on the cans we found in your drawer. And
the handwriting looks like that stuff you wrote last year when you
were practicing writing left-handed.

TOMMY: It doesn't matter. Susie shouldn't have been snooping in my
room. It shouldn't count. Why do you believe a tattle-tale anyway?
And she told a whole bunch of people before she told you. How can you
believe her when she gossiped? My diary was in that drawer. She
might have read my diary.

MOTHER: Diary? Let's have a look at that diary, buster. Why,
Tommy, the exact words written on Mister Brown's fence are in your
diary on page 7!

TOMMY: Susie probably did it. She forged in my diary. You should
spank her. Someone who'll snitch will do ANYTHING. And she was
snooping. That proves she did it. Or maybe the milkman did it. Why
would I write stuff like that? I'm an honor student. Ask that nice
man, Mr. Innes. He's really smart, almost a chess IM. He'll help
find out who really did it. I didn't do it. I'll devote my life to
finding out who did it. Jeez. Now I know how O.J. must feel.

nice attempt Mike but a very poor analogy.

NOT BEFORE THEN

When does Paul Truong have a case to answer in
public or, failing that, when ought he be asked to
resign from the Executive Board?

If someone can provide a reasonable level of
evidence that his fingers were on the offending
keyboard(s), then the time has arrived for him to
answer the case being made against him. If his answer
is inadequate, then he should be asked to resign.

Not before then.

Yours, Larry Parr


Rob wrote:
On Oct 11, 2:13 pm, Mike Murray wrote:
MOTHER: Tommy, somebody's been spraying graffiti all over the
neighborhood, and your sister Susie found these cans of spray paint in
your dresser drawer. What do you have to say for yourself?

TOMMY: Susie had no business snooping in my room. Why are you
listening to a snoop? And she's already told a whole bunch of people
about it! Why do you believe a gossip? Why don't you punish her? And
remember, I've been taking the garbage out and mowing the lawn every
week, and I made the honor role.

MOTHER: Yes, Tommy, we're going to talk to her about that. And we
appreciate all your good work. But in the meantime, let's take these
cans out and see if they match the color of the dirty words written on
Mister Brown's fence.

TOMMY: I don't want to look at that fence. Susie's got a grudge
against me, she's always hated me. Have you asked her why? Why don't
you ask her why? Why hasn't she been punished?

MOTHER: Let's just go out and take a look at Mister Brown's fence.

TOMMY: I don't want to look at that fence. Anybody could have spray
painted that fence. Anybody can buy spray paint. And why haven't you
punished Susie for snooping in my room? Why are we talking about that
fence when Susie snooped in my room? Maybe Susie put the spray paint
in my drawer. How do you know she didn't? Can you prove she didn't?
And remember when Susie tattled on that kid, Billy, in her 3rd grade
class. She's a tattle-tale. Why are you listening to her anyway?
You're not fair.

MOTHER: Later, Tommy. To be fair, we'll have Mister Jones from the
hardware store check the paint before we punish you, just to make sure
I didn't make a mistake.

[Mother goes out and inspects fence, they go back to Tommy's room ]

MOTHER: Why, Tommy, there are seven colors in the graffiti, and they
are the same seven colors on the cans we found in your drawer. And
the handwriting looks like that stuff you wrote last year when you
were practicing writing left-handed.

TOMMY: It doesn't matter. Susie shouldn't have been snooping in my
room. It shouldn't count. Why do you believe a tattle-tale anyway?
And she told a whole bunch of people before she told you. How can you
believe her when she gossiped? My diary was in that drawer. She
might have read my diary.

MOTHER: Diary? Let's have a look at that diary, buster. Why,
Tommy, the exact words written on Mister Brown's fence are in your
diary on page 7!

TOMMY: Susie probably did it. She forged in my diary. You should
spank her. Someone who'll snitch will do ANYTHING. And she was
snooping. That proves she did it. Or maybe the milkman did it. Why
would I write stuff like that? I'm an honor student. Ask that nice
man, Mr. Innes. He's really smart, almost a chess IM. He'll help
find out who really did it. I didn't do it. I'll devote my life to
finding out who did it. Jeez. Now I know how O.J. must feel.

nice attempt Mike but a very poor analogy.

On Oct 11, 10:53 pm, " wrote:
NOT BEFORE THEN

When does Paul Truong have a case to answer in
public or, failing that, when ought he be asked to
resign from the Executive Board?

If someone can provide a reasonable level of
evidence that his fingers were on the offending
keyboard(s), then the time has arrived for him to
answer the case being made against him. If his answer
is inadequate, then he should be asked to resign.

Not before then.

Yours, Larry Parr

Rob wrote:
On Oct 11, 2:13 pm, Mike Murray wrote:
MOTHER: Tommy, somebody's been spraying graffiti all over the
neighborhood, and your sister Susie found these cans of spray paint in
your dresser drawer. What do you have to say for yourself?

TOMMY: Susie had no business snooping in my room. Why are you
listening to a snoop? And she's already told a whole bunch of people
about it! Why do you believe a gossip? Why don't you punish her? And
remember, I've been taking the garbage out and mowing the lawn every
week, and I made the honor role.

