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The below post was posted on the USCF forum today. About an hour
later, it vanished without a trace and without any explanation. It vanished together numerous posts which had referenced it. All without a trace or explanation. Decide for yourselves whether something in it deserved censorship. To me, censorship is a statement that the censor thinks he knows what is better for other people than they know for themselves. It is arrogant and belittling. It stinks of the belief, "Oh, if only the world were as wonderful as I am." Mr. Sawmiller, I have news for you. You ain't as wonderful as you think. And you have no monopoly on truth, justice, or the American way. The following was posted under the thread, Endgame ... Since this thread uses a chess metaphor, let's take it one step further. As chess players, we not only have to consider our next move, but we must also consider how the other side will counter our moves. With that in mind, imagine the following, hypothetical scenario between an EB member (your choice) and Paul Truong: EB member: Paul, this matter is getting too expensive and too ugly. Now, I don't know what the result of the investigation will be. The only one who does know for certain is you. If you did not do it, then no one can fault you for fighting all the way. On the other hand, if you did do it, then after the report comes out you will either have to resign or we will have to bring court action under Illinois law to remove you. In either event, after your removal we will have to publish in Chess Life the reasons for your departure. And once we publish that, even with all your PR skills, you won't be able to sell pencils in the street. But, if you resign now, it will save everyone money and grief. We will put in Chess Life only a blurb that you resigned for health reasons or for whatever other reason you want us to put in. The matter will be dropped. The only people who will know the truth -- or think they know the truth -- are those on the forums and, from the election, we know that they are like mosquitoes, annoying but completely harmless. What do you say? Paul: I'm not going to say one way or the other what the result of the investigation will be. I will say just this - you're bluffing. You're bluffing for two reasons. First, Susan and I are the greatest thing for American chess since Bobby Fischer. You don't dare do anything which will interfere with our promotion of chess. Second, whatever happens you never did intend to tell anyone the results of the investigation. Think about it. Why did you hire Kronenberger Burgoyne, LLP? Not to defend the lawsuit. They are a San Francisco firm. They are not going to defend the USCF in a New York action. In fact, I doubt if any of them are even admitted to practice law in New York. You hired the law firm so that it could arrange with some expert to examine the Mottershead report. You didn't want to retain the expert yourself because any expert report sent directly to you would not be privileged. Somehow, one of those mad dogs on the forum would be able to get hold of it. But they are unlikely to get any report if it is protected by the attorney-client privilege. You have already spent thousand of dollars on the attorneys just so that you could keep the expert's report secret. Secrecy has always been the mother's milk of the EB. So, no matter what happens, you're not going to announce the truth to the world anyway, and don't try to bluff me otherwise. .. For 5 points, what is the best next move? Stephen Jones |
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On Oct 25, 4:19 pm, wrote:
The below post was posted on the USCF forum today. About an hour later, it vanished without a trace and without any explanation. It vanished together numerous posts which had referenced it. All without a trace or explanation. Decide for yourselves whether something in it deserved censorship. To me, censorship is a statement that the censor thinks he knows what is better for other people than they know for themselves. It is arrogant and belittling. It stinks of the belief, "Oh, if only the world were as wonderful as I am." Mr. Sawmiller, I have news for you. You ain't as wonderful as you think. And you have no monopoly on truth, justice, or the American way. The following was posted under the thread, Endgame ... Since this thread uses a chess metaphor, let's take it one step further. As chess players, we not only have to consider our next move, but we must also consider how the other side will counter our moves. With that in mind, imagine the following, hypothetical scenario between an EB member (your choice) and Paul Truong: EB member: Paul, this matter is getting too expensive and too ugly. Now, I don't know what the result of the investigation will be. The only one who does know for certain is you. If you did not do it, then no one can fault you for fighting all the way. On the other hand, if you did do it, then after the report comes out you will either have to resign or we will have to bring court action under Illinois law to remove you. In either event, after your removal we will have to publish in Chess Life the reasons for your departure. And once we publish that, even with all your PR skills, you won't be able to sell pencils in the street. But, if you resign now, it will save everyone money and grief. We will put in Chess Life only a blurb that you resigned for health reasons or for whatever other reason you want us to put in. The matter will be dropped. The only people who will know the truth -- or think they know the truth -- are those on the forums and, from the election, we know that they are like mosquitoes, annoying but completely harmless. What do you say? Paul: I'm not going to say one way or the other what the result of the investigation will be. I will say just this - you're bluffing. You're bluffing for two reasons. First, Susan and I are the greatest thing for