Mig Greengard has been nominated for deletion on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mig_Greengard

Mig Greengard is definitely one of my favorite people. However, he
easily meets the standards of notability set for inclusion on
Wikipedia. Among many other things, he was director of the New York
Office of the Kasparov Chess Foundation and recently he was awarded
"Chess Journalist of the Year" by the Chess Journalists Association.

Being nominated for deletion is a matter of serious concern.

In March, 2006, Paul Rubin, who posts on Wikipedia as "Phr", deleted
my biographies of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand
Vijjuprabha, and Geoffrey Borg. I doubt that Paul Rubin even knew who
these people are. They are the most important chess officials in their
respective countries. Thus, they are easily qualified to be listed on
Wikipedia. In addition, the USCF had nominated these four people as
candidates for election to the FIDE Board, Paul Rubin is an anti-USCF
person, which perhaps explains why he nominated them for deletion.

After I got these four biographies reinstated, Louis Blair wrote
letters to 19 known anti-chess and anti-Sam Sloan administrators
asking them to reinstate the removals of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar
Ingolotti, Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg. The result was that
one of those 19, an especially quarrelsome administrator named
User:Jzg a/k/a Guy Chapman, who spends all his time arguing with other
Wikipedia administrators:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JzG

The result was that User:JzG did not merely delete the biographies, he
"salted the earth", meaning that biographies of these four people can
never be re-instated again.

As a result, they lost the election. User:JzG also deleted the
biography of Robert Tanner.

Since Louis Blair has been known to claim that this was not the fault,
I call upon him now to write to User:JzG and ask him to un-salt the
earth on the biographies of Julio Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand
Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg.

The point is that if somebody does not go in right now and defend Mig
Greengard, It is likely that he will be the subject of "salting the
earth".

Sam Sloan

On Jan 6, 2:01*pm, samsloan wrote:
Mig Greengard has been nominated for deletion on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mig_Greengard

Mig Greengard is definitely one of my favorite people. However, he
easily meets the standards of notability set for inclusion on
Wikipedia. Among many other things, he was director of the New York
Office of the Kasparov Chess Foundation and recently he was awarded
"Chess Journalist of the Year" by the Chess Journalists Association.

Being nominated for deletion is a matter of serious concern.

In March, 2006, Paul Rubin, who posts on Wikipedia as "Phr", deleted
my biographies of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand
Vijjuprabha, and Geoffrey Borg. I doubt that Paul Rubin even knew who
these people are. They are the most important chess officials in their
respective countries. Thus, they are easily qualified to be listed on
Wikipedia. In addition, the USCF had nominated these four people as
candidates for election to the FIDE Board, Paul Rubin is an anti-USCF
person, which perhaps explains why he nominated them for deletion.

After I got these four biographies reinstated, Louis Blair wrote
letters to 19 known anti-chess and anti-Sam Sloan administrators
asking them to reinstate the removals of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar
Ingolotti, Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg. The result was that
one of those 19, an especially quarrelsome administrator named
User:Jzg a/k/a Guy Chapman, who spends all his time arguing with other
Wikipedia administrators:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JzG

The result was that User:JzG did not merely delete the biographies, he
"salted the earth", meaning that biographies of these four people can
never be re-instated again.

As a result, they lost the election. User:JzG also deleted the
biography of Robert Tanner.

Since Louis Blair has been known to claim that this was not the fault,
I call upon him now to write to User:JzG and ask him to un-salt the
earth on the biographies of *Julio Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand
Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg.

The point is that if somebody does not go in right now and defend Mig
Greengard, It is likely that he will be the subject of "salting the
earth".

Sam Sloan

At least your biography is safe, Sam. You made a place in hell for
yourself!

Sam,

I have seen a number of your postings about disagreements with the
Wikipedia people. This is understandable to me as they try to cover a
very broad range which necessarily means that they have to limit the
depth in any particular area.

However there is an obvious answer. Create a chess history Wiki
yourself, or with collaborators. It could have a companion Chess Theory
Wiki as well. To my knowledge, the software is free. I am surprised
this hasn't already been done. If we had a respectable, functional
USCF, this would be an excellent and appropriate project for them to pursue.

