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I have never understood why Larry Evans cannot speak for himself in this
forum. How do we know Mr Parr has the right to speak for him? -- Ian Burton (Please reply to the Newsgroup) wrote in message ups.com... KINGSTON'S REVIVES HIS SMEAR CAMPAIGN "I didn't want to spend three months of my life watching Soviets throw games to each other." -- GM Reuben Fine explaining to Larry Evans why he declined his invitation to the 1948 World Championship held in Holland and the USSR. It's well known by anyone who followed these threads that Edward Winter and his disciple Taylor Kingston are sworn enemies of GM Larry Evans. To ignore questions about whether he ever used bogus screen names to praise his own arguments or his offer to shovel dirt about political opponents to Rev. Walker, NMnot Kingston has seized upon the phrase that "most scholars" agree with GM Evans' theory that Keres was forced to throw games to Botvinnik in the 1948 World Championship. If Mr. Kingston wishes to dredge up this topic again and play the numbers game, let him cite the scholars who disagree with GM Evans. Now, then, to scholars agreeing with GM Evans. First, we dismiss Edward Winter as a scholar of chess history, as opposed to an antiquarian (for the distinction, consult Herbert Butterfield's "Man on His Past") if by scholar one means a person who has written histories or memoirs about the game. Winter has done neither. He has produced a book of annotated documents on Capablanca and compendia of Q&A plus some essays that were not very good. The man writes in turgid, mannered Victorianese -- an easy style to emulate. Scholars, if one may use the word in connection with chess, who have supported the Evans position include GM Ray Keene, whose Illustrated History of Chess is more ambitious on the subject than anything done by Winter. My recollection is that Tony Saidy also supported Evans' position, and his work in terms of understanding and style is in the major leagues when compared with a Winter. The book on the 1948 World Championship by arbiter Harry Golombek also strongly implies that Keres threw games. This writer, who has attempted history and won several awards such as the 1996 Book of the Year with Arnold Denker, has no doubt that GM Evans is correct. Charges about the fix have been around ever since 1948 but 5-time U.S. Champion Evans was the first to deconstruct all Keres-Botvinnik games (without help from computers in 1996) documenting suspicious moves. Indeed, NMnot Taylor Kingston, were he a scholar of chess history, could be included as one who ended up agreeing with GM Evans ("the Commies did it") though it took the slowish lad a mite long to come around. I have not clicked as yet the Winter reference provided by NMnot Kingston, but if it is the scurrilous and dishonest article attacking GM Evans in 2001, then perhaps it's time to repost several of my long essays refuting that article where I noted how Winter doctored "evidence." The technique was interesting, and I exposed it. WE NOTE THAT NMNOT KINGSTON still has not answered whether he posted under other names in PRAISE OF HIMSELF. He claimed that practice, by the way, as an example of his having "standards." Yes, really he did. NAILING ANOTHER KINGSTON LIE In a reply to Kingston's "confidential" letter, playwright Richard Laurie noted: "Finally, I am troubled by your bald assertion that you are not aware of the battle between Evans and Winter. I am troubled because I have known for months that Larry Evans contacted you in preparing his rebuttal to Mr.Winter's remarks as printed in Chess Life, October 2001. Further, it is my understanding and has been for months, that you told Evans you sided with Winter on the whole. Please clear up this seeming contradiction." -- Richard Laurie This topic was rehashed here long ago, as demonstrated by my posting of 2/18/02. Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics From: (Parrthenon) Date: 18 Feb 2002 16:40:20 GMT Local: Mon, Feb 18 2002 8:40 am Subject: Keres-Botvinnik 1948 KERES-BOTVINNIK TWO SMOKING GUNS By Larry Parr Evans concludes: "The truth about Botvinnik and Keres may never be known, but until a smoking gun is found in KGB files, I firmly believe the games themselves contain the best evidence of a fix." -- Quoted by Larry Tapper Not to grant provisional assent to the hypothesis of coercion on Keres seems willfully obtuse. Conclusion: the Commies did it." -- Taylor Kingston CASE CLOSED!? While in London for the Kasparov-Kramnik title match in 2000, GM Evans told me that he asked GM Yuri Averbach, who lived through the Soviet era, if he was going to shed any new light on the Keres-Botvinnik controversy in his memoirs. Averbach said he had nothing new to offer. In his Further Review of the Evidence at ChessCafe, Mr. Kingston mentioned two smoking guns (also cited by GM Evans in Chess Life) that erased his lingering doubts about whether Keres was coerced. Here are a few pertinent excerpts: 1. Briton Ken Whyld, co-author of The Oxford Companion to Chess, is another highly respected chess historian. His contribution to this discussion is best expressed in his own words: "Keres told me in private, when he was my guest in Nottingham, that he was not ordered to lose those games to Botvinnik, and was not playing to lose. But he had been given a broader instruction that if Botvinnik failed to become World Champion, it must not be the fault of Keres." This constitutes, I believe, an important corroboration of Cafferty's thesis, perhaps even a long-sought "smoking gun." The Krabbé Diary was its first publication. That Whyld would keep it secret for nearly 38 years puzzled me. In another e-mail dated 11 August 2001 he clarified, and hedged somewhat: "I never regarded it as something to repeat in his lifetime, although he was probably secure enough in his later years. Later I thought it not worth repeating. Firstly there is only my word for it, and secondly he might not have been telling the truth." Mr. Whyld is becomingly modest, and a skeptic might focus on the doubt of that last sentence, but I am inclined to take the story at face value. 