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The idea was floated this morning on the Truong/Polgar controlled
chessdiscussion site: "by Zarathustra on Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:35 am The United States Chess Federation has lost its support with the adult membership, with the members leaving or left and, the rest just questioning why they are a member in the first place. Even with the flood of scholastic members, that we give moral support and a feeling of acceptance; they become the backbone of the Internet Chess Club or other internet chess servers when they reach the age of eighteen (18) and toss away their club specials for their computers. There is very little support period with over the board chess. Would it be in the best interests with FIDE just to abandon the United States Chess Federation and just refuse to accept the payments to stay a member of that world organization?................... ................Would it be in FIDE’s best interests to abandon the United States Chess Federation; organize a new national organization so FIDE and the new national organization would have greater access towards the venture capitalists and corporate sponsorship within the United States of America? The organizational level is there with FIDE as they have built new federations within the last decade. The skills and the funding are there within FIDE. It is just a question if the political will is there within FIDE to just chuck the United States Chess Federation away and start over." And which organization would take the USCF's place? The North American Chess Association? |
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On Mar 28, 8:05 am, Brian Lafferty wrote:
The idea was floated this morning on the Truong/Polgar controlled chessdiscussion site: "by Zarathustra on Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:35 am The United States Chess Federation has lost its support with the adult membership, with the members leaving or left and, the rest just questioning why they are a member in the first place. Even with the flood of scholastic members, that we give moral support and a feeling of acceptance; they become the backbone of the Internet Chess Club or other internet chess servers when they reach the age of eighteen (18) and toss away their club specials for their computers. There is very little support period with over the board chess. Would it be in the best interests with FIDE just to abandon the United States Chess Federation and just refuse to accept the payments to stay a member of that world organization?................... ...............Would it be in FIDE's best interests to abandon the United States Chess Federation; organize a new national organization so FIDE and the new national organization would have greater access towards the venture capitalists and corporate sponsorship within the United States of America? The organizational level is there with FIDE as they have built new federations within the last decade. The skills and the funding are there within FIDE. It is just a question if the political will is there within FIDE to just chuck the United States Chess Federation away and start over." And which organization would take the USCF's place? The North American Chess Association? Susan has replied: "I don't think so. As bad as we are, we are still better than most other federations. FIDE wants to work with us. They do not dislike the USCF as a federation. Many of them just do not like our leadership. "Best wishes, "Susan Polgar" She has made two other similar replies to the same poster. What she fails to mention is that many in FIDE do not like her personally. I doubt that there are many FIDE officials who have any opinion at all about the other members of the board, because they are not known internationally, but they do know about Susan. It was Susan Polgar who fought endless battles with the Hungarian Chess Federation over a period of ten years, then refused to defend her Woman's World Championship title, then filed a meritless lawsuit against FIDE. When she says that they do not like "us", what she really means is that they do not like her. Sam Sloan |
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samsloan wrote:
On Mar 28, 8:05 am, Brian Lafferty wrote: The idea was floated this morning on the Truong/Polgar controlled chessdiscussion site: "by Zarathustra on Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:35 am The United States Chess Federation has lost its support with the adult membership, with the members leaving or left and, the rest just questioning why they are a member in the first place. Even with the flood of scholastic members, that we give moral support and a feeling of acceptance; they become the backbone of the Internet Chess Club or other internet chess servers when they reach the age of eighteen (18) and toss away their club specials for their computers. There is very little support period with over the board chess. Would it be in the best interests with FIDE just to abandon the United States Chess Federation and just refuse to accept the payments to stay a member of that world organization?................... ...............Would it be in FIDE's best interests to abandon the United States Chess Federation; organize a new national organization so FIDE and the new national organization would have greater access towards the venture capitalists and corporate sponsorship within the United States of America? The organizational level is there with FIDE as they have built new federations within the last decade. The skills and the funding are there within FIDE. It is just a question if the political will is there within FIDE to just chuck the United States Chess Federation away and start over." And which organization would take the USCF's place? The North American Chess Association? Susan has replied: "I don't think so. As bad as we are, we are still better than most other federations. FIDE wants to work with us. They do not dislike the USCF as a federation. Many of them just do not like our leadership. "Best wishes, "Susan Polgar" She has made two other similar replies to the same poster. What she fails to mention is that many in FIDE do not like her personally. I doubt that there are many FIDE officials who have any opinion at all about the other members of the board, because they are not known internationally, but they do know about Susan. It was Susan Polgar who fought endless battles with the Hungarian Chess Federation over a period of ten years, then refused to defend her Woman's World Championship title, then filed a meritless lawsuit against FIDE. When she says that they do not like "us", what she really means is that they do not like her. Sam Sloan Who is Zarathustra? A foil for Polgar to raise the replacement position on her discussion board without it looking like that's what she's been working on. Let's not forget the as yet unconfirmed reports of her Mexico conversations with the FIDE representative. |
