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Old March 4th 08, 02:30 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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IS CHESS DYING?

This topic is addressed in chapter 15 of THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by
GM Larry Evans.

Also see: http://tinyurl.com/2fdrth

Chess is different today. Now players have vast databases at their
fingertips and openings have been analyzed so extensively that master
games often begin in earnest after a dozen moves instead of move one.
Over 30 years ago Bobby saw the writing on the wall. "Someday
computers will make us all obsolete," he told me.
-- THE BOBBY FISCHER THAT WE LOVED (March Chess Life, page 19).




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Old March 4th 08, 02:47 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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On Mar 4, 9:30 am, " wrote:

Chess is different today. Now players have vast databases at their
fingertips and openings have been analyzed so extensively that master
games often begin in earnest after a dozen moves instead of move one.
Over 30 years ago Bobby saw the writing on the wall. "Someday
computers will make us all obsolete," he told me.



What "Bobby" missed is that even now, weak
players can see the analysis on their computer
screens, but they cannot always *understand* it.

In another recent thread here in rgc, for
instance, one player could not comprehend why
his "Ivan" computer was indicating the capture
of a *defended* pawn by a Knight; this sort of
question is easily answered by a grandmaster,
but currently, few if any computers can do more
than show something like: "24. Nxd5 Bh4,
-- 2.14".

On the other hand, chess grandmasters are
now "obsolete" in that what was once routinely
accepted based on their erroneous opinions,
has now been easily refuted by brute force
computation, thanks to these monstrosities.

One issue which afflicts even the strongest
grandmasters, just like their weaker brethren,
is erroneous thinking along lines of "this
attack cannot break through such and such
perfect fortress". The point is that often it is
possible to break through a "perfect" fortress
by simply transferring the move so the fortress
is not quite so perfect anymore. In watching
top-level chess programs play, I see this idea
come into play time and again; the programs
may not understand what they are doing, as
such, but they do understand that a threefold
repetition of position scores as a draw, while
messing around keeps their nominal edge... .


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Old March 5th 08, 01:21 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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IS CHESS DYING?

This topic is addressed in chapter 15 of THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by
GM Larry Evans.

Also see: http://tinyurl.com/2fdrth

Chess is different today. Now players have vast databases at their
fingertips and openings have been analyzed so extensively that master
games often begin in earnest after a dozen moves instead of move one.
Over 30 years ago Bobby saw the writing on the wall. "Someday
computers will make us all obsolete," he told me.
-- THE BOBBY FISCHER THAT WE LOVED (March Chess Life, page 19).


So much Thanatos! Not enough Eros. Tal had a very different point of view -
that OTB it was necessary to play chess, and any fool could find something
better the next day!

Sorry for the rhyme. Phil




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now. The intelligensia have moved on, now that robots have solved the
game of chess. Not that the Go board is much more lively...



 




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