2. A few months before Whyld's revelation, another relevant item appeared on Krabbé's site. Item #42, posted 10 December 1999, describes an interview with Botvinnik, by Dutch journalist Max Pam with émigré GM Genna Sosonko translating. Pam apparently did not realize the significance of what he had, for he did not publicize it widely to the chess world. Instead, the interview appeared only in the Dutch magazine Vrij Nederland (20 August 1991), a general-interest weekly not devoted to chess. It attracted little attention until Krabbé translated a portion into English and put it on his site over 8 years later. In the key passage, Botvinnik was asked if he had ever known of collusion between Soviet players. His reply: "I have experienced myself that orders were given. In 1948 I played with Keres, Smyslov, Reshevsky and Euwe for the world title. After the first half of the tournament, which took place in the Netherlands, it was clear that I was going to be world champion." (Note: strictly speaking, Holland was venue for the first 2/5 of the tournament, not "the first half." After two laps, eight rounds, when the contestants had played each other twice, the score stood Botvinnik 6, Reshevsky 4˝, Keres and Smyslov 4, Euwe 1˝.) "During the second half in Moscow something unpleasant happened. At a very high level, it was proposed that the other Soviet players [i.e. Keres and Smyslov] would lose to me on purpose, in order to make sure there was going to be a Soviet World Champion. It was Stalin personally who proposed this." (emphasis added) Amazing! For the first time, Botvinnik publicly states the existence of a conspiracy, with orders from the very top, none other than Stalin himself. Obviously, we have here the long-sought smoking gun. Or do we? The rest of Botvinnik's statement clouds the pictu "But of course I refused! It was an intrigue against me, to belittle me. A ridiculous proposal, only made to put down the future World Champion. In some circles, people preferred Keres to be World Champion. It was disgraceful, because I had already proven by and large that I was stronger at that time than Keres and Smyslov." Bizarre. The fix proposal was intended to insult him, and perhaps to help Keres? Nonsensical, as Krabbé notes. Botvinnik had something of a persecution complex, and it seems to be badly skewing his interpretation of events here. And what of the claim that he refused? Not his only such; see for example Achieving the Aim, p. 43, where he rejects Krylenko's suggestion that Rabinovitch throw him a game in 1935. But the two incidents are not entirely comparable. Rejecting a suggestion by Krylenko is perhaps conceivable, but refusing orders from Stalin himself? Hard to believe. In most areas of policy Stalin was no more flexible than Hitler, and at least as brutal. Was chess so different, or Botvinnik so privileged? So do we accept Botvinnik 100%? Do we dismiss it all as the grousings of a grumpy paranoid octogenarian, or pick and choose what to believe? I prefer to avoid speculation on each detail. Clearly it is at very least another confirmation of the basic thesis of official pro-Botvinnik pressure. Coupled with Whyld's testimony, it shows, at a minimum, that there was an officially desired outcome, and both Keres and Botvinnik knew what it was. There is another argument for at least partial acceptance. Botvinnik 's admission of a fix order is so different, so at odds with everything he and Soviet officialdom have said before, that it is very hard to explain unless it were a fact. TAYLOR KINGSTON'S REPLY WHERE HE POSED AS XYLOTHIST (among a host of other pseudonyms): Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.politics From: (Xylothist) Date: 18 Feb 2002 19:48:03 GMT Local: Mon, Feb 18 2002 11:48 am Subject: Politicising History in Chess Life and ChessCafe "Such are the standards of those holding forth on the censored ChessCafe bulletin board." - Larry Parr. Larry Parr talking of "standards" is like Bill Clinton lecturing on marital fidelity. He disparages others' education, yet he allows himself double standards a college freshman could see through, and repeatedly violates standards of civil discourse by resorting to personal insult. To enumerate: 1. He complains that "Xylothist" is a pseudonym. This is rich coming from "Wmiketwo," under which alias Parr has made postings praising himself while insulting others on this forum. [This is a lie. I never posted under any bogus screen names and offered a lie detector challenge for big bucks declined by Mr. Kingston.] 