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J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: On Feb 7, 12:56 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote: What is perjury? As a novice in matters of law, I looked it up at the Wikipedia site to get a basic understanding. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury) If any of our more knowledgeable readers cares to elaborate, I'd be appreciative. I am hoping that the USCF Imposter(s) make it to the witness stand and lie under oath. Then hopefully he/she/they will be unmasked, convicted of perjury and sent to prison. That would be a fitting end to all the trouble he/she/they have caused. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. Paul can't testify. He will take the fifth amendment. EVEN if he is innocent, the statements he makes can be used against him. Paul Truong has no business answering questions. Marcus Roberts So you can take the fifth in civil cases too? I didn't know that. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. No. There is no privilege against self-incrimination in civil cases. You can refuse to answer and lose your case. Basically, the theory is that if you want to come into civil court you shouldn't have done something you're not willing to be deposed about. Well, this is a bit confusing... I looked at "self-incrimination" at the Wikipedia site and encountered these definitions, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-in...-incrimination) * Barron's Law Dictionary (USA): SELF-INCRIMINATION, PRIVILEGE AGAINST the constitutional right of a person to refuse to answer questions or otherwise give testimony against himself or herself which will subject him or her to an incrimination. This right under the Fifth Amendment (often called simply PLEADING THE FIFTH) is now applicable to the states through the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, 378 U.S. 1,8, and is applicable in any situation, civil or criminal where the state attempts to compel incriminating testimony. (There are many caveats following this section.) * Black's Law Dictionary (USA): SELF-INCRIMINATION: Acts or declarations either as testimony at trial or prior to trial by which one implicates himself in a crime. The Fifth Amendment, U.S. Const. as well as provisions in many state constitutions and laws, prohibit the government from requiring a person to be a witness against himself involuntarily or to furnish evidence against himself. (There are links to other related subjects: Compulsory self-incrimination; Link-in-chain; Privilege against self-incrimination.) === The first definition states that civil cases are included while the second omits it. Apparently this is not a straightforward question with a simple answer! However, as a layman, I tend to believe that John is correct in the sense that if a defendant repeatedly used the 5th in a civil case he would be dooming himself/herself to loss of the case with possibly significant monetary damages. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. What you're missing is that, in a "civil" case as the term is generally understood, the _government_ is not trying to compel testimony. The other party to the case is. The 5th Amendment and other Constitutional prohibitions apply to the Federal government, and via the 14th, to the states. Not to private individuals. |
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On Feb 8, 5:30 pm, wrote:
J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: On Feb 7, 12:56 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote: What is perjury? As a novice in matters of law, I looked it up at the Wikipedia site to get a basic understanding. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury) If any of our more knowledgeable readers cares to elaborate, I'd be appreciative. I am hoping that the USCF Imposter(s) make it to the witness stand and lie under oath. Then hopefully he/she/they will be unmasked, convicted of perjury and sent to prison. That would be a fitting end to all the trouble he/she/they have caused. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. Paul can't testify. He will take the fifth amendment. EVEN if he is innocent, the statements he makes can be used against him. Paul Truong has no business answering questions. Marcus Roberts So you can take the fifth in civil cases too? I didn't know that. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. No. There is no privilege against self-incrimination in civil cases. You can refuse to answer and lose your case. Basically, the theory is that if you want to come into civil court you shouldn't have done something you're not willing to be deposed about. Well, this is a bit confusing... I looked at "self-incrimination" at the Wikipedia site and encountered these definitions, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-in...efinitions_of_...) * Barron's Law Dictionary (USA): SELF-INCRIMINATION, PRIVILEGE AGAINST the constitutional right of a person to refuse to answer questions or otherwise give testimony against himself or herself which will subject him or her to an incrimination. This right under the Fifth Amendment (often called simply PLEADING THE FIFTH) is now applicable to the states through the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, 378 U.S. 1,8, and is applicable in any situation, civil or criminal where the state attempts to compel incriminating testimony. (There are many caveats following this section.) * Black's Law Dictionary (USA): SELF-INCRIMINATION: Acts or declarations either as testimony at trial or prior to trial by which one implicates himself in a crime. The Fifth Amendment, U.S. Const. as well as provisions in many state constitutions and laws, prohibit the government from requiring a person to be a witness against himself involuntarily or to furnish evidence against himself. (There are links to other related subjects: Compulsory self-incrimination; Link-in-chain; Privilege against self-incrimination.) === The first definition states that civil cases are included while the second omits it. Apparently this is not a straightforward question with a simple answer! However, as a layman, I tend to believe that John is correct in the sense that if a defendant repeatedly used the 5th in a civil case he would be dooming himself/herself to loss of the case with possibly significant monetary damages. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. What you're missing is that, in a "civil" case as the term is generally understood, the _government_ is not trying to compel testimony. The other party to the case is. The 5th Amendment and other Constitutional prohibitions apply to the Federal government, and via the 14th, to the states. Not to private individuals. John, now that we have that straight, could you explain to Paul Truong's pet 'journalist' that Constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure don't apply to FIDE drug testing? The Brattleboro Bedlam still doesn't understand that point. |