MOTHER: Yes, Tommy, we're going to talk to her about that. And we
appreciate all your good work. But in the meantime, let's take these
cans out and see if they match the color of the dirty words written on
Mister Brown's fence.

TOMMY: I don't want to look at that fence. Susie's got a grudge
against me, she's always hated me. Have you asked her why? Why don't
you ask her why? Why hasn't she been punished?

MOTHER: Let's just go out and take a look at Mister Brown's fence.

TOMMY: I don't want to look at that fence. Anybody could have spray
painted that fence. Anybody can buy spray paint. And why haven't you
punished Susie for snooping in my room? Why are we talking about that
fence when Susie snooped in my room? Maybe Susie put the spray paint
in my drawer. How do you know she didn't? Can you prove she didn't?
And remember when Susie tattled on that kid, Billy, in her 3rd grade
class. She's a tattle-tale. Why are you listening to her anyway?
You're not fair.

MOTHER: Later, Tommy. To be fair, we'll have Mister Jones from the
hardware store check the paint before we punish you, just to make sure
I didn't make a mistake.

[Mother goes out and inspects fence, they go back to Tommy's room ]

MOTHER: Why, Tommy, there are seven colors in the graffiti, and they
are the same seven colors on the cans we found in your drawer. And
the handwriting looks like that stuff you wrote last year when you
were practicing writing left-handed.

TOMMY: It doesn't matter. Susie shouldn't have been snooping in my
room. It shouldn't count. Why do you believe a tattle-tale anyway?
And she told a whole bunch of people before she told you. How can you
believe her when she gossiped? My diary was in that drawer. She
might have read my diary.

MOTHER: Diary? Let's have a look at that diary, buster. Why,
Tommy, the exact words written on Mister Brown's fence are in your
diary on page 7!

TOMMY: Susie probably did it. She forged in my diary. You should
spank her. Someone who'll snitch will do ANYTHING. And she was
snooping. That proves she did it. Or maybe the milkman did it. Why
would I write stuff like that? I'm an honor student. Ask that nice
man, Mr. Innes. He's really smart, almost a chess IM. He'll help
find out who really did it. I didn't do it. I'll devote my life to
finding out who did it. Jeez. Now I know how O.J. must feel.

nice attempt Mike but a very poor analogy.

Well Said Larry

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:53:24 -0700, "
wrote:

NOT BEFORE THEN

When does Paul Truong have a case to answer in
public or, failing that, when ought he be asked to
resign from the Executive Board?

If someone can provide a reasonable level of
evidence that his fingers were on the offending
keyboard(s), then the time has arrived for him to
answer the case being made against him. If his answer
is inadequate, then he should be asked to resign.

Not before then.

Yours, Larry Parr

For the record, Larry, my little vignette was designed primarily to
dramatize the rationalization and weaseling of those who seek to
ignore, discredit or discount Mottershead's information BEFORE it has
been evaluated by one or more independent credentialed experts. Our
Experts should then forward their findings to those qualified to weigh
the electronic evidence against other pertinent factors, i.e., to
those qualified to judge. Acts II and III have yet to be written.

Appropriate punishment if judged culpable? Not addressed. Maybe
exposure is enough. Maybe a remonstration to go and sin no more.
Maybe more. Not my department.

On Oct 12, 7:14 am, Mike Murray wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:53:24 -0700, "

wrote:
NOT BEFORE THEN
When does Paul Truong have a case to answer in
public or, failing that, when ought he be asked to
resign from the Executive Board?
If someone can provide a reasonable level of
evidence that his fingers were on the offending
keyboard(s), then the time has arrived for him to
answer the case being made against him. If his answer
is inadequate, then he should be asked to resign.
Not before then.
Yours, Larry Parr

For the record, Larry, my little vignette was designed primarily to
dramatize the rationalization and weaseling of those who seek to
ignore, discredit or discount Mottershead's information BEFORE it has
been evaluated by one or more independent credentialed experts. Our
Experts should then forward their findings to those qualified to weigh
the electronic evidence against other pertinent factors, i.e., to
those qualified to judge. Acts II and III have yet to be written.

Appropriate punishment if judged culpable? Not addressed. Maybe
exposure is enough. Maybe a remonstration to go and sin no more.
Maybe more. Not my department.

Will you spend as much time vindicating the accused when he is
vindicated as you do now to condemn him?

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:20:58 -0700, Rob wrote:


Appropriate punishment if judged culpable? Not addressed. Maybe
exposure is enough. Maybe a remonstration to go and sin no more.
Maybe more. Not my department.

Will you spend as much time vindicating the accused when he is
vindicated as you do now to condemn him?

You don't quite get it. I'm condemning spurious arguments on the part
of those who oppose letting Motterhead's accusations play out. If,
upon examination, the person Motterhead suspects is cleared of
suspicion, what "vindication" would be left for me -- my opinion would
be irrelevant, and vindication would not imply anything meritorious --
just that he didn't do it.