2. Parr claims Taylor Kingston made the "silly" statement that "no one dared to defy Stalin's orders if he were in the dictator's grasp." I responded by saying Kingston had not said this, but showed that Parr himself had said something very like that. Parr complains that was taken out of context. Yet when challenged to present the Kingston quote he refers to, Parr presented a passage that, in context, clearly applies specifically to Botvinnik, and cannot reasonably be construed to include Kapitsa or others. It is Parr who uses the absolute terms "no one" and "any person," not Kingston. Parr wants it both ways. He complains about "context," yet he ignores the context of the Kingston quote, fabricating a whole new meaning for it. He invokes Stalin's severity to support his own belief (documented on this newsgroup) that Botvinnik did not defy Stalin, yet he wants to label Kingston "silly" because Kingston wonders if Botvinnik had the wherewithal to defy Stalin. Kingston finds it "hard to believe" that Botvinnik might have defied Stalin, and Parr says "Botvinnik ... had everything to gain by complying and everything to lose by not complying" with Stalin. Yet according to Parr, Kingston is being "silly" while Parr is showing superior knowledge, education and intellect. Wow. 3. Parr insults my educational level, about which he knows nothing, and refers to Kingston (and many others) by the charming term "ratpacker." Ad hominem attacks, unfounded gratuitous insults, and juvenile epithets - this is rhetoric at its best! The bizarre thing is that, as far as I can tell, Parr and Kingston both hold a very negative view of Stalin, yet Parr is not content - even where someone agrees with him, Parr must prove that Parr is superior, even if it means fabricating differences. What drives Parr to these extremes of petty demagoguery I cannot imagine. In any event, they merit no further response. |
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"J.D. Walker" wrote in message . .. Chess One wrote: I feared Larry Parr would be so slaughtered by Taylor Kingston's reply that he would crack a rib laughing, and have to swear off the newsgroup for a month unless he cracked another one. Then I could come in with what Russians themselves actually say about the issue, and begine to cite from Bronstein, Taimanov, Roschal, Gulko, Khalifman, and so on, to the 'scholars' who ... if they exist ... who won't /care/ to look. Phil Innes Dear Mr. Innes, I may not be one of the aforesaid scholars, but I am curious to know what the Russian GMs you cited have to say about this incident... If you have the time, the inclination and their comments are available in English. I do have them, and your curiosity credits you as normally intelligent. They are not in the slightest bit strange to normal investigative intelligence, and what is raised here, is by those people who are otherwise. It is their contention, that while they might do their own research, by reading on the subject they espouse, or even after direct inquiry [references provided to them], Soviet 'fixing' does not exist. Instead of asking me after entirely normative reports on this subject -by scholars - how come you do not ask those who have, rightly or wrongly, obtained a deviant understanding? To report what is normal to those who cannot declare it as such, is a great task. You will note in the Kingston communication in response to Larry Parr he was unable to name his nouns - which is to say, some coteries of expertise exists in his opinion, and I ask who they are and what they think, and what this is to him? He is unlikely able to make an acuitous response. Otherwise this course of study is far too high for Soviet-Chess 101, indeed, those who do not do their homework will never attain the master's class in a way enabling them to even understand its precepts. Phil Innes Cheers, Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C. 'Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.' -- (Exodus 23:2) 'It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.' -- Jiddu Krishnamurti |
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"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message ups.com... On Nov 10, 12:13 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote: Dear Mr. Innes, I may not be one of the aforesaid scholars, but I am curious to know what the Russian GMs you cited have to say about this incident... If you have the time, the inclination and their comments are available in English. -- Cheers, Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C. Rev. Walker, in this matter the two most relevant GMs are Keres and Botvinnik themselves, and you can read what I consider to be their most relevant comments he http://www.chesscafe.com/text/skittles165.pdf Look under the headings "Keres and Whyld" and "The Botvinnik Interview." Neither Evans nor I was aware of these statements when our respective articles on the Keres case appeared (10/1996 for Evans, 5/1998 for mine). The Botvinnik interview took place in 1991, but was published only in a Dutch weekly magazine not devoted to chess, and so remained obscure until it was translated to English and posted on Tim Krabbé's web-site in December 1999. I had been alerted to the possibility by Bernard Cafferty in (as I recall) 1999, that a friend of his, whom I suspected was Ken Whyld, knew something important, but Cafferty did not go into specifics at that time. The Whyld statement did not appear until June 2000, again on Krabbé's web-site. Knowing my interest in Keres, Krabbé notified me as soon as he had posted them. Whyld and I later discussed his encounter with Keres at greater length by e-mail. It was these statements by Botvinnik and Whyld, more than anything else, and not any of Evans' arguments or "evidence," that inclined me to believe that at least indirect pressure, in effect at least tantamount to coercion, had been applied to Keres, and prompted me to write the article in the above link. Various Russian and/or Soviet GMs may know various things and have various opinions, and should by all means be heard, but it seems unlikely that anything they might say will carry more weight than the testimony of the two principals. **Really? If the