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The Historian wrote: On Feb 8, 5:30 pm, wrote: J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: On Feb 7, 12:56 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote: What is perjury? As a novice in matters of law, I looked it up at the Wikipedia site to get a basic understanding. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury) If any of our more knowledgeable readers cares to elaborate, I'd be appreciative. I am hoping that the USCF Imposter(s) make it to the witness stand and lie under oath. Then hopefully he/she/they will be unmasked, convicted of perjury and sent to prison. That would be a fitting end to all the trouble he/she/they have caused. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. Paul can't testify. He will take the fifth amendment. EVEN if he is innocent, the statements he makes can be used against him. Paul Truong has no business answering questions. Marcus Roberts So you can take the fifth in civil cases too? I didn't know that. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. No. There is no privilege against self-incrimination in civil cases. You can refuse to answer and lose your case. Basically, the theory is that if you want to come into civil court you shouldn't have done something you're not willing to be deposed about. Well, this is a bit confusing... I looked at "self-incrimination" at the Wikipedia site and encountered these definitions, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-in...efinitions_of_...) * Barron's Law Dictionary (USA): SELF-INCRIMINATION, PRIVILEGE AGAINST the constitutional right of a person to refuse to answer questions or otherwise give testimony against himself or herself which will subject him or her to an incrimination. This right under the Fifth Amendment (often called simply PLEADING THE FIFTH) is now applicable to the states through the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, 378 U.S. 1,8, and is applicable in any situation, civil or criminal where the state attempts to compel incriminating testimony. (There are many caveats following this section.) * Black's Law Dictionary (USA): SELF-INCRIMINATION: Acts or declarations either as testimony at trial or prior to trial by which one implicates himself in a crime. The Fifth Amendment, U.S. Const. as well as provisions in many state constitutions and laws, prohibit the government from requiring a person to be a witness against himself involuntarily or to furnish evidence against himself. (There are links to other related subjects: Compulsory self-incrimination; Link-in-chain; Privilege against self-incrimination.) === The first definition states that civil cases are included while the second omits it. Apparently this is not a straightforward question with a simple answer! However, as a layman, I tend to believe that John is correct in the sense that if a defendant repeatedly used the 5th in a civil case he would be dooming himself/herself to loss of the case with possibly significant monetary damages. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. What you're missing is that, in a "civil" case as the term is generally understood, the _government_ is not trying to compel testimony. The other party to the case is. The 5th Amendment and other Constitutional prohibitions apply to the Federal government, and via the 14th, to the states. Not to private individuals. John, now that we have that straight, could you explain to Paul Truong's pet 'journalist' that Constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure don't apply to FIDE drug testing? The Brattleboro Bedlam still doesn't understand that point. I've never had much success communicating with Phil. You are obviously correct that constitutional protections do not apply because FIDE is not a government. If you don't want to be tested, you can walk away. (And should, in my opinion. F/IW.) There might be some state or local laws on the subject, however. Question: Has FIDE ever even done any drug testing in the US? I've never heard of it happening. |
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On Feb 9, 2:23 am, wrote:
The Historian wrote: On Feb 8, 5:30 pm, wrote: J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: On Feb 7, 12:56 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote: What is perjury? As a novice in matters of law, I looked it up at the Wikipedia site to get a basic understanding. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury) If any of our more knowledgeable readers cares to elaborate, I'd be appreciative. I am hoping that the USCF Imposter(s) make it to the witness stand and lie under oath. Then hopefully he/she/they will be unmasked, convicted of perjury and sent to prison. That would be a fitting end to all the trouble he/she/they have caused. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. Paul can't testify. He will take the fifth amendment. EVEN if he is innocent, the statements he makes can be used against him. Paul Truong has no business answering questions. Marcus Roberts So you can take the fifth in civil cases too? I didn't know that. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. No. There is no privilege against self-incrimination in civil cases. You can refuse to answer and lose your case. Basically, the theory is that if you want to come into civil court you shouldn't have done something you're not willing to be deposed about. Well, this is a bit confusing... I looked at "self-incrimination" at the Wikipedia site and encountered these definitions, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-in...efinitions_of_...) * Barron's Law Dictionary (USA): SELF-INCRIMINATION, PRIVILEGE AGAINST the constitutional right of a person to refuse to answer questions or otherwise give testimony against himself or herself which will subject him or her to an incrimination. This right under the Fifth Amendment (often called simply PLEADING THE FIFTH) is now applicable to the states through the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, 378 U.S. 1,8, and is applicable in any situation, civil or criminal where the state attempts to compel incriminating testimony. (There are many caveats following this section.) * Black's Law Dictionary (USA): SELF-INCRIMINATION: Acts or declarations either as testimony at trial or prior to trial by which one implicates himself in a crime. The Fifth Amendment, U.S. Const. as well as provisions in many state constitutions and laws, prohibit the government from requiring a person to be a witness against himself involuntarily or to furnish evidence against himself. (There are links to other related subjects: Compulsory self-incrimination; Link-in-chain; Privilege against self-incrimination.) === The first definition states that civil cases are included while the second omits it. Apparently this is not a straightforward question with a simple answer! However, as a layman, I tend to believe that John is correct in the sense that if a defendant repeatedly used the 5th in a civil case he would be dooming himself/herself to loss of the case with possibly significant monetary damages. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. What you're missing is that, in a "civil" case as the term is generally understood, the _government_ is not trying to compel testimony. The other party to the case is. The 5th Amendment and other Constitutional prohibitions apply to the Federal government, and via the 14th, to the states. Not to private individuals. John, now that we have that straight, could you explain to Paul Truong's pet 'journalist' that Constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure don't apply to FIDE drug testing? The Brattleboro Bedlam still doesn't understand that point. I've never had much success communicating with Phil. Few have. You are obviously correct that constitutional protections do not apply because FIDE is not a government. If you don't want to be tested, you can walk away. (And should, in my opinion. F/IW.) Mine as well. There might be some state or local laws on the subject, however. Question: Has FIDE ever even done any drug testing in the US? I've never heard of it happening. I haven't heard of it either. |
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On Feb 8, 4:30*pm, wrote:
J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: On Feb 7, 12:56 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote: What is perjury? *As a novice in matters of law, I looked it up at the Wikipedia site to get a basic understanding. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury) If any of our more knowledgeable readers cares to elaborate, I'd be appreciative. *I am hoping that the USCF Imposter(s) make it to the witness stand and lie under oath. *Then hopefully he/she/they will be unmasked, convicted of perjury and sent to prison. *That would be a fitting end to all the trouble he/she/they have caused. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. Paul can't testify. He will take the fifth amendment. EVEN if he is innocent, the statements he makes can be used against him. Paul Truong has no business answering questions. Marcus Roberts So you can take the fifth in civil cases too? *I didn't know that. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. No. There is no privilege against self-incrimination in civil cases. You can refuse to answer and lose your case. Basically, the theory is that if you want to come into civil court you shouldn't have done something you're not willing to be deposed about. Well, this is a bit confusing... *I looked at "self-incrimination" at the Wikipedia site and encountered these definitions, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-in...efinitions_of_....) * * ** Barron's Law Dictionary (USA): * * *SELF-INCRIMINATION, PRIVILEGE AGAINST the constitutional right of a person to refuse to answer questions or otherwise give testimony against himself or herself which will subject him or her to an incrimination. This right under the Fifth Amendment (often called simply PLEADING THE FIFTH) is now applicable to the states through the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, 378 U.S. 1,8, and is applicable in any situation, civil or criminal where the state attempts to compel incriminating testimony. (There are many caveats following this section.) * * ** Black's Law Dictionary (USA): * * *SELF-INCRIMINATION: Acts or declarations either as testimony at trial or prior to trial by which one implicates himself in a crime. The Fifth Amendment, U.S. Const. as well as provisions in many state constitutions and laws, prohibit the government from requiring a person to be a witness against himself involuntarily or to furnish evidence against himself. (There are links to other related subjects: Compulsory self-incrimination; Link-in-chain; Privilege against self-incrimination.) === The first definition states that civil cases are included while the second omits it. *Apparently this is not a straightforward question with a simple answer! However, as a layman, I tend to believe that John is correct in the sense that if a defendant repeatedly used the 5th in a civil case he would be dooming himself/herself to loss of the case with possibly significant monetary damages. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. What you're missing is that, in a "civil" case as the term is generally understood, the _government_ is not trying to compel testimony. The other party to the case is. The 5th Amendment and other Constitutional prohibitions apply to the Federal government, and via the 14th, to the states. Not to private individuals.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK, you can believe what you want to, but I have seen 5th amendment claims in Sam Sloan's own depositions, and what you are describing is not reality. You just make **** up, so you can feel smart. |