I see there is a limited Chess Wiki in Malaysia at:
http://wiki.gilachess.com/

There is a Chess Variants Wiki at: http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/

There appear to be several other minor efforts at chess wikis. So,
there is an open opportunity for a more comprehensive approach to a
Chess Wiki. Will anyone go for it?
--

Cordially,
Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C.

"By the way, where is the Promised Analysis of the Mottershead
Report?"



samsloan wrote:
Mig Greengard has been nominated for deletion on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mig_Greengard

Mig Greengard is definitely one of my favorite people. However, he
easily meets the standards of notability set for inclusion on
Wikipedia. Among many other things, he was director of the New York
Office of the Kasparov Chess Foundation and recently he was awarded
"Chess Journalist of the Year" by the Chess Journalists Association.

Being nominated for deletion is a matter of serious concern.

In March, 2006, Paul Rubin, who posts on Wikipedia as "Phr", deleted
my biographies of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand
Vijjuprabha, and Geoffrey Borg. I doubt that Paul Rubin even knew who
these people are. They are the most important chess officials in their
respective countries. Thus, they are easily qualified to be listed on
Wikipedia. In addition, the USCF had nominated these four people as
candidates for election to the FIDE Board, Paul Rubin is an anti-USCF
person, which perhaps explains why he nominated them for deletion.

After I got these four biographies reinstated, Louis Blair wrote
letters to 19 known anti-chess and anti-Sam Sloan administrators
asking them to reinstate the removals of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar
Ingolotti, Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg. The result was that
one of those 19, an especially quarrelsome administrator named
User:Jzg a/k/a Guy Chapman, who spends all his time arguing with other
Wikipedia administrators:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JzG

The result was that User:JzG did not merely delete the biographies, he
"salted the earth", meaning that biographies of these four people can
never be re-instated again.

As a result, they lost the election. User:JzG also deleted the
biography of Robert Tanner.

Since Louis Blair has been known to claim that this was not the fault,
I call upon him now to write to User:JzG and ask him to un-salt the
earth on the biographies of Julio Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand
Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg.

The point is that if somebody does not go in right now and defend Mig
Greengard, It is likely that he will be the subject of "salting the
earth".

Sam Sloan

samsloan ) (NNTP-Posting-Host:
69.120.149.154) wrote (Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:01:27 -0800 (PST)):

7 ...
7 After I got these four biographies reinstated, Louis Blair
7 wrote letters to 19 known anti-chess and anti-Sam
7 Sloan administrators asking them to reinstate the
7 removals of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar Ingolotti,
7 Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg. ...
7 ...

_
That is false.

_
samsloan ) (NNTP-Posting-Host:
69.120.149.154) wrote (Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:01:27 -0800 (PST)):

7 ...
7 Since Louis Blair has been known to claim that this was
7 not the fault, I call upon him now to write to User:JzG and
7 ask him to un-salt the earth on the biographies of *Julio
7 Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg.
7 ...

_
I call upon samsloan )
(NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.120.149.154) to stop making
false statements about me.

"Louis Blair" wrote in message
...
samsloan ) (NNTP-Posting-Host:
69.120.149.154) wrote (Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:01:27 -0800 (PST)):

7 ...
7 After I got these four biographies reinstated, Louis Blair
7 wrote letters to 19 known anti-chess and anti-Sam
7 Sloan administrators asking them to reinstate the
7 removals of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar Ingolotti,
7 Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg. ...
7 ...

_
That is false.

**But what did you do Louis? - you spent 30,000 words on the Fide-chess
newsgroup saying something, and no-one understands you still. You did do
something, right? Phil Innes

_
samsloan ) (NNTP-Posting-Host:
69.120.149.154) wrote (Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:01:27 -0800 (PST)):

7 ...
7 Since Louis Blair has been known to claim that this was
7 not the fault, I call upon him now to write to User:JzG and
7 ask him to un-salt the earth on the biographies of Julio
7 Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg.
7 ...

_
I call upon samsloan )
(NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.120.149.154) to stop making
false statements about me.