principals are complicit, then are they not //likely// compromised? **And the very first time to wrote to me was on this subject - looking for material to refute Laurie - and I informed you that very serious Russian opinion thinks as Laurie and Evans do. That you chose to ignore this, even knowing subsequently that your future interviewee was thought to - to put it politiely - to gloss the issue, and less politely - to lie, and that you were provided with the sources of those who thought so - but in your own words, 'could not think of any questions to ask them', is merely infamous! That is not scholarly! **Why you expose yourself to such suppositional material as above without any contextual understanding is your own business - but it is not chess history. It was some form of opportunism to do with your contacts. It is insensible. Since the events in question occurred nearly 60 years ago, very few people are still around with anything like first-hand knowledge. **And the few that are, were identified to you, and you declined my introcuction to speak with them! Of the Hague-Moscow contestants, Smyslov is the lone survivor. I am not aware that he has ever made any statement supporting the coercion thesis. I do know that when GM David Bronstein wrote an article claiming tampering at the 1953 Candidates Tournament (which Smyslov won), Smyslov took great umbrage. **Yes he did, but do you know that Roschal invited that commentary by Bronstein, since he too knew what was what. It is generally considered that Bronstein's indifference to 'fixing' is unimpeachable. You want to accuse him too? Another Soviet GM of the period, Yuri Averbakh, is on record as saying coercion did not occur. **Is this not the gentleman that I suggested to you may not be telling the truth, by way of 2 Russian sources? Did he tell the truth about his anti-semitic activities on behalf of the KGB? Have you still not read Gulko's testimony? So even Soviet contemporaries of Keres and Botvinnik have expressed conflicting views. **You should not write on subjects where you understand so very little, and you should protest not at all when serious testimony is offered - especially since you seem to prefer not to notice that. Above all, you should not contest any issues with people who have first hand experience of it, which is what you have done, and cannot admit their worth, compared with your, what? A California orientation to 'on record' which is a sound-bite from the active agent of suppression of chess players in Russia, and not asking him a tough question about 'his record'? pfft! Parr is right. You rather admire the Devil, no? Phil Innes |
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EVANS ON CHESS, CHESS LIFE, DECEMBER 2004 (page 42)
BOTVINNIK AND KERES (Cont.) GM Raymond Keene London, England Q. Last May a reader cited Harry Golombek's WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 1948. It was reissued in 2002 as part of a series of classic chess books (www.hardingesimpole.co.uk) and I wrote the jacket blurb: 'The author of this book was on the spot throughout and at the very epicentre of all the action. Here he annotates every game and follows every nuance. An International Master and British Champion, Golombek had a fluent knowledge of Russian and was alert to every key variation and possibility. Here are all the games, annotated in detail, of an historic and controversial event. Readers can make up their own minds on the evidence -- was Botvinnik the dominating titan of his day or was his triumph founded on the elimination of a dangerous rival and on political favouritism extended by the most powerful man in the Soviet Empire? "Mikhail Botvinnik, disciple of Josef Stalin and iron man of Soviet chess, seized the chess crown in 1948 in the 'famous five' Match Tournament. This was held to settle the question of the World Championship after reigning champion Alexander Alekhine had died in possession of the title. 1948 ushered in a long period of control of world chess by FIDE, the world chess federation, backed, in turn, by the powerful chess federation of the USSR , the land where chess had become the iconic national game. Botvinnik dominated the field, easily outdistancing his main rivals Smyslov, Reshevsky and Keres, while the hapless Dr. Max Euwe, former world champion, whose sudden and dramatic descent from world class chess was made brutally apparent by this event, was left trailing in last place, 6.5 points adrift of the field. Inspiration and controversy alike still surround the 1948 match tournament. At a time when more than one player claims to be world champion and rival organisations have their own champions, the resolution brought about by the match tournament is often regarded as the holy grail of world title definition. Yet critics also persist in seeing this system as flawed. Why for example was the Polish grandmaster Miguel Najdorf not invited when US Grandmaster Reuben Fine dropped out? Was it because Najdorf had defeated Botvinnik in a recent tournament? Worse, unsubstantiated rumours abound that Paul Keres, an enthusiastic participant in Nazi-controlled competitions of the early 1940s, came under pressure to lose games in Moscow -- the very heart of the Soviet Empire -- to Stalin's protégé Botvinnik." Many people were liquidated or sent to gulags for doing far less than Keres did during the war, and it would have been a catastrophe for him if he had somehow stopped Botvinnik and Reshevsky triumphed. For what it's worth my opinion is Keres did throw the first four games, but I wonder if Botvinnik knew it. A. What Golombek wrote was pretty damning -- he was incredulous