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On Mar 28, 7:56*am, samsloan wrote:
I doubt that there are many FIDE officials who have any opinion at all about the other members of the board, because they are not known internationally, but they do know about Susan. And most in FIDE have an even lower opinion of you, Sloan. When she says that they do not like "us", what she really means is that they do not like her. No. The united concensus is that the USCF is run with the professionalism of a one tent dog and pony show run by a one-eyed, half-witted inbred. Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Brian Lafferty wrote: samsloan wrote: On Mar 28, 8:05 am, Brian Lafferty wrote: The idea was floated this morning on the Truong/Polgar controlled chessdiscussion site: "by Zarathustra on Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:35 am The United States Chess Federation has lost its support with the adult membership, with the members leaving or left and, the rest just questioning why they are a member in the first place. Even with the flood of scholastic members, that we give moral support and a feeling of acceptance; they become the backbone of the Internet Chess Club or other internet chess servers when they reach the age of eighteen (18) and toss away their club specials for their computers. There is very little support period with over the board chess. Would it be in the best interests with FIDE just to abandon the United States Chess Federation and just refuse to accept the payments to stay a member of that world organization?................... ...............Would it be in FIDE's best interests to abandon the United States Chess Federation; organize a new national organization so FIDE and the new national organization would have greater access towards the venture capitalists and corporate sponsorship within the United States of America? The organizational level is there with FIDE as they have built new federations within the last decade. The skills and the funding are there within FIDE. It is just a question if the political will is there within FIDE to just chuck the United States Chess Federation away and start over." And which organization would take the USCF's place? The North American Chess Association? Susan has replied: "I don't think so. As bad as we are, we are still better than most other federations. FIDE wants to work with us. They do not dislike the USCF as a federation. Many of them just do not like our leadership. "Best wishes, "Susan Polgar" She has made two other similar replies to the same poster. What she fails to mention is that many in FIDE do not like her personally. I doubt that there are many FIDE officials who have any opinion at all about the other members of the board, because they are not known internationally, but they do know about Susan. It was Susan Polgar who fought endless battles with the Hungarian Chess Federation over a period of ten years, then refused to defend her Woman's World Championship title, then filed a meritless lawsuit against FIDE. When she says that they do not like "us", what she really means is that they do not like her. Sam Sloan Who is Zarathustra? A foil for Polgar to raise the replacement position on her discussion board without it looking like that's what she's been working on. Let's not forget the as yet unconfirmed reports of her Mexico conversations with the FIDE representative. That's Doug Forsythe. He used to infest the USCF Forums, but that was a little before your time. He's nuts. That's not my assessment; he boasts of it. Brian, you must realize that you don't know enough about FIDE affairs to be entitled to an opinion on the subject. (By this I mean the nature of the various national federations and their relationship to FIDE and the USCF, _not_ your personal opinions of Polgar. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.) |
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On Mar 29, 2:07 pm, wrote:
Brian Lafferty wrote: wrote: Brian Lafferty wrote: samsloan wrote: On Mar 28, 8:05 am, Brian Lafferty wrote: The idea was floated this morning on the Truong/Polgar controlled chessdiscussion site: "by Zarathustra on Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:35 am The United States Chess Federation has lost its support with the adult membership, with the members leaving or left and, the rest just questioning why they are a member in the first place. Even with the flood of scholastic members, that we give moral support and a feeling of acceptance; they become the backbone of the Internet Chess Club or other internet chess servers when they reach the age of eighteen (18) and toss away their club specials for their computers. There is very little support period with over the board chess. Would it be in the best interests with FIDE just to abandon the United States Chess Federation and just refuse to accept the payments to stay a member of that world organization?................... ...............Would it be in FIDE's best interests to abandon the United States Chess Federation; organize a new national organization so FIDE and the new national organization would have greater access towards the venture capitalists and corporate sponsorship within the United States of America? The organizational level is there with FIDE as they have built new federations within the last decade. The skills and the funding are there within FIDE. It is just a question if the political will is there within FIDE to just chuck the United States Chess