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Suzie Chesspiece Tangles With Randy Bauer



 
 
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Old February 17th 08, 06:08 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
Brian Lafferty
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Default Suzie Chesspiece Tangles With Randy Bauer

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200802686
Date

2008-02-01
From

SusanPolgar
Status

Standard Release
Release Date

2008-02-06
Subject

Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board Status


* To: randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx, Chessoffice@xxxxxxx,
joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, CHESSJOEL@xxxxxxx, randallhough@xxxxxxxxx,
JABerryCG@xxxxxxx, bhall@xxxxxxxxxxx
* Subject: Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board
Status
* From: SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx
* Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:56:24 EST
* Cc: Paultruong@xxxxxxx, USCF BINFO System, queencapa@xxxxxxx,
jbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, karl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO Systemxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO System

You have no sufficient evidence for any of these charges. After more
than four months of investigation and wasting tens and thousands dollars
of USCF money, you still have nothing. The evidence which was sent to
Mr. Kronenberger was more than enough to show that the report had the
wrong conclusion.

- The board majority refused to allow our experts to examine the data
for more than 4 months.
- The board majority refused to investigate wrong doings by the USCF
contractors and members of the board majority.
- The board majority refused to investigate leaks of confidential
information as well as the "unauthorized secret negotiation" between
Jerry Hanken and Sam Sloan using confidential board information in the
middle of a lawsuit.
- The board majority refused to open up all records for independent
investigation.

The USCF is losing money and we have financial problems. Instead of
focusing on promoting the USCF positively to gain more members and raise
much needed revenues, you want to focus on this complete garbage.

But if this is the game you want to play, you may as well vote to remove
my title as Chairman as well. If this board passes this motion to remove
Paul and not me, I will also step down as Chairman since I am involved
in this legal situation just like all seven members of the board
including you.

I will help you publicize your votes since I am sure you want all
members to know about your plans. While you are at it, do you want to
vote to exclude us from the board meeting tomorrow and Sunday? What is
next? You cannot have a double standard unless you know something I do not.

Susan Polgar


In a message dated 2/1/2008 5:05:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,
randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Committee members,

Given the current legal issues surrounding Paul and the USCF, I make the
following Committee motion and vote yes:

I move that the Committee recommend that Paul Truong's title as Vice
President Marketing and Communications be removed. I further move that
the Committee recommend that Paul Truong be removed as liaison to any
and all board or delegate appointed USCF committees.

Randy Bauer



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200802688
Date

2008-02-01
From

SusanPolgar
Status

Standard Release
Release Date

2008-02-06
Subject

Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board Status


* To: randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx, Chessoffice@xxxxxxx,
joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, CHESSJOEL@xxxxxxx, randallhough@xxxxxxxxx,
JABerryCG@xxxxxxx, bhall@xxxxxxxxxxx
* Subject: Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board
Status
* From: SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx
* Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:14:01 EST
* Cc: Paultruong@xxxxxxx, USCF BINFO System, queencapa@xxxxxxx,
jbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, karl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO Systemxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO System

In a message dated 2/1/2008 5:05:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,
randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Committee members,

Given the current legal issues surrounding Paul and the USCF, I make the
following Committee motion and vote yes:

I move that the Committee recommend that Paul Truong's title as Vice
President Marketing and Communications be removed. I further move that
the Committee recommend that Paul Truong be removed as liaison to any
and all board or delegate appointed USCF committees.

Randy Bauer
No.

www.SusanPolgar.com
www.SusanPolgarBlog.com
www.PolgarChess.com


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200802693
Date

2008-02-01
From

SusanPolgar
Status

Standard Release
Release Date

2008-02-06
Subject

Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board Status


* To: randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx, Chessoffice@xxxxxxx,
joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, CHESSJOEL@xxxxxxx, randallhough@xxxxxxxxx,
JABerryCG@xxxxxxx, bhall@xxxxxxxxxxx
* Subject: Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board
Status
* From: SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx
* Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:36:30 EST
* Cc: Paultruong@xxxxxxx, USCF BINFO System, queencapa@xxxxxxx,
jbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, karl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO Systemxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO System

I thought you agreed to step down from the subcomittee? Have you changed
your mind?

