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Old March 30th 08, 03:01 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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But precisely because Mr. M is my friend, and because I know his
character, I am inclined to give him every benefit of the doubt.


BTW Bill Brock sent over 400 E Mails in a fit of rage.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sevan Muradian ]
Sent: Sun 01/22/2006 21:39
To: ; Brad Rosen
Cc:
Subject: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK
they are trying to do damage ontrol. Alexandra has been getting
slammed

that she is a joke of a player (even though being a GM) and she is
pulling a Kornukova routine banking on looks and not ability so she
wants to play in the lower half of events so if she loses then she
tried but was not expected to do well....

diego borderline pimps Alexandra out which is bad really for chess,
women, and women in chess but it serves the purpose of bringing in the
almighty dollar - even though technically he comes from a very
affulent family and doesn't need the $$$.

forgot to copy brad... nah nothing lost in translation per your
response to bill's response...

screw 'em ... don't need 'em...

before i was going around trying to find gm's to play for cheap for me
- now 2550+ rated gm's are ASKING for invites to play (Golod and
Mikhalevski)...

--sevan

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bill Brock"

Reply-To:

To: "'Sevan Muradian'"
,

Subject: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:42:28 -0600

I don't agree with other Kosteniuk marketing decisions, but I think
this one is legit (so don't be so hard on them)....

-----Original Message-----
From: Sevan Muradian ]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:53 PM
To:
;
Subject: FW: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK

so much for furthering women in chess... guess these two are in it for
themselves...

--sevan

----Original Message Follows----
From: Diego

To: Sevan Muradian

Subject: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:33:39 +0300

Hi Sevan,
Thanks for your email, of course we followed your tournament, it is
great it led to Pascal Charbonneau gained his final GM norm,
congratulations to him for playing well and to you for giving him that
possibility!

Alexandra is not interested in playing an event which would be female
only.

There are already plenty of obligatory occasions to play with women
this year with the world championships in March and the Olympiads in
May, so in order to progress Alexandra should strive to play all other
tournaments
with males only, and preferably she should be in the lower half start
rating list. That's one of the reasons women are weaker than men, and
women will only get stronger if they stop playing in all-women events,
and instead try to play mostly stronger men GM's, I hope you
understand.

We'd love to come back to Chicago, so next time you organize a mostly
male tournament where Alexandra would be in the lower half startrating
list please contact us!

Just for your information, Alexandra would be interested in any rapid
tournament (15-20-25 minutes per game), and any blitz tournament, with
any participants, male or female, as long as scheduling permits, and
good fees/prizes are available.

Best wishes to you and good luck organizing your tournaments!

Diego
------------

On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:51 AM, Sevan Muradian wrote:

Diego:

I hope all is well with you and Alexandra.

You may or may not have seen that this month I concluded the second
FIDE GM/IM norm event in the Chicago area where IM Pascal Charbonneau
gained his final GM norm.

I am doing planning now for an event in July. My theme for one of the
groups in this event is to try to create an venue where all
participants are female and hence my email to you and Alexandra.

I need to know the conditions for Alexandra to participate as one of
the 3 GM's in the event (this event will have GM/IM norms available).

The general aspects of the event will be as follows:

July 8-16 - playing dates ae 10-14. Extra days at beginning and end
are for enjoying Chicago in the summer.

9R-RR - G/90 + 30/sec per move from move 1 2 rounds per day except for
last day (only 1 round) Rounds at 11am and 6pm
F: not yet determined

Welcome dinner on the 9th and farewell dinner on the 14th.

If you could please let me know the required conditions I would
greatly appreciate it.

Thanks much,

Sevan A. Muradian
(email and MSN Messenger)
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  #2  
Old March 30th 08, 03:07 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
Rob
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On Mar 30, 8:01 am, wrote:
But precisely because Mr. M is my friend, and because I know his
character, I am inclined to give him every benefit of the doubt.


BTW Bill Brock sent over 400 E Mails in a fit of rage.


Do you have the 400 copies?
Care to provide proof?
  #3  
Old March 30th 08, 03:18 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
SKEYESTONE@aol.com
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On Mar 30, 8:07�am, Rob wrote:
On Mar 30, 8:01 am, wrote:

But precisely because Mr. M is my friend, and because I know his
character, I am inclined to give him every benefit of the doubt.


BTW Bill Brock sent over 400 E Mails in a fit of rage.


Do you have the 400 copies?
Care to provide proof?


HERE"S A FEW....

-----Original Message-----
From: Sevan Muradian ]
Sent: Sun 01/22/2006 21:39
To: ; Brad Rosen

Cc:
Subject: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK
they are trying to do damage ontrol. Alexandra has been getting
slammed


that she is a joke of a player (even though being a GM) and she is
pulling a Kornukova routine banking on looks and not ability so she
wants to play in the lower half of events so if she loses then she
tried but was not expected to do well....


diego borderline pimps Alexandra out which is bad really for chess,
women, and women in chess but it serves the purpose of bringing in
the
almighty dollar - even though technically he comes from a very
affulent family and doesn't need the $$$.


forgot to copy brad... nah nothing lost in translation per your
response to bill's response...


screw 'em ... don't need 'em...


before i was going around trying to find gm's to play for cheap for
me
- now 2550+ rated gm's are ASKING for invites to play (Golod and
Mikhalevski)...


--sevan


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bill Brock"
Reply-To:
To: "'Sevan Muradian'" ,

Subject: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:42:28 -0600


I don't agree with other Kosteniuk marketing decisions, but I think
this one is legit (so don't be so hard on them)....