Federation away and start over." And which organization would take the USCF's place? The North American Chess Association? Susan has replied: "I don't think so. As bad as we are, we are still better than most other federations. FIDE wants to work with us. They do not dislike the USCF as a federation. Many of them just do not like our leadership. "Best wishes, "Susan Polgar" She has made two other similar replies to the same poster. What she fails to mention is that many in FIDE do not like her personally. I doubt that there are many FIDE officials who have any opinion at all about the other members of the board, because they are not known internationally, but they do know about Susan. It was Susan Polgar who fought endless battles with the Hungarian Chess Federation over a period of ten years, then refused to defend her Woman's World Championship title, then filed a meritless lawsuit against FIDE. When she says that they do not like "us", what she really means is that they do not like her. Sam Sloan Who is Zarathustra? A foil for Polgar to raise the replacement position on her discussion board without it looking like that's what she's been working on. Let's not forget the as yet unconfirmed reports of her Mexico conversations with the FIDE representative. That's Doug Forsythe. He used to infest the USCF Forums, but that was a little before your time. He's nuts. That's not my assessment; he boasts of it. Brian, you must realize that you don't know enough about FIDE affairs to be entitled to an opinion on the subject. (By this I mean the nature of the various national federations and their relationship to FIDE and the USCF, _not_ your personal opinions of Polgar. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.) 1. I haven't made any comment about the relationship(s) between FIDE, the USCF or any other national federations. 2. You have no idea what I know of FIDE politics, which is actually more than you may realize. 1) Brian, you're a rank beginner, with a little over a year's experience in chess. The people with whom you deal most frequently (like Donna Alarie) are small club organizers whose views on the subject are worth little more than yours. I suppose you may have picked up some word-of-mouth from Bill Kelleher, but that's hardly enough. A loud mouth and a big ego aren't sufficient, even if it does work in New York. 2) What exactly is "the as yet unconfirmed reports of her Mexico conversations with the FIDE representative," if not an allusion to "the relationship(s) between FIDE (and) the USCF"? Merely an excuse for you to take another shot at Polgar? Amen Brother! I wish I had stated it as well as you have done. Rob |
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Brian Lafferty wrote: wrote: Brian Lafferty wrote: samsloan wrote: On Mar 28, 8:05 am, Brian Lafferty wrote: The idea was floated this morning on the Truong/Polgar controlled chessdiscussion site: "by Zarathustra on Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:35 am The United States Chess Federation has lost its support with the adult membership, with the members leaving or left and, the rest just questioning why they are a member in the first place. Even with the flood of scholastic members, that we give moral support and a feeling of acceptance; they become the backbone of the Internet Chess Club or other internet chess servers when they reach the age of eighteen (18) and toss away their club specials for their computers. There is very little support period with over the board chess. Would it be in the best interests with FIDE just to abandon the United States Chess Federation and just refuse to accept the payments to stay a member of that world organization?................... ...............Would it be in FIDE's best interests to abandon the United States Chess Federation; organize a new national organization so FIDE and the new national organization would have greater access towards the venture capitalists and corporate sponsorship within the United States of America? The organizational level is there with FIDE as they have built new federations within the last decade. The skills and the funding are there within FIDE. It is just a question if the political will is there within FIDE to just chuck the United States Chess Federation away and start over." And which organization would take the USCF's place? The North American Chess Association? Susan has replied: "I don't think so. As bad as we are, we are still better than most other federations. FIDE wants to work with us. They do not dislike the USCF as a federation. Many of them just do not like our leadership. "Best wishes, "Susan Polgar" She has made two other similar replies to the same poster. What she fails to mention is that many in FIDE do not like her personally. I doubt that there are many FIDE officials who have any opinion at all about the other members of the board, because they are not known internationally, but they do know about Susan. It was Susan Polgar who fought endless battles with the Hungarian Chess Federation over a period of ten years, then refused to defend her Woman's World Championship title, then filed a meritless lawsuit against FIDE. When she says that they do not like "us", what she really means is that they do not like her. Sam Sloan Who is Zarathustra? A foil for Polgar to raise the replacement position on her discussion board without it looking like that's what she's been working on. Let's not forget the as yet unconfirmed reports of her Mexico conversations with the FIDE representative. That's Doug Forsythe. He used to infest the USCF Forums, but that was a little before your time. He's nuts. That's not my assessment; he boasts of it. Brian, you must realize that you don't know enough about FIDE affairs to be entitled to an opinion on the subject. (By this I mean the nature of the various national federations and their relationship to FIDE and the USCF, _not_ your personal opinions of Polgar. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.) 1. I haven't made any comment about the relationship(s) between FIDE, the USCF or any other national federations. 2. You have no idea what I know of FIDE politics, which is actually more than you may realize. 