Susan Polgar

In a message dated 2/1/2008 10:30:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,
randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Susan,

This is a public vote of the Committee, and because you are not a
member, your vote does not count. You and Paul were cc'd as a courtesy.
If the Committee vote passes, you will have an opportunity to vote on
it at the Executive Board meeting tomorrow or Sunday.

Randy Bauer



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200802696
Date

2008-02-02
From

SusanPolgar
Status

Standard Release
Release Date

2008-02-06
Subject

Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board Status


* To: randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx, Chessoffice@xxxxxxx,
joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, CHESSJOEL@xxxxxxx, randallhough@xxxxxxxxx,
JABerryCG@xxxxxxx, bhall@xxxxxxxxxxx
* Subject: Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board
Status
* From: SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx
* Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:26:33 EST
* Cc: Paultruong@xxxxxxx, USCF BINFO System, queencapa@xxxxxxx,
jbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, karl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO Systemxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO System

Then he should have asked for more. He never did. In fact, no one did.
All we got was an email confirming that he received the evidence. There
has been absolutely no communication since. Even after I said that we
could provide more evidence if needed, no one asked. This is exactly
what I have stated repeatedly.

I have not questioned your character. I just believe that you made a
series of wrong decisions which will effect the future of this
federation. I hope that I am wrong. However, I do strongly question the
motives of others.

If you take no joy on being on the board then please feel free to
resign. After seeing how some board members have behaved in the past few
months, I strongly feel that I must fight this all the way for the sake
of this federation and its members. They deserve better.

Susan Polgar

In a message dated 2/1/2008 11:14:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,
randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Susan,

Mr. Kronenberger, a well established attorney with a national
reputation, has advised us that what was sent to him was NOT "more than
enough to show that the report had the wrong conclusion." He has no
"dog in this fight" and I will continue to guide my actions as an
officer of the USCF based on his, not your, counsel.

I have no "plans" other than to hope that the USCF survives this very
unfortunate period. I have a pretty good idea what really caused it,
and I am confident that I had nothing to do with it. Given that I have
absolutely NO plans to serve on this Board past the term for which I was
elected, I assure you publicizing my actions in the way that you tend to
characterize actions of others will have no effect on me.

Randy Bauer


I was asked not to do so by members of the Committee. Believe me, I
take no joy in any role on this Committee or the Executive Board, for
that matter. Susan, if you and Paul want to step down from the Board in
return for my stepping down, I will do it immediately.

That said, if you and Paul wish to continue in your roles on the
Executive Board, then I will do so as well.

Randy Bauer


SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx wrote:
I thought you agreed to step down from the subcomittee? Have you changed
your mind?

Susan Polgar


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BINFO

200802698
Date

2008-02-02
From

SusanPolgar
Status

Standard Release
Release Date

2008-02-07
Subject

Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board Status


* To: randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx, Chessoffice@xxxxxxx,
joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, CHESSJOEL@xxxxxxx, randallhough@xxxxxxxxx,
JABerryCG@xxxxxxx, bhall@xxxxxxxxxxx
* Subject: Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board
Status
* From: SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx
* Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:03:28 EST
* Cc: Paultruong@xxxxxxx, USCF BINFO System, queencapa@xxxxxxx,
jbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, karl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO Systemxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO System

Randy,

Even though I strongly disagreed with you on many issues, I had no
problem with you being on the subcommittee. In fact, we suggested for
you to be the committee chair. However, once the fiasco with the NY
Times situation took place, I no longer feel that you can be on the
subcommittee.

The conflict is quite simple. You did something that affected the
personal, professional and financial welfare of your fellow board
members. You repeatedly denied that you did anything wrong when I
clearly told you that I could document the time line of what took place.

You then later apologized for your misconduct which is commendable but
the serious damages already occurred. Your actions potentially created
new legal problems for the USCF and I strongly feel that you should no
longer be in the position to influence the outcome. Once again, I
sincerely hope that you will agree to step down from the subcommittee to
avoid any potential conflict of interest.

Susan Polgar

In a message dated 2/1/2008 11:44:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Susan,

On your chess blog you wrote that I have a conflict of interest. Do you
understand what you are implying? Conflict of interest means that I may
be acting for my own benefit rather than the Federation's. What on
earth leads you to that conclusion? What on earth leads you to think
this is not potentially damaging to me in terms of my professional and
personal reputation?

