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AVRO 1938
I have no dispute with Mr. Hyde's scholarly presentation. My main point was to illustrate that Greg Kennedy's historical ignorance is boundless. Specifically, his bogus claim that the following paragraph by GM Evans in THE TRAGEDY OF PAUL KERES (1996) was a "grotesque distortion [that] has been refuted time and again." "Botvinnik was then absolute champion of the Soviet Union (which had swallowed Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia) while Keres was in trouble for having competed in Nazi-organized tournaments during the war. The KGB wanted to execute Keres for treason, and his family was also in peril. His case was examined at the highest level in the Kremlin; they let him rejoin his family in Estonia, but the price of his reprieve was to abandon his quest for the crown." In a preface to AVRO 1938 (Chess Digest 1993) Dr. Arthur Antler stated: "In 1938, a major controversy existed in the international chess world. Alexander Alekhine had recently regained the position of World Champion by convincingly defeating Max Euwe in a rematch for the title. The question remained as to which grandmaster should have the privilege of challenging Alekhine for the next title match. Various players citing excellent results in recent tournaments made claim to be the next challenger. But who was the second best player in the world? "In order to help settle this dispute a Dutch radio company, Allgemeene Vereenigung Radio-Omroep (A.V.R.O.) organized a tournament exclusively of the eight strongest players in the world at the time, with the belief that the winner of the tournament, if not Alekhine himself, would earn the right to the next World Championship match." THE OXFORD COMPANION TO CHESS notes: "The joint winners were the youngest, Keres and Fine; Botvinnik was third. Alekhine, Euwe, and Reshevsky shared fourth place, Capablanca and Flohr followed. Keres, having the higher Neustadtl score, challenged Alekhine for the world title; but no match took place, for Alekhine was already negotiating secretly with Botvinnik." In 1940 Keres narrowly won a 14-game match against Euwe. The rest is history. William Hyde wrote: On Nov 21, 8:16 am, " wrote: Keres by virtue of his victory at AVRO 1938 (ahead of Fine on tie- break) was next in line for a shot at the title held by Alekhine, but the war intervened. This is not true at all. Alekhine explicitly stated at the opening ceremonies that he "retained the right to first play for the world title with others", i.e. before he played the AVRO winner. His contract with AVRO was to play the winner "under conditions to be formulated later". Given these two statements, the AVRO guarantee was meaningless. He could play as many other people as he wanted to before playing the winner, and if he still held the title, could spin the negotiations on the "formulated later" as long as he liked. He further wrote in January 1939: "The logical and inescapable conclusion [to be drawn from AVRO - WH] is that the next match for the world title must be fought against a representative of the younger generation. Which one? In my opinion this is a matter of minor importance; no one can claim an exclusive moral right to be the first challenger." Clearly Alekhine saw no special status for Keres. But he continues: "... after the tournament was over Keres challenged me to a match, adding that he would prefer not to play before the end of 1940. Accepting in principle, I communicated to him my financial conditions ...." So Keres asked for a match to be held two years later (or more), and Alekhine accepted in principle - much like the Flohr match that never happened. But he also said: "There remains the possibility of another title match in 1939", i.e. against Fine, Botvinnik, or Reshevsky, if any of these made a challenge backed up with cash. Keres himself wrote an article in Chess Review, March 1941, titled "The World Chess Championship". In this he assesses the strengths and weaknesses of Alekhine's main challengers, including himself (and also Flohr). Nowhere in an article of several pages does he claim that AVRO gives him any right to a match, and in fact the tournament is mentioned only twice, once to show that Alekhine was no longer in a class by himself, and again while discussing Fine's chances (Fine won both games against Alekhine at AVRO). Keres concludes: "A good deal has been said about existing contenders, yet the outstanding question still remains unsolved: how should priority for the match be determined? To answer this, it would be necessary to have recourse to one or several tournaments in which all the claimants could