1) Brian, you're a rank beginner, with a little over a year's experience in chess. The people with whom you deal most frequently (like Donna Alarie) are small club organizers whose views on the subject are worth little more than yours. I suppose you may have picked up some word-of-mouth from Bill Kelleher, but that's hardly enough. A loud mouth and a big ego aren't sufficient, even if it does work in New York. Oh John, you are so ignorant. To equate playing rated chess with knowledge of or following FIDE politics is illogical at best, moronic at worst (and experience does dictate that I think the worst of you). Having been a fan of Victor Korchnoi for years, and having followed his tribulations in Marcos/CampyLand at the time, I can tell you that I have far more knowledge than you think. You've of course read the book that his second produced from that match outlining all the crap that went on at the behest of the Soviets. And you've no doubt followed the press at the time of the murder of Larisa Yudina. You've also read the book "Cruse of Kirsan" as well. I'm certain that you also followed the PCA conflict with FIDE contemporaneously as I did as well as the Bessel Koch's run for the FIDE presidency. What do you think of the US FIDE delegate's vote in that one? 2) What exactly is "the as yet unconfirmed reports of her Mexico conversations with the FIDE representative," if not an allusion to "the relationship(s) between FIDE (and) the USCF"? Merely an excuse for you to take another shot at Polgar? You can be so disingenuous, John. You've read the threads on the USCF Issue's Forum about Polgar's alleged conversation in Mexico City during the World Championship last year. She denied everything, of course. What's a Polgar denial worth these days? BTW, have ou read "White King Red Queen?" Interesting read even with the absurd right wing slant that the author brings to the work. |
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Rob wrote:
On Mar 29, 2:07 pm, wrote: Brian Lafferty wrote: wrote: Brian Lafferty wrote: samsloan wrote: On Mar 28, 8:05 am, Brian Lafferty wrote: The idea was floated this morning on the Truong/Polgar controlled chessdiscussion site: "by Zarathustra on Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:35 am The United States Chess Federation has lost its support with the adult membership, with the members leaving or left and, the rest just questioning why they are a member in the first place. Even with the flood of scholastic members, that we give moral support and a feeling of acceptance; they become the backbone of the Internet Chess Club or other internet chess servers when they reach the age of eighteen (18) and toss away their club specials for their computers. There is very little support period with over the board chess. Would it be in the best interests with FIDE just to abandon the United States Chess Federation and just refuse to accept the payments to stay a member of that world organization?................... ...............Would it be in FIDE's best interests to abandon the United States Chess Federation; organize a new national organization so FIDE and the new national organization would have greater access towards the venture capitalists and corporate sponsorship within the United States of America? The organizational level is there with FIDE as they have built new federations within the last decade. The skills and the funding are there within FIDE. It is just a question if the political will is there within FIDE to just chuck the United States Chess Federation away and start over." And which organization would take the USCF's place? The North American Chess Association? Susan has replied: "I don't think so. As bad as we are, we are still better than most other federations. FIDE wants to work with us. They do not dislike the USCF as a federation. Many of them just do not like our leadership. "Best wishes, "Susan Polgar" She has made two other similar replies to the same poster. What she fails to mention is that many in FIDE do not like her personally. I doubt that there are many FIDE officials who have any opinion at all about the other members of the board, because they are not known internationally, but they do know about Susan. It was Susan Polgar who fought endless battles with the Hungarian Chess Federation over a period of ten years, then refused to defend her Woman's World Championship title, then filed a meritless lawsuit against FIDE. When she says that they do not like "us", what she really means is that they do not like her. Sam Sloan Who is Zarathustra? A foil for Polgar to raise the replacement position on her discussion board without it looking like that's what she's been working on. Let's not forget the as yet unconfirmed reports of her Mexico conversations with the FIDE representative. That's Doug Forsythe. He used to infest the USCF Forums, but that was a little before your time. He's nuts. That's not my assessment; he boasts of it. Brian, you must realize that you don't know enough about FIDE affairs to be entitled to an opinion on the subject. (By this I mean the nature of the various national federations and their relationship to FIDE and the USCF, _not_ your personal opinions of Polgar. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.) 1. I haven't made any comment about the relationship(s) between FIDE, the USCF or any other national federations. 2. You have no idea what I know of FIDE politics, which is actually more than you may realize. 1) Brian, you're a rank beginner, with a little over a year's experience in chess. The people with whom you deal most frequently (like Donna Alarie) are small club organizers whose views on the subject are worth little more than yours. I suppose you may have picked up some word-of-mouth from Bill Kelleher, but that's hardly enough. A loud mouth and a big ego aren't sufficient, even if it does work in New York. 2) What exactly is "the as yet unconfirmed reports of her Mexico conversations with the FIDE representative," if not an allusion to "the relationship(s) between FIDE (and) the USCF"? Merely an excuse for you to take another shot at Polgar? Amen Brother! I wish I had stated it as well as you have done. Rob Don't forget to wash your face tonight, Rob. |
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