about some of Keres' moves -- but to directly accuse the Soviets of cheating would have been professional suicide for him in those days. See THE TRAGEDY OF PAUL KERES where I pinpoint the suspicious moves (Chess Life, October 1996). One final point. At the 1952 Olympiad in Helsinki -- the first time the USSR ever entered a squad -- Keres, Smyslov, Bronstein, Geller, Boleslavsky and Kotov held a majority vote to exclude Botvinnik. It was outrageous to oust the world champion from their team and Botvinnik complained bitterly about this conspiracy. Did Keres, who played board one, thus taste some revenge for 1948? Yet they later enjoyed friendly relations. Chess One wrote: "Taylor Kingston" wrote in message ups.com... On Nov 10, 12:13 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote: Dear Mr. Innes, I may not be one of the aforesaid scholars, but I am curious to know what the Russian GMs you cited have to say about this incident... If you have the time, the inclination and their comments are available in English. -- Cheers, Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C. Rev. Walker, in this matter the two most relevant GMs are Keres and Botvinnik themselves, and you can read what I consider to be their most relevant comments he http://www.chesscafe.com/text/skittles165.pdf Look under the headings "Keres and Whyld" and "The Botvinnik Interview." Neither Evans nor I was aware of these statements when our respective articles on the Keres case appeared (10/1996 for Evans, 5/1998 for mine). The Botvinnik interview took place in 1991, but was published only in a Dutch weekly magazine not devoted to chess, and so remained obscure until it was translated to English and posted on Tim Krabbé's web-site in December 1999. I had been alerted to the possibility by Bernard Cafferty in (as I recall) 1999, that a friend of his, whom I suspected was Ken Whyld, knew something important, but Cafferty did not go into specifics at that time. The Whyld statement did not appear until June 2000, again on Krabbé's web-site. Knowing my interest in Keres, Krabbé notified me as soon as he had posted them. Whyld and I later discussed his encounter with Keres at greater length by e-mail. It was these statements by Botvinnik and Whyld, more than anything else, and not any of Evans' arguments or "evidence," that inclined me to believe that at least indirect pressure, in effect at least tantamount to coercion, had been applied to Keres, and prompted me to write the article in the above link. Various Russian and/or Soviet GMs may know various things and have various opinions, and should by all means be heard, but it seems unlikely that anything they might say will carry more weight than the testimony of the two principals. **Really? If the principals are complicit, then are they not //likely// compromised? **And the very first time to wrote to me was on this subject - looking for material to refute Laurie - and I informed you that very serious Russian opinion thinks as Laurie and Evans do. That you chose to ignore this, even knowing subsequently that your future interviewee was thought to - to put it politiely - to gloss the issue, and less politely - to lie, and that you were provided with the sources of those who thought so - but in your own words, 'could not think of any questions to ask them', is merely infamous! That is not scholarly! **Why you expose yourself to such suppositional material as above without any contextual understanding is your own business - but it is not chess history. It was some form of opportunism to do with your contacts. It is insensible. Since the events in question occurred nearly 60 years ago, very few people are still around with anything like first-hand knowledge. **And the few that are, were identified to you, and you declined my introcuction to speak with them! Of the Hague-Moscow contestants, Smyslov is the lone survivor. I am not aware that he has ever made any statement supporting the coercion thesis. I do know that when GM David Bronstein wrote an article claiming tampering at the 1953 Candidates Tournament (which Smyslov won), Smyslov took great umbrage. **Yes he did, but do you know that Roschal invited that commentary by Bronstein, since he too knew what was what. It is generally considered that Bronstein's indifference to 'fixing' is unimpeachable. You want to accuse him too? Another Soviet GM of the period, Yuri Averbakh, is on record as saying coercion did not occur. **Is this not the gentleman that I suggested to you may not be telling the truth, by way of 2 Russian sources? Did he tell the truth about his anti-semitic activities on behalf of the KGB? Have you still not read Gulko's testimony? So even Soviet contemporaries of Keres and Botvinnik have expressed conflicting views. **You should not write on subjects where you understand so very little, and you should protest not at all when serious testimony is offered - especially since you seem to prefer not to notice that. Above all, you should not contest any issues with people who have first hand experience of it, which is what you have done, and cannot admit their worth, compared with your, what? A California orientation to 'on record' which is a sound-bite from the active agent of suppression of chess players in Russia, and not asking him a tough question about 'his record'? pfft! Parr is right. You rather admire the Devil, no? Phil Innes |
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On Nov 10, 5:23 pm, " wrote:
EVANS ON CHESS, CHESS LIFE, DECEMBER 2004 (page 42) BOTVINNIK AND KERES (Cont.) GM Raymond Keene London, England Q. Last May a reader cited Harry Golombek's WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP 1948. It was reissued in 2002 as part of a series of classic chess books (www.hardingesimpole.co.uk) and I wrote the jacket blurb: 'The author of this book was on the spot throughout and at the very epicentre of all the action.' Another example of Parr's, Evans', and Keene's frequent factual errors. As pointed out he http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/winter03.html Golombek himself made very clear he did *_not_* go to Moscow in 1948 and therefore was *_not_* "on the spot throughout." To quote Chess Notes #3482 in full: Regarding Harry Golombek's book on the 1948 world championship match- tournament in The Hague and Moscow, the following untrue statement is quoted on page 42 of the December 2004 Chess Life: 'The author of this book was on the spot throughout and at the very epicenter of all the action.' In reality, Golombek was not present in Moscow at all, as he explained in his introduction to the 1982 BCM edition of the book: 'The time came when the event moved off to Moscow. I endeavoured to follow the big group of Dutch and Russian chess masters and officials but was unable to gain a visa. [H.G. then gave further details.] So I had to be content with studying the games of the Russian section of the tournament in the Soviet bulletins. Fortunately, these were very well annotated and there were also quite elaborate descriptions of the playing hall and the various circumstances that attend a great tournament.' ** end Chess Notes excerpt ** All we have here is another example of Keene's habitual carelessness and failure to check the facts, said gaffe then being eagerly accepted and quoted by Parr and Evans because it suits their rhetorical purposes. |
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"J.D. Walker" wrote in message ... It is an interesting incident. If anyone has information from other Russian/Soviet GMs, I would like know. Bronstein of course is published in Russian in the magazine"64". He directly accused Smyslov. To find material in English, you might consult the record here http://www.chessville.com/Editorials...s/Taimanov.htm I interviewed Taimanov, with the very able help of Dr. Bill Hyde. This reply is rather different than others, since it indicates systemic corruption - and the very high degree of politics associated with Soviet chess. You might note his reference to his own visit to Liverpool, and who signed the papers permitting him to go. In terms of Zurich 53, he emphasises the point, referencing Bronstein's comments about 'backstage maneuvers'. And here are specifics: "at that time I did not know anything about it - as we say in Russia, it was not accepted "to carry out the rubbish from the izba" (Editor's note: an izba is a peasant's hut). All this was usually done secretly. The most of what was demanded of me, for example, - was the threat to not finish ahead of our leaders, (and most of all Smyslov), i.e. to not aspire to win against them. And to play with special attention versus our leader's chief competitors." --- (((An aside, the very next question cites Larry Parr - and rather than duck the question, as it may immediately seem, MT makes an indirect answer, and refers to his own book, "I was Fischer's Victim" with its new chapter. The book talk about playing Fischer but also his official treatment afterwards.I am unsure the new material has been released in the West, in English [and my own copy is in Russian]. I did have a copy of it sent to Ray Keene in London, since Ray has stood up for an publicised the plight of Refuseniks in Russia. The new chapter is the KGB archive maintained on Taimanov.))) -- What a pity this book is also not in English: "Now more often correspondents are curious about my meetings with great persons of the last century whom I had the good luck to meet. About W.Churchill, N.Khrushchev, F.Castro, E.Che Guevara; and D.Shostakovich, D.Ojstrah, M.Rostropovich; and M.Botvinnik, R.Fischer, T.Petrosian. I retell all this in my (Russian language) book "Remembering the most - most"." --- There is a collation of about 4,000 downloadable Taimanov games at the tale of the article, and one more thing! I also asked Mark if he would annotate a lost game. And he chose his, with Fischer, game 3 - and that incredible position! In chatting about it with him I accused he and Fischer of creating the most complex position in the entire C20th, and he replied that not even Kasparov could solve it, nor any super computer, and not for 25 years... Then he asked me a question: he said, "What do you think was going through Fischer's mind in those 70 minutes? Did he solve it?" I sent that question to Fischer, but that's another story. Cordially, Phil Innes Cheers, Rev. J.D. Walker, U.C. 'Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.' -- (Exodus 23:2) 'It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.' -- Jiddu Krishnamurti |
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"Chess One" wrote in message news:ORBZi.1812$Z01.1016@trndny01... -- What a pity this book is also not in English: "Now more often correspondents are curious about my meetings with great persons of the last century whom I had the good luck to meet. About W.Churchill, N.Khrushchev, F.Castro, E.Che Guevara; and D.Shostakovich, D.Ojstrah, M.Rostropovich; and M.Botvinnik, R.Fischer, T.Petrosian. I retell all this in my (Russian language) book "Remembering the most - most"." And what a pity that Larry Evans is also not in English on similar subjects! - he has been toying for years with my requests for a fullsome report of his own encounter with F.Castro, E.Che Guevara... In fact, in the double-Phillips CD edition of Taimanov's music, there they all are! Taimanov is playing Evans, and the unmistakable and iconic image of the poster-child of the left in the 60s watching the game is Che. I think it was at this time that Dr. Guevara joked that if he wasn't tempted to go and start a new revolution in Bolivia or someplace, he would seriously consider becoming a fulltime chess player. I think Evans needs a good co-author to get this material out, and I recommend to him, Denker's. Phil Innes |