You know, I am a public figure too and have a multi-million dollar
business plan that relies on people believing in my character and
credibility. You, too, need to take greater care in how you write about
others in public forums. I will also not allow my reputation to be
smeared. These are two way streets.

Randy Bauer



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BINFO

200802700
Date

2008-02-02
From

SusanPolgar
Status

Standard Release
Release Date

2008-02-07
Subject

Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board Status


* To: randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx, Chessoffice@xxxxxxx,
joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, CHESSJOEL@xxxxxxx, randallhough@xxxxxxxxx,
JABerryCG@xxxxxxx, bhall@xxxxxxxxxxx
* Subject: Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board
Status
* From: SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx
* Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:07:43 EST
* Cc: Paultruong@xxxxxxx, USCF BINFO System, queencapa@xxxxxxx,
jbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, karl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO Systemxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO System

Randy,

I did not say that making a serious error which clearly affected your
fellow board members personally, professionally and financially is a
conflict of interest. I also did not say that your repeat denial that
you did nothing wrong then later admitted that you made a horrible
mistake is a conflict of interest. Both were errors in judgment.
Nevertheless, they were serious errors which affected others in a number
of ways.

Because of your series of mistakes, you potentially created new legal
problems for the federation and yourself and I strongly feel that you
should no longer be in the position to influence the outcome which could
affect you.

Due to the extremely sensitive nature of this matter which is not
helping the USCF whatsoever, there is no reason to make things more
heated by staying on the subcommittee when it is best to avoid any
possible conflict of interest. Even your own attorney recommended that
the subcommittee could have 3-5 members as you mentioned during the
meeting in Crossville. There is no need to have all 5 members.

When this was initially brought up, you immediately agreed to step down.
This could potentially help resolve this mess a lot faster which would
be in the best interest of the federation. I hope you will still agree
to do so. You have the last word.

Susan Polgar


In a message dated 2/2/2008 12:21:21 A.M. Central Standard Time,
randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Susan,

What you describe may have been characterized as an error in judgement.
It is NOT a conflict of interest. You should consult an attorney as
to the meaning of the phrase and the possible ramifications of your claims.

Your choosing to describe it as such - and continuing to leave it on
your website -- is documented.

Randy Bauer


SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx wrote:
Randy,

Even though I strongly disagreed with you on many issues, I had no
problem with you being on the subcommittee. In fact, we suggested for
you to be the committee chair. However, once the fiasco with the NY
Times situation took place, I no longer feel that you can be on the
subcommittee.

The conflict is quite simple. You did something that affected the
personal, professional and financial welfare of your fellow board
members. You repeatedly denied that you did anything wrong when I
clearly told you that I could document the time line of what took place.

You then later apologized for your misconduct which is commendable but
the serious damages already occurred. Your actions potentially created
new legal problems for the USCF and I strongly feel that you should no
longer be in the position to influence the outcome. Once again, I
sincerely hope that you will agree to step down from the subcommittee to
avoid any potential conflict of interest.

Susan Polgar



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BINFO

200802702
Date

2008-02-02
From

SusanPolgar
Status

Standard Release
Release Date

2008-02-07
Subject

Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board Status


* To: randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx, Chessoffice@xxxxxxx,
joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, CHESSJOEL@xxxxxxx, randallhough@xxxxxxxxx,
JABerryCG@xxxxxxx, bhall@xxxxxxxxxxx
* Subject: Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board
Status
* From: SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx
* Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:16:32 EST
* Cc: Paultruong@xxxxxxx, USCF BINFO System, queencapa@xxxxxxx,
jbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, karl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO Systemxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO System

As I said, you have the last word. I am done with this issue. I look
forward to your official resignation from the subcommittee as you have
clearly indicated in writing.

Susan Polgar

In a message dated 2/2/2008 1:09:52 A.M. Central Standard Time,
randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx writes:
Susan,

Since you go through a long list of things you didn't say, please
explain, for the record, what you did say - that I had a "conflict of
interest."