CEASE AND DESIST

I call upon samsloan to stop making false statements about me. -- Louis Blair

But what did you do Louis? -- Phil Innes

I, too, urge Sam Sloan to cease and desist
making any false statements about Louie Blair.
On the other hand, he ought to continue making
numerous true statements about the man.

As Myasoyedov wrote in Woe from Wit, "I will
tell such truth about you that lies will be eclipsed."

Without Louie, the truth suffices. One always
enjoys hearing him hiss as the holy water of veracity
sprays him.




Chess One wrote:
"Louis Blair" wrote in message
...
samsloan ) (NNTP-Posting-Host:
69.120.149.154) wrote (Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:01:27 -0800 (PST)):

7 ...
7 After I got these four biographies reinstated, Louis Blair
7 wrote letters to 19 known anti-chess and anti-Sam
7 Sloan administrators asking them to reinstate the
7 removals of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar Ingolotti,
7 Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg. ...
7 ...

_
That is false.

**But what did you do Louis? - you spent 30,000 words on the Fide-chess
newsgroup saying something, and no-one understands you still. You did do
something, right? Phil Innes

_
samsloan ) (NNTP-Posting-Host:
69.120.149.154) wrote (Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:01:27 -0800 (PST)):

7 ...
7 Since Louis Blair has been known to claim that this was
7 not the fault, I call upon him now to write to User:JzG and
7 ask him to un-salt the earth on the biographies of Julio
7 Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg.
7 ...

_
I call upon samsloan )
(NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.120.149.154) to stop making
false statements about me.

On Jan 6, 7:43 pm, Louis Blair wrote:
samsloan ) (NNTP-Posting-Host:
69.120.149.154) wrote (Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:01:27 -0800 (PST)):

7 ...
7 After I got these four biographies reinstated, Louis Blair
7 wrote letters to 19 known anti-chess and anti-Sam
7 Sloan administrators asking them to reinstate the
7 removals of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar Ingolotti,
7 Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg. ...
7 ...

_
That is false.

_
samsloan ) (NNTP-Posting-Host:
69.120.149.154) wrote (Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:01:27 -0800 (PST)):

7 ...
7 Since Louis Blair has been known to claim that this was
7 not the fault, I call upon him now to write to User:JzG and
7 ask him to un-salt the earth on the biographies of Julio
7 Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg.
7 ...

_
I call upon samsloan )
(NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.120.149.154) to stop making
false statements about me.

The record on Wikipedia clearly shows that Louis Blair wrote messages
to User:JzG and to 18 other Wikipedia administrators complaining about
my biographies of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand
Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg and that immediately thereafter User:JzG
not only deleted those four biographies but "salted the earth" so that
biographies of those four persons can never be posted again. Do you,
Louis Blair, deny writing such messages?

Apparently, you are playing games with words, saying that you did not
specifically request User:JzG to "salt the earth" with respect to
those four people. However, in view of the record of User:JzG of doing
that to other people, you obviously must have known that this was
going to be the consequence of your postings.

After a long struggle, I finally was able to get the earth "unsalted"
with respect to Ali Nihat Yazici, who, by the way, was the organizer
of the World Youth Championships recently concluded.

Since you, Louis Blair, are the person who caused this entire problem,
I am calling upon you to write to User:JzG and ask him to unsalt the
earth with respect to the other three biographies.

By the way, I have no connection with Julio Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand
Vijjuprabha or Geoffrey Borg. I have never knowingly met them. They
are not my friends or associates in any way. I just think that this
black mark on their names that was put there by Louis Blair should be
removed.

Sam Sloan

samsloan ) (NNTP-Posting-Host:
69.120.149.154) wrote (Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:29:58 -0800 (PST)):

7 The record on Wikipedia clearly shows that Louis Blair wrote
7 messages to User:JzG and to 18 other Wikipedia administrators
7 complaining about my biographies of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar
7 Ingolotti, Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg ...

_
No such record exists.

On Jan 7, 1:53 am, Louis Blair wrote:
samsloan ) (NNTP-Posting-Host:
69.120.149.154) wrote (Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:29:58 -0800 (PST)):

7 The record on Wikipedia clearly shows that Louis Blair wrote
7 messages to User:JzG and to 18 other Wikipedia administrators
7 complaining about my biographies of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar
7 Ingolotti, Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg ...