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"samsloan" wrote in message ups.com... It is very well known that "Edward Winter" is obsessed with Raymond Keene and has been attacking him incessantly since the late 1970s. In the last decade or so Winter has added other names to his list of people he attacks all the time. These include especially Larry Evans, Eric Schiller and most recently Sam Sloan. (I am honored to have my name added to such a distinguished list.) I have put quotation marks around the name "Edward Winter" because nobody knows who he is. Nobody has ever seen him. Unlike the others mentioned, you are a *special* case Sam! You frequently doubt the very existance of people, even those you have met, and are otherwise well-known. I think Winter is not unknown, and one of the principals of Ray Keene's publisher went to school with him - and regularly played chess with him. Winter is not a strong chess player. Detectives have even staked out around the house in Switzerland where he supposedly receives his mail and nobody has been able to find him there. He is English not American, and some English people are not nearly so forward as some Americans! I encountered him last making inquires of Adorjan about another player not mentioned here. But that is private correspondence. Taylor Kingston shares some remarkable similarities with Edward Winter. Both are English. Both have the same enemies list. This has led me to wonder that they might even be the same person. laugh - let me assure you that this is not so - well, 'assure' is a nonsensical term to use in writing to you, since you want to put your own fingers in the wounds, no? I think that's okay, it has a precedent. But it doesn't mean that everyone else is so er, kinesthetic. Phil Innes Sam Sloan |
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KERES WAS COERCED
"When the war in Europe ended he [Keres] returned home, but not before making a deal with the Soviet authorities. He would be 'forgiven' for playing in German tournaments, i.e. collaborating with the enemy. In return Keres promised not to interfere with Botvinnik's challenge to Alekhine. In 1947, at his second attempt, Keres won the USSR Championship (+10 =8 -1)." -- THE OXFORD COMPANION TO CHESS by Hooper & Whyld (page 163, first edition 1984) "Shoddy research, selective bias, flawed logic -- the Evans article is a travesty of historiograhy. That's why it has been ignored by scholars. It's just not worth their time." -- Taylor Kingston on this forum (11/10/07) That's a far cry from what this gent wrote in his initial letter to the editor of Chess Life after reading THE TRAGEDY OF PAUL KERES by GM Larry Evans: "Larry Evans' article The Tragedy of Pal Keres in your October 1996 issue was one of the best pieces of chess historical writing you've ever run. Evans's analysis of games from the 1948 world championship makes a strong case that Keres' failure, and Botvinnik's consequent success, were the result of coercion by Soviet authorities. "There are still many unanswered questions, however. Evans states that newly discovered once secret Soviet files shows that Keres was forced to abandon his quest for the world title. Yet you printed only one brief excerpt from these, an excerpt which did not prove Evans' case. Is there a smoking gun, a document stating clearly that Keres was told 'lose or we will kill you'? Did this ban on winning the title apply only to the 1948 tournamwent, or for all time? If the latter, it would explain Keres' many second-place finishes in Candidates tournaments. Pewrhaps most importantly, how much did Botvinnik know? It is almost impossible to believe that he was merely an innocent beneficiary, that Keres was coerced without Botvinnik's knowledge and consent. "Between Evans' article and GM David Bronstein's recent book THE SORCERER'S APPRENTICE, a new and extremely ugly picture of Botvinnik is emerging, that of a cheat and hypocrite, who used his influence with Soviet authorities and with FIDE to subvert competitors and set himself up as a tin god of chess. CHESS LIFE should investigate further and find out the facts. We could be on the verge of uncovering one of the major scandals in chess history." -- Taylor Kingston, Shelburne, VT WHAT KINGSTON NOW IGNORES The gent no longer bothers to deny that he wrote here under bogus screen names such as Xylothist, pretending to be someone else IN ORDER TO PRAISE HIS OWN ARGUMENTS. The gent also fails to explain his cunning lie in a "confidential" letter to playwright Richard Laurie that he was unaware of the dispute between Winter and Evans when he was fully aware of this dispute and had already sided with Winter. That is low stuff, suggesting still worse things are possible from our NMnot. Yours, Larry Parr Chess One wrote: "samsloan" wrote in message ups.com... It is very well known that "Edward Winter" is obsessed with Raymond Keene and has been attacking him incessantly since the late 1970s. In the last decade or so Winter has added other names to his list of people he attacks all the time. These include especially Larry Evans, Eric Schiller and most