Randy Bauer



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200802713
Date

2008-02-02
From

SusanPolgar
Status

Standard Release
Release Date

2008-02-07
Subject

Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board Status-Jim


* To: randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx, Chessoffice@xxxxxxx,
joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, CHESSJOEL@xxxxxxx, randallhough@xxxxxxxxx,
bhall@xxxxxxxxxxx
* Subject: Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board
Status-Jim
* From: SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx
* Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:54:38 EST
* Cc: JABerryCG@xxxxxxx, Paultruong@xxxxxxx, USCF BINFO System,
queencapa@xxxxxxx, jbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, karl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO Systemxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO System

Congratulations! Then once it is official, remove me as Chairman as well.

Susan Polgar

In a message dated 2/2/2008 10:53:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx writes:
The Committee motion has passed, 4-1. I will make this motion at the
beginning of today's executive board meeting.

Randy Bauer




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200802716
Date

2008-02-02
From

SusanPolgar
Status

Standard Release
Release Date

2008-02-07
Subject

Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board Status-Jim


* To: randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx, Chessoffice@xxxxxxx,
joel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, CHESSJOEL@xxxxxxx, randallhough@xxxxxxxxx,
bhall@xxxxxxxxxxx
* Subject: Committee motion pertaining to Paul Truong's Board
Status-Jim
* From: SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx
* Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:59:37 EST
* Cc: JABerryCG@xxxxxxx, Paultruong@xxxxxxx, USCF BINFO System,
queencapa@xxxxxxx, jbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, karl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO Systemxxxxxxxxx
* Delivered-to: USCF BINFO System

Then remove me since you feel that way.

Susan Polgar

In a message dated 2/2/2008 10:57:45 A.M. Central Standard Time,
randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx writes:
That isn't part of the motion, although, quite frankly, if the Chairman
of General Motors was making quotes about how little value people get
from buying their cars, I don't think he would be chairman very long.

SusanPolgar@xxxxxxx wrote:
Congratulations! Then once it is official, remove me as Chairman as well.

Susan Polgar


In a message dated 2/2/2008 10:53:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
randybauer2300@xxxxxxxxx writes:
The Committee motion has passed, 4-1. I will make this motion at the
beginning of today's executive board meeting.

Randy Bauer




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Old February 17th 08, 07:42 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
Mike Murray
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Default Suzie Chesspiece Tangles With Randy Bauer

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:08:08 GMT, Brian Lafferty
wrote:

snip

Polgar's repeated misuse of the phrase "conflict of interest", then
arguing about it after the misuse has been pointed out, is surprising.
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Old February 17th 08, 08:36 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
Brian Lafferty
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Mike Murray wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:08:08 GMT, Brian Lafferty
wrote:

snip

Polgar's repeated misuse of the phrase "conflict of interest", then
arguing about it after the misuse has been pointed out, is surprising.


Brilliance in chess does not translate into all intellectual endeavors.
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Old February 18th 08, 12:34 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
jeremy.p.spinrad@vanderbilt.edu
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On Feb 17, 12:42*pm, Mike Murray wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:08:08 GMT, Brian Lafferty

wrote:

snip

Polgar's repeated misuse of the phrase "conflict of interest", then
arguing about it after the misuse has been pointed out, is surprising.


I would give her a break on the first part of this one. She is a non-
native speaker, and I have even seen journalists confuse the
distinction between may be biased as opposed to having a conflict of
interest. She should, however, acknowledge that she made the wrong
choice of words.

Jerry Spinrad
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Old February 18th 08, 02:06 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
Mike Murray
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Default Suzie Chesspiece Tangles With Randy Bauer

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:34:47 -0800 (PST),
"
wrote:


Polgar's repeated misuse of the phrase "conflict of interest", then
arguing about it after the misuse has been pointed out, is surprising.


I would give her a break on the first part of this one. She is a non-
native speaker, and I have even seen journalists confuse the
distinction between may be biased as opposed to having a conflict of
interest. She should, however, acknowledge that she made the wrong
choice of words.


Sure. "Conflict of interest" could easily be taken to mean "a
closed-minded interest in defending a past decision contrary to
evidence". It just seemed surprising that she didn't flash on the
possibility that the phrase had a more technical meaning (and use
Google to see what that meaning was) when the other party so obviously
boggled at the charge.
 




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