Sanny wrote:
I realize that you want to recoup some of your investment in your
site. But you are up against competition that is so far superior that
you will have a hard time of it. In my own case, since I have limited
money to spend, I would not pay even $10 per year for GitClub because
I would rather put my money into something that offers more value.

What are the other values I can give other than Playing Chess?


When will GetClub play legal chess?



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Kenneth Sloan
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/

When will GetClub play legal chess?

What? And eliminate GitClub's outstanding "feature"? No draws at
GitClub! You either win or "loose"! If you don't beat it, you've
lost!

On Mar 27, 3:31*am, " wrote:
When willGetClubplay legalchess?

What? *And eliminate GitClub's outstanding "feature"? *No draws at
GitClub! *You either win or "loose"! * If you don't beat it, you've
lost!

There are many games where the Game is Drawn.

But Most of the games are either won by GetClub or by Opponent. Very
few games get drawn.

90% of the players now loose to even Beginner Level. Only Help Bot and
a few others are able to win the Beginner Level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

On Mar 27, 2:19*am, Sanny wrote:
On Mar 27, 3:31*am, " wrote:

But Most of the games are either won by GetClub or by Opponent. Very
few games get drawn.

90% of the players now loose to even Beginner Level. Only Help Bot and
a few others are able to win the Beginner Level.


Perhaps this is because GitClub doesn't accept countless possible
scenarios as draws. These include insufficient mating material,
three fold repetition, 50 move made without a pawn advance or
capture,
perpetual check (actuall just a subcase of three fold repetition) and
so on?
As a result the human player gets to choose between playing GitClub in
perpetuety, never playing GitClub again leaving the game incomplete
(a good solid choice IMHO) or resigning in disgust!

90% of the players now loose to even Beginner Level. Only Help Bot and
a few others are able to win the Beginner Level.

Perhaps this is because GitClub doesn't accept countless possible
scenarios as draws. These include insufficient mating material,
three fold repetition, 50 move made without a pawn advance or
capture,
perpetual check (actuall just a subcase of three fold repetition) and
so on?

1. GetClub Chess gives Draw for 3 fold repetition
2. For insufficient Material

However It do not have 50 move Rule. Say It has Rook Extra and it is
unable to bring Mate then it keeps playing till opponent resign.

There are only 2 illegal things GetClub has.

1. It do not have 50 move rule for Draw.
Normally this happens when Computer is winning, Then Player can resign

2. When there is Check-Mate, It moves its king to a place where it can
be killed.
Since game is Over it does not make any difference what the Computer
played after Mate.

Rest all rules are followed correctly.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

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Sanny writes
90% of the players now loose to even Beginner Level. Only Help Bot and
a few others are able to win the Beginner Level.

Perhaps this is because GitClub doesn't accept countless possible
scenarios as draws. These include insufficient mating material,
three fold repetition, 50 move made without a pawn advance or
capture,
perpetual check (actuall just a subcase of three fold repetition) and
so on?

1. GetClub Chess gives Draw for 3 fold repetition
2. For insufficient Material

However It do not have 50 move Rule. Say It has Rook Extra and it is
unable to bring Mate then it keeps playing till opponent resign.

You could add some pretty simple heuristics to the evaluation function
when number of remaining pieces is small that would allow it to close
the deal with a rook up. Pretty much along the lines of swap off all
other material at parity (except pawns which are potential queens).

And then increase the centre weighting for the king with the extra rook
and give it a bonus for minimising geometric distance to the enemy king.
These two taken together should allow even the dumbest code to find mate
from any starting position of KRk.

KBBk, KBNk would take a couple more tweaks to encourage forcing the
enemy into a corner and avoiding stalemates, but depending on how deep
the lookahead runs claiming the centre and squeezing till the pips
squeak ought to do it. It is crazy for the program not to solve simple
endgames.

There are only 2 illegal things GetClub has.

1. It do not have 50 move rule for Draw.
Normally this happens when Computer is winning, Then Player can resign

But if the player can find a perpetual check then they have drawn the
game no matter how much material the other player has.

2. When there is Check-Mate, It moves its king to a place where it can
be killed.

That is pretty silly. Capturing the king is not a move most engines will
generate. Legal moves ZERO = program should resign gracefully.

Since game is Over it does not make any difference what the Computer
played after Mate.

You could also show captures correctly in the game annotations it would
make it a lot easier to follow a game mentally if you did!

Regards,
--
Martin Brown

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On Mar 27, 9:48*am, Sanny wrote:

1. GetClub Chess gives Draw for 3 fold repetition
2. For insufficient Material

Both statements are incorrect.

It flat out does not honor 3 fold repetition as I have
observed nor even 50 fold!

Perhaps "Insufficient Material" was too general.
It will play on in perperuity with, for example
a wrong colored bishop and a rook pawn among
other possibilities.

Sanny wrote:
90% of the players now loose to even Beginner Level. Only Help Bot and
a few others are able to win the Beginner Level.
Perhaps this is because GitClub doesn't accept countless possible
scenarios as draws. These include insufficient mating material,
three fold repetition, 50 move made without a pawn advance or
capture,
perpetual check (actuall just a subcase of three fold repetition) and
so on?

1. GetClub Chess gives Draw for 3 fold repetition
2. For insufficient Material

However It do not have 50 move Rule. Say It has Rook Extra and it is
unable to bring Mate then it keeps playing till opponent resign.

There are only 2 illegal things GetClub has.


First - that's not true.

Second - even if it were true, it's still unacceptable. Let us know
when GetClub plays *chess* - and until then, please remain silent.

--
Kenneth Sloan
Computer and Information Sciences +1-205-932-2213
University of Alabama at Birmingham FAX +1-205-934-5473
Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 http://KennethRSloan.com/

On Mar 27, 10:48 am, Sanny wrote:

1. GetClub Chess gives Draw for 3 fold repetition


I have had many games where the program
did *not* give me a draw after countless
three-fold repetitions of position. Perhaps it
only grants the draw when it is the one losing.


-- help bot

On Mar 28, 12:42*am, help bot wrote:
On Mar 27, 10:48 am, Sanny wrote:

1. GetClub Chess gives Draw for 3 fold repetition

* I have had many games where the program
did *not* give me a draw after countless
three-fold repetitions of position. *Perhaps it
only grants the draw when it is the one losing.

* -- help bot

Yes indeed and with some further checking
it will also play on in perpetuity in such
thrilling scenarios as B+N vs B, B+N vs R,
K+P vs K where the defender has the
oposition and so on. Without a 50 move
rule Git Club thinks it is winning and thus
the game will never end! Make one wonder
what percentage of the GitClubs "wins"
should actually have been draws doesn't it.