recently Sam Sloan. (I am honored to have my name added to such a distinguished list.) I have put quotation marks around the name "Edward Winter" because nobody knows who he is. Nobody has ever seen him. Unlike the others mentioned, you are a *special* case Sam! You frequently doubt the very existance of people, even those you have met, and are otherwise well-known. I think Winter is not unknown, and one of the principals of Ray Keene's publisher went to school with him - and regularly played chess with him. Winter is not a strong chess player. Detectives have even staked out around the house in Switzerland where he supposedly receives his mail and nobody has been able to find him there. He is English not American, and some English people are not nearly so forward as some Americans! I encountered him last making inquires of Adorjan about another player not mentioned here. But that is private correspondence. Taylor Kingston shares some remarkable similarities with Edward Winter. Both are English. Both have the same enemies list. This has led me to wonder that they might even be the same person. laugh - let me assure you that this is not so - well, 'assure' is a nonsensical term to use in writing to you, since you want to put your own fingers in the wounds, no? I think that's okay, it has a precedent. But it doesn't mean that everyone else is so er, kinesthetic. Phil Innes Sam Sloan |
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On Nov 11, 9:02 am, " wrote:
"Shoddy research, selective bias, flawed logic -- the Evans article is a travesty of historiograhy. That's why it has been ignored by scholars. It's just not worth their time." -- Taylor Kingston on this forum (11/10/07) That's a far cry from what this gent wrote in his initial letter to the editor of Chess Life after reading THE TRAGEDY OF PAUL KERES by GM Larry Evans: "Larry Evans' article The Tragedy of Pal Keres in your October 1996 issue was one of the best pieces of chess historical writing you've ever run. Evans's analysis of games from the 1948 world championship makes a strong case that Keres' failure, and Botvinnik's consequent success, were the result of coercion by Soviet authorities. Once I saw you start this thread, Larry, I knew it would be only a matter of days before you trotted out that dead horse of a letter, to flog it yet again. RGC veterans know that this is just one of your standard dodges, but for those new to the group, let me (for the unpteenth time) set the record straight, by quoting from Winter's "The Facts About Larry Evans" ( http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/evans.html ), which in turn quotes me: Page 60 of the Autumn 1999 Kingpin carried a brief reply from Evans. Although, in reality, he replied to virtually nothing, he did dispute Watson's description of Taylor Kingston as a critic of Evans' claims (claims made, wrote Watson, without 'even a shred of actual evidence') that Keres was forced to throw his games to Botvinnik in the 1948 world championship event. In his 'reply' Evans triumphantly quoted a supportive letter from Kingston which had been published in his August 1997 Chess Life column. A devastating blow? Yes, but against Evans. That became manifest when the Spring 2000 issue of Kingpin (page 64) published this response from Taylor Kingston: 'I did indeed write the letter Evans quotes, but that was before I researched and analyzed his article in detail. On deeper examination I found his logic and evidence to be highly questionable. I made this quite clear, both publicly in my article "Keres and Botvinnik: A Survey of the Evidence" (CL 5/98) and privately in letters to Evans himself. For Evans to say or even imply that I now support him, is amazingly, grossly dishonest.' 'Amazingly, grossly dishonest.' Somehow such words keep coming back in any discerning scrutiny of Evans' writings. In 2000 Yasser Seirawan published on his Inside Chess website a strongly-worded open letter 'Enough is Enough' which called on the FIDE President to resign. In a follow-up article (also on-line at Inside Chess) Seirawan reviewed the reaction, including that of the 'long time rabid critic of FIDE, GM Evans'. After pointing out how Evans had misrepresented his open letter, Seirawan concluded: 'Experienced Evans-watchers know that it is the kind of untruth and distortion that is endemic in him.' *** end Chess Notes excerpt *** Then, of course, we have Larry Parr's *_own_* censure of Evans for flaunting my letter even *_after_* he knew I had repudiated it. As Parr posted here on 25 August 2001: The unpleasant truth is that GM Evans is guilty of something worse than dishonesty ...GM Evans' transgression is to have misrepresented Mr. Kingston's position out of polemical incompetence. Moreover, this incompetence cannot be excused ...Incompetence can be more morally odious, when it is utterly inexcusable, than conventional forms of dishonesty ... GM Evans' high-handed supposition only compounds his earlier "dishonesty of inexcusable incompetence." He shattered the rules of honest controversy. He ought never to have made this assumption, which was all the worse to do, because IT SERVED HIS POLEMICAL PURPOSES OF THE MOMENT. *** He was obliged - no strike that, *_absolutely required as a matter of honor_* - to contact Mr. Kingston before using the man's initial letter of praise for his "The Tragedy of Paul Keres." *** (emphasis added) *** end Parr excerpt *** Once again it is demonstrated, exceptionally clearly in this case, that with Parr ethical sentiments, such as those expressed above, are mere chance aberrations. |
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