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wrote: On Feb 8, 4:30�pm, wrote: J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: On Feb 7, 12:56 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote: What is perjury? �As a novice in matters of law, I looked it up at the Wikipedia site to get a basic understanding. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury) If any of our more knowledgeable readers cares to elaborate, I'd be appreciative. �I am hoping that the USCF Imposter(s) make it to the witness stand and lie under oath. �Then hopefully he/she/they will be unmasked, convicted of perjury and sent to prison. �That would be a fitting end to all the trouble he/she/they have caused. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. Paul can't testify. He will take the fifth amendment. EVEN if he is innocent, the statements he makes can be used against him. Paul Truong has no business answering questions. Marcus Roberts So you can take the fifth in civil cases too? �I didn't know that. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. No. There is no privilege against self-incrimination in civil cases. You can refuse to answer and lose your case. Basically, the theory is that if you want to come into civil court you shouldn't have done something you're not willing to be deposed about. Well, this is a bit confusing... �I looked at "self-incrimination" at the Wikipedia site and encountered these definitions, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-in...efinitions_of_....) � � �* Barron's Law Dictionary (USA): � � �SELF-INCRIMINATION, PRIVILEGE AGAINST the constitutional right of a person to refuse to answer questions or otherwise give testimony against himself or herself which will subject him or her to an incrimination. This right under the Fifth Amendment (often called simply PLEADING THE FIFTH) is now applicable to the states through the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, 378 U.S. 1,8, and is applicable in any situation, civil or criminal where the state attempts to compel incriminating testimony. (There are many caveats following this section.) � � �* Black's Law Dictionary (USA): � � �SELF-INCRIMINATION: Acts or declarations either as testimony at trial or prior to trial by which one implicates himself in a crime. The Fifth Amendment, U.S. Const. as well as provisions in many state constitutions and laws, prohibit the government from requiring a person to be a witness against himself involuntarily or to furnish evidence against himself. (There are links to other related subjects: Compulsory self-incrimination; Link-in-chain; Privilege against self-incrimination.) === The first definition states that civil cases are included while the second omits it. �Apparently this is not a straightforward question with a simple answer! However, as a layman, I tend to believe that John is correct in the sense that if a defendant repeatedly used the 5th in a civil case he would be dooming himself/herself to loss of the case with possibly significant monetary damages. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. What you're missing is that, in a "civil" case as the term is generally understood, the _government_ is not trying to compel testimony. The other party to the case is. The 5th Amendment and other Constitutional prohibitions apply to the Federal government, and via the 14th, to the states. Not to private individuals.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK, you can believe what you want to, but I have seen 5th amendment claims in Sam Sloan's own depositions, and what you are describing is not reality. You just make **** up, so you can feel smart. Can't someone get this squirrel bait off the streets? |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 7, 10:17 pm, wrote: J.D. Walker wrote: wrote: On Feb 7, 12:56 pm, "J.D. Walker" wrote: What is perjury? As a novice in matters of law, I looked it up at the Wikipedia site to get a basic understanding. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury) If any of our more knowledgeable readers cares to elaborate, I'd be appreciative. I am hoping that the USCF Imposter(s) make it to the witness stand and lie under oath. Then hopefully he/she/they will be unmasked, convicted of perjury and sent to prison. That would be a fitting end to all the trouble he/she/they have caused. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. Paul can't testify. He will take the fifth amendment. EVEN if he is innocent, the statements he makes can be used against him. Paul Truong has no business answering questions. Marcus Roberts So you can take the fifth in civil cases too? I didn't know that. -- Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. No. There is no privilege against self-incrimination in civil cases. You can refuse to answer and lose your case. Basically, the theory is that if you want to come into civil court you shouldn't have done something you're not willing to be deposed about.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cite OJ Simpson case. OJ was not tried criminally until the civil case concluded. A defense may be maintained even though the fifth amendment is invoked. You are wrong, OJ was tried in Crimminal Court long before there was any civil action. Generally civil actions cannot proceed if there is a crimminal case ongoing. OJ cannot be compelled to testify against himself by the government, however in civil cases he can because he's not at risk of his liberty and it was a private suit not a government action. The standards of proof are much different also. It's much more difficult to get a guilty verdict in crimminal court than in civil court. I have had similar issues in litigation myself over my wealth. When you serve as an ambassador in wartime, you get sued in civil matters, you earn over a million dollars, you would be suprised how the world really works, chess player. Marcus Roberts Marcus ole boy, things are a bit different up here on the mainland than they are down in the islands. Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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On Feb 10, 7:13 pm, wrote:
OK, you can believe what you want to, but I have seen 5th amendment claims in Sam Sloan's own depositions, and what you are describing is not reality. You just make **** up, so you can feel smart. I have never taken the Fifth Amendment. Sam Sloan |
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On Feb 28, 3:48*am, samsloan wrote:
On Feb 10, 7:13 pm, wrote: OK, you can believe what you want to, but I have seen 5th amendment claims in Sam Sloan's own depositions, and what you are describing is not reality. You just make **** up, so you can feel smart. I have never taken the Fifth Amendment. Sam Sloan Do you even know when it would apply? |
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