participate. Such tourneys should also be open to new stars who are in need of training with the world's strongest masters." He then goes on to outline a zonal/candidates system, very simple compared to the one FIDE used - but the idea is the same - and continues: "In conversations with Alekhine I gained the impression that he would agree in principle to such a plan ...." Note, no mention of his AVRO "right" to a match. Either it never existed, or he felt the right had expired along with his 1940 match. Now, when he wrote this article Estonia was under Soviet occupation, so he may have been forced to drop this claim. But if so, it was in 1940/41 not 1947. He had a chance to reassert any such claim in the next few years, while playing tournaments with Alekhine, but if he did so (and I have not heard that he did), no match resulted. All of the above quotes are from "Chess Review" for 1938,39 and 41. William Hyde |
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On Nov 20, 12:51 pm, Taylor Kingston wrote:
Did Keres' family situation allow this? I don't know about during most of WW II, but toward the end, when the USSR was re-taking Estonia from the Germans, Keres had a chance to get away. However, it would have been escape for him alone. He was not willing to abandon his wife and children. A wife and children -- right there is the elusive smoking gun. No wonder he wasn't able to take the title. Did Bobby Fischer have a wife and chldren? No. Did Gary Kasparov? Nope (his mother doesn't count). What about Alexander Alekhine? Nyet. This is (obviously) a handicap, much like adopting the French Defense as black and the Reti or Bird's as white. -- help bot |
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#203
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BOTSTER'S HANDICAP
A wife and children -- right there is the elusive smoking gun. No wonder he wasn't able to take the title. Did Bobby Fischer have a wife and chldren? No. Did Gary Kasparov? Nope (his mother doesn't count). What about Alexander Alekhine? Nyet. This is (obviously) a handicap, much like adopting the French Defense as black and the Reti or Bird's as white. -- Greg Kennedy Gregbot strikes again! "A few years after his death the Soviet authorities honoured him as the greatest star of Russian chess and requested his reburial in Russia. His widow objected, and in 1956 his body was reinterred in Montparnasse cemetary. The ceremony was attended by ALEKHINE'S SON [my emphasis] by Anneliese Ruegg, who came from Switzerland, and by the Soviet Ambassador." -- THE OXFORD COMPANION TO CHESS |
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On Nov 21, 7:05 pm, " wrote:
...the price of [Paul Keres'] reprieve was to abandon his quest for the crown." -- GM Larry Evans (1996) This nonsense was utterly refuted by Taylor Kingston in his Chess Cafe articles. It is of course unsurprising that Larry Parr continues to quote LE's error, ad infinitum. It's almost as though LP's job were to embarrass the five- time U.S. Champion, though one expects his true intent is just the opposite. Far from "abandoning" any quest for the crown, GM Keres merely stepped aside temporarily, to allow his rival, GM Botvinnik, first dibs. In sum, no amount of quoting from the Oxford Companion *to* Chess can make up for the embarrassing error already refuted by TK at the Chess Cafe. Larry Evans got his facts in a jumble, leaped to unwarranted conclusions, and as always, printed his biased speculations and conjectures as though they were proven facts. In my view, it is unfortunate that not only do we have evidence of personal bias, but indeed there is substantial evidence of deliberate deception, and this goes far beyond merely being incompetent and or witted. Time and again, both Mr. Evans and Mr. Parr have been caught lying, twisting the facts, and of course, misrepresenting what little they do know of the facts to suit an agenda. As GM Seirawan has observed, this dishonesty appears to be /endemic/. No anti-biotic or jock-itch cream will have the slightest effect; the dread disease has progressed to a point where the patients may fairly be considered /incurable/. ---- Now, having for a brief time abandoned my quest, I am returning to an interesting battle with Sanny's confounded machine; I have but a King remaining, against King and Knight, and this is going to require all my powers if I expect to defeat the Commie plot to win by default, should I be unable to continue for having consumed too much turkey... . -- help bot |
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On Nov 21, 7:05 pm, " wrote:
The KGB wanted to execute Keres for treason, and his family was was also in peril. -- Larry Evans Has this ever really been established? In the first place, strictly speaking, the KGB (Committee for State Security) did not exist until 1954, therefore it seems unlikely it could have wanted to do anything in 1945 or 1946. At that time the relevant police organ would have been the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs, the NKVD. Perhaps a distinction without a difference, but it's important to keep facts straight. All manner of rumors have floated around about Keres in the immediate post-war years: he was arrested, he was not arrested, he was going to be executed, he was too valuable to be executed, Botvinnik wanted him killed, Botvinnik wanted to save him, etc. etc. Few if any of these seem to have any basis. Valter Heuer, a close friend of Keres, wrote extensively of Kere's post-war travails in "The Troubled Years of Paul Keres" (New In Chess, #4, 1995). He describes many harships, including Keres being interrogated by police, yet he mentions no arrest at all ever taking place. In fact, a high-ranking official in the Estonian Communist Party, Nikolai Karotamm, was very pro-Keres. This is not to suggest Keres was well-treated in the immediate post- war years -- he definitely was not. As Bernard Cafferty wrote in the BCM of February 2000: "A document of 29th August 1946 states that ... serious compromising material had been discovered on Keres, by reason of his collaboration with the Germans ... and his links with active participants of the Estonian 'bourgeois-nationalist underground'." Such suspicions could certainly be grounds for arrest and even execution in Stalin's USSR. But, I wonder, did any arrest actually take place? And did anyone really want "to execute Keres [or his family] for treason," and if so, who, and what is the evidence that they did? |
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On Nov 21, 9:36 pm, " wrote:
The ceremony was attended by ALEKHINE'S SON [my emphasis] by Anneliese Ruegg, who came from Switzerland, and by the Soviet Ambassador." -- THE OXFORD COMPANION TO CHESS If I didn't know better, I might conclude that Larry Parr is accusing AA of sleeping around. (Of course, he would never mean to imply that AA was held back in his quest for the title by this widow or son -- that would be dimwitted, since it was the widow's money which *aided* AA.) -- help bot |
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On Nov 22, 11:18 am, Taylor Kingston wrote:
On Nov 21, 7:05 pm, " wrote: The KGB wanted to execute Keres for treason, and his family was was also in peril. -- Larry Evans Has this ever really been established? "The memory plays tricks." -- Larry Evans I seem to recall reading in one of the TK articles that LE's remark probably stemmed from the story about a Robert Keres, for whom the Russians had an arrest warrant. In the first place, strictly speaking, the KGB (Committee for State Security) did not exist until 1954, therefore it seems unlikely it could have wanted to do anything in 1945 or 1946. It's starting again; you are allowing mere facts to stand in the way of a good story. At that time the relevant police organ would have been the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs, the NKVD. Perhaps a distinction without a difference, but it's important to keep facts straight. Um, no. What is important to the writer is to weave an interesting plot, with elements of surprise and characters who strike a chord with the readers. Only in, say, a detective story (think Sherlock Holmes) is the keeping of facts in their proper order important, for the readers will feel cheated otherwise. All manner of rumors have floated around about Keres in the immediate post-war years: he was arrested, he was not arrested, he was going to be executed, he was too valuable to be executed, Botvinnik wanted him killed, Botvinnik wanted to save him, etc. etc. Few if any of these seem to have any basis. But do they /make for a good story/? Valter Heuer, a close friend of Keres, wrote extensively of Kere's post-war travails in "The Troubled Years of Paul Keres" (New In Chess, #4, 1995). He describes many harships, including Keres being interrogated by police, yet he mentions no arrest at all ever taking place. In fact, a high-ranking official in the Estonian Communist Party, Nikolai Karotamm, was very pro-Keres. Plot spoiler! Once you demolish the illusion of a conspiracy by citing contrary facts, the whole thing falls down, like a house of cards. This is not to suggest Keres was well-treated in the immediate post- war years -- he definitely was not. As Bernard Cafferty wrote in the BCM of February 2000: "A document of 29th August 1946 