_
No such record exists.

What's the theory: is SS on drugs? Has SS confused
LB with another Wiki-salter? Is LB denying having
written under the moniker "JzG"? Or has the evidence
been destroyed, hence it no longer "exists"? Maybe
SS's count was off, so he is wrong by virtue of poor
arithmetic?

The more I learn about the way Wikipedia is managed,
the more I wonder that it has survived this long; I mean,
what if somebody "salted" Sam Sloan, but he later won
the world championship? According to the description
above, nobody could write about him, even as he
defeated GMs Kramnik and Anand in title defenses,
followed by a 6-0 walkover of Rybka 4.3.LK.

One thing is certain, however: it is not good for the
sole source of "information" in an encyclopedia to be
one rgc nutter. When nutters get involved, the result
is a profusion of biased opinions, often as not crowding
out any actual facts which might otherwise have crept
in.

In this thread, we have an accusation by SS, followed
by an information-less denial by LB, followed up by a
pile-on by the Evans ratpack. Nobody expects SS to
back up his accusation or even provide a link; nobody
can decipher the cryptic denial; and all that seems to
matter is personal feelings of ratpacker-loyalty.

I would have preferred a summary by nearly-Innes,
indicating what /he thought/ was the participation of
LB in the matter, and a no-nonsense response from
LB (i.e. Sam Sloan is a nutcase, who has me
confused with Jessabelle George, aka JzG). What a
bunch of nutters.


-- hep blot

On Jan 7, 2:41*am, help bot wrote:
On Jan 7, 1:53 am, Louis Blair wrote:

samsloan ) (NNTP-Posting-Host:
69.120.149.154) wrote (Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:29:58 -0800 (PST)):

7 The record on Wikipedia clearly shows that Louis Blair wrote
7 messages to User:JzG and to 18 other Wikipedia administrators
7 complaining about my biographies of Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar
7 Ingolotti, Panupand Vijjuprabha and Geoffrey Borg ...

_
No such record exists.

* What's the theory: is SS on drugs? *Has SS confused
LB with another Wiki-salter? *Is LB denying having
written under the moniker "JzG"? *Or has the evidence
been destroyed, hence it no longer "exists"? *Maybe
SS's count was off, so he is wrong by virtue of poor
arithmetic?

* The more I learn about the way Wikipedia is managed,
the more I wonder that it has survived this long; I mean,
what if somebody "salted" Sam Sloan, but he later won
the world championship? *According to the description
above, nobody could write about him, even as he
defeated GMs Kramnik and Anand in title defenses,
followed by a 6-0 walkover of Rybka 4.3.LK.

* One thing is certain, however: it is not good for the
sole source of "information" in an encyclopedia to be
one rgc nutter. *When nutters get involved, the result
is a profusion of biased opinions, often as not crowding
out any actual facts which might otherwise have crept
in.

* In this thread, we have an accusation by SS, followed
by an information-less denial by LB, followed up by a
pile-on by the Evans ratpack. *Nobody expects SS to
back up his accusation or even provide a link; nobody
can decipher the cryptic denial; and all that seems to
matter is personal feelings of ratpacker-loyalty.

* I would have preferred a summary by nearly-Innes,
indicating what /he thought/ was the participation of
LB in the matter, and a no-nonsense response from
LB (i.e. Sam Sloan is a nutcase, who has me
confused with Jessabelle George, aka JzG). *What a
bunch of nutters.

* -- hep blot

Help bot is improving his style. He must be thinking about that job
Kirsan offered him. The last employee
Actually got to meet Sadam Hussein, but he died in a car bomb. Help
bot finally makes a little sense.
The conflict can make a crazy poster sane, and bring out the best in
us.

I think that this chess war did r.g.c.p good, in the quality of our
regular posters. We all seem to work harder when everyone
Is watching - or has the potential to watch - very soon. At the end,
the fake posters will loose confidence, with the FBI
and all, and what is left several quality intelligence analysts, and
one **** vat operator in Indiana :-)



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