American chess since Bobby Fischer. You don't dare do anything which will interfere with our promotion of chess. Second, whatever happens you never did intend to tell anyone the results of the investigation. Think about it. Why did you hire Kronenberger Burgoyne, LLP? Not to defend the lawsuit. They are a San Francisco firm. They are not going to defend the USCF in a New York action. In fact, I doubt if any of them are even admitted to practice law in New York. You hired the law firm so that it could arrange with some expert to examine the Mottershead report. You didn't want to retain the expert yourself because any expert report sent directly to you would not be privileged. Somehow, one of those mad dogs on the forum would be able to get hold of it. But they are unlikely to get any report if it is protected by the attorney-client privilege. You have already spent thousand of dollars on the attorneys just so that you could keep the expert's report secret. Secrecy has always been the mother's milk of the EB. So, no matter what happens, you're not going to announce the truth to the world anyway, and don't try to bluff me otherwise. . For 5 points, what is the best next move? Stephen Jones Steven Jones is a full of ****. The matter is the subject of a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, the matter will NOT BE DROPPED. Mr. Jones is making a legal threat, and he needs to shut his damn mouth. He does not speak for me, and I will make Paul pay for his death threats against me! Is that clear? This was deleted becasue it is a legal threat. I recommend you quit reading the USCF forums. Marcus Roberts |
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On Oct 25, 4:19 pm, wrote:
The below post was posted on the USCF forum today. About an hour later, it vanished without a trace and without any explanation. It vanished together numerous posts which had referenced it. All without a trace or explanation. Decide for yourselves whether something in it deserved censorship. To me, censorship is a statement that the censor thinks he knows what is better for other people than they know for themselves. It is arrogant and belittling. It stinks of the belief, "Oh, if only the world were as wonderful as I am." Mr. Sawmiller, I have news for you. You ain't as wonderful as you think. And you have no monopoly on truth, justice, or the American way. The following was posted under the thread, Endgame ... Since this thread uses a chess metaphor, let's take it one step further. As chess players, we not only have to consider our next move, but we must also consider how the other side will counter our moves. With that in mind, imagine the following, hypothetical scenario between an EB member (your choice) and Paul Truong: EB member: Paul, this matter is getting too expensive and too ugly. Now, I don't know what the result of the investigation will be. The only one who does know for certain is you. If you did not do it, then no one can fault you for fighting all the way. On the other hand, if you did do it, then after the report comes out you will either have to resign or we will have to bring court action under Illinois law to remove you. In either event, after your removal we will have to publish in Chess Life the reasons for your departure. And once we publish that, even with all your PR skills, you won't be able to sell pencils in the street. But, if you resign now, it will save everyone money and grief. We will put in Chess Life only a blurb that you resigned for health reasons or for whatever other reason you want us to put in. The matter will be dropped. The only people who will know the truth -- or think they know the truth -- are those on the forums and, from the election, we know that they are like mosquitoes, annoying but completely harmless. What do you say? Paul: I'm not going to say one way or the other what the result of the investigation will be. I will say just this - you're bluffing. You're bluffing for two reasons. First, Susan and I are the greatest thing for American chess since Bobby Fischer. You don't dare do anything which will interfere with our promotion of chess. Second, whatever happens you never did intend to tell anyone the results of the investigation. Think about it. Why did you hire Kronenberger Burgoyne, LLP? Not to defend the lawsuit. They are a San Francisco firm. They are not going to defend the USCF in a New York action. In fact, I doubt if any of them are even admitted to practice law in New York. You hired the law firm so that it could arrange with some expert to examine the Mottershead report. You didn't want to retain the expert yourself because any expert report sent directly to you would not be privileged. Somehow, one of those mad dogs on the forum would be able to get hold of it. But they are unlikely to get any report if it is protected by the attorney-client privilege. You have already spent thousand of dollars on the attorneys just so that you could keep the expert's report secret. Secrecy has always been the mother's milk of the EB. So, no matter what happens, you're not going to announce the truth to the world anyway, and don't try to bluff me otherwise. . For 5 points, what is the best next move? Stephen Jones Paul has no reason to resign. He made death threats, and he knows that if he can't find a way to worm out, he is (possibly) stuck with a felony charge. Paul Troung isn't bluffing, he is fighting for his wife, job, and position in chess. Now, he might get a misdemanor out of this, but it will require a GULITY PLEA! Chess is the last thing on Paul's mind..... Paul is trying to save his ass. He did more than interfere with an election. Read the e-mail I just sent to Singapore. Do you think Ilyumzhinov will allow himself to be drawn into death threats? Paul can NEVER return to Russia... This is criminal. Judge Lafferty nailed Paul when he got him to say "I was framed." Marcus Roberts |
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