states that ... serious compromising material had been discovered on Keres, by reason of his collaboration with the Germans ... and his links with active participants of the Estonian 'bourgeois-nationalist underground'." Such suspicions could certainly be grounds for arrest and even execution in Stalin's USSR. But, I wonder, did any arrest actually take place? And did anyone really want "to execute Keres [or his family] for treason," and if so, who, and what is the evidence that they did? The script has already answered such questions. It was decided that the KGB would play the bad guys, but that the main heavy would be played by an actor resembling GM Botvinnik. When GM Averbakh stated *precisely the opposite* of his lines in the Evans script, the Evans ratpack -- having invested everything they had in this venture -- just went ahead anyway. And when /real detectives/ like Mr. Heuer refused to robo-recite lines scripted for them, the poor fellows had no other choice than to /write them out/ of their version -- the director's cut. The Evans ratpack version veers far afield from the "true story" on which this tale was originally to be based; but you have to admit, it makes for a good story. Something akin to A Beautiful Mind, I expect, except that it was the producer-directors who went insane. -- help bot |
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On Nov 23, 4:26 am, help bot wrote:
At that time the relevant police organ would have been the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs, the NKVD. Perhaps a distinction without a difference, but it's important to keep facts straight. Um, no. What is important to the writer is to weave an interesting plot, with elements of surprise and characters who strike a chord with the readers. Only in, say, a detective story (think Sherlock Holmes) is the keeping of facts in their proper order important, for the readers will feel cheated otherwise. I do hope you don't mean chronology when you write "a proper order", because it's common to present facts to the reader that the reader won't understand yet or misinterpret. Think of the dog that didn't bark in Conan Doyle's short story Silver Blaze, for instance. Or the Christie novel with Hercule Poirot - I don't recall the name of it - in which the detective asks someone - the butler, if I recall correctly - to verify the date on the calendar; the reader assumes the date is important, when the "fact" that's important is that the butler is nearsighted. If you mean by "proper order" not bringing in a deus ex machina 'fact' that upsets the dogcart, I agree with you. |
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On Nov 23, 8:18 am, The Historian wrote:
On Nov 23, 4:26 am, help bot wrote: At that time the relevant police organ would have been the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs, the NKVD. Perhaps a distinction without a difference, but it's important to keep facts straight. Um, no. What is important to the writer is to weave an interesting plot, with elements of surprise and characters who strike a chord with the readers. Only in, say, a detective story (think Sherlock Holmes) is the keeping of facts in their proper order important, for the readers will feel cheated otherwise. I do hope you don't mean chronology when you write "a proper order", Given the context of my comment, it is clear that TK's term "straight" (and hence my follow-up comment) were in reference to factual accuracy, not chronology. because it's common to present facts to the reader that the reader won't understand yet or misinterpret. Think of the dog that didn't bark in Conan Doyle's short story Silver Blaze, for instance. Or the Christie novel with Hercule Poirot - I don't recall the name of it - Fritz? Rover? in which the detective asks someone - the butler, if I recall correctly - to verify the date on the calendar; the reader assumes the date is important, when the "fact" that's important is that the butler is nearsighted. Do you mean far-sighted? Near-sighted butlers can read up close, but have trouble if the calendar is held far away. If you mean by "proper order" not bringing in a deus ex machina 'fact' that upsets the dogcart, I agree with you. I meant precisely the same as Mr. Kingston meant in his commentary: that keeping facts straight is important. For instance, mixing up dates has caused the Evans ratpack considerable difficulties, as has getting their "facts" in a mess. But their main problem is and has always been the peculiar selectivity in choosing which facts to take note of, and which to dishonestly sweep under the rug. -- help bot |
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