-----Original Message-----
From: Sevan Muradian ]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:53 PM
To: ;
Subject: FW: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK


so much for furthering women in chess... guess these two are in it
for
themselves...


--sevan


----Original Message Follows----
From: Diego
To: Sevan Muradian
Subject: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:33:39 +0300


Hi Sevan,
Thanks for your email, of course we followed your tournament, it is
great it led to Pascal Charbonneau gained his final GM norm,
congratulations to him for playing well and to you for giving him
that
possibility!


Alexandra is not interested in playing an event which would be female
only.


There are already plenty of obligatory occasions to play with women
this year with the world championships in March and the Olympiads in
May, so in order to progress Alexandra should strive to play all
other
tournaments
with males only, and preferably she should be in the lower half start
rating list. That's one of the reasons women are weaker than men, and
women will only get stronger if they stop playing in all-women
events,
and instead try to play mostly stronger men GM's, I hope you
understand.


We'd love to come back to Chicago, so next time you organize a mostly
male tournament where Alexandra would be in the lower half
startrating
list please contact us!


Just for your information, Alexandra would be interested in any rapid
tournament (15-20-25 minutes per game), and any blitz tournament,
with
any participants, male or female, as long as scheduling permits, and
good fees/prizes are available.


Best wishes to you and good luck organizing your tournaments!


Diego
------------


On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:51 AM, Sevan Muradian wrote:


Diego:


I hope all is well with you and Alexandra.


You may or may not have seen that this month I concluded the second
FIDE GM/IM norm event in the Chicago area where IM Pascal Charbonneau
gained his final GM norm.


I am doing planning now for an event in July. My theme for one of the
groups in this event is to try to create an venue where all
participants are female and hence my email to you and Alexandra.


I need to know the conditions for Alexandra to participate as one of
the 3 GM's in the event (this event will have GM/IM norms available).


The general aspects of the event will be as follows:


July 8-16 - playing dates ae 10-14. Extra days at beginning and end
are for enjoying Chicago in the summer.


9R-RR - G/90 + 30/sec per move from move 1 2 rounds per day except
for
last day (only 1 round) Rounds at 11am and 6pm
F: not yet determined


Welcome dinner on the 9th and farewell dinner on the 14th.


If you could please let me know the required conditions I would
greatly appreciate it.


Thanks much,


Sevan A. Muradian
(email and MSN Messenger)



  #4  
Old March 30th 08, 03:35 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
Brian Lafferty
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Rob wrote:
On Mar 30, 8:01 am, wrote:
But precisely because Mr. M is my friend, and because I know his
character, I am inclined to give him every benefit of the doubt.

BTW Bill Brock sent over 400 E Mails in a fit of rage.


Do you have the 400 copies?
Care to provide proof?


I have most of them in a zip file, Rob. You can either believe me or
not. I couldn't care less.
  #5  
Old March 30th 08, 04:08 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
samsloan
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On Mar 30, 9:18 am, wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Sevan Muradian ]
Sent: Sun 01/22/2006 21:39
To: ; Brad Rosen

Cc:
Subject: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK
they are trying to do damage ontrol. Alexandra has been getting
slammed

that she is a joke of a player (even though being a GM) and she is
pulling a Kornukova routine banking on looks and not ability so she
wants to play in the lower half of events so if she loses then she
tried but was not expected to do well....

diego borderline pimps Alexandra out which is bad really for chess,
women, and women in chess but it serves the purpose of bringing in
the
almighty dollar - even though technically he comes from a very
affulent family and doesn't need the $$$.

forgot to copy brad... nah nothing lost in translation per your
response to bill's response...

screw 'em ... don't need 'em...

before i was going around trying to find gm's to play for cheap for
me
- now 2550+ rated gm's are ASKING for invites to play (Golod and
Mikhalevski)...

--sevan

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bill Brock"
Reply-To:
To: "'Sevan Muradian'" ,

Subject: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:42:28 -0600

I don't agree with other Kosteniuk marketing decisions, but I think
this one is legit (so don't be so hard on them)....

-----Original Message-----
From: Sevan Muradian ]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:53 PM
To: ;
Subject: FW: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK

so much for furthering women in chess... guess these two are in it
for themselves...

--sevan


I am stunned and shocked by these letters. If Sevan Muradian really
wrote this, it changes my opinion of him.

Alexandra Kosteniuk wants to do the same thing that all good chess
players want to do, which is play opponents stronger than herself, so
that she can improve.

Why would she play in a tournament which only has other women chess
players, when she would be by far the highest rated player with a
rating around 2550 and have nothing to gain.

As to her expectation to be paid for playing, well, she is a
professional chess player, what did you expect, that she would play
for free??

As to the other GMs who want to be invited, then go ahead and invite
them. They seem to be foreign players who need an invitation to get a
visa to come to America. But Muradian wants Kosteniuk and Kosteniuk
only because she is a top rated woman.

Then, because of her demand to be paid for playing so as to help other
women earn the GM Norm, Muradian says that her husband is "pimping her
out".

Did he really write this? This is objectionable. Because Muradian has
formed the "North American Chess Federation" and apparently wants to
go head to head in competition with the USCF, we need to know about
this.

Sam Sloan
  #6  
Old March 30th 08, 04:13 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
SKEYESTONE@aol.com
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On Mar 30, 9:08�am, samsloan wrote:
On Mar 30, 9:18 am, wrote:







-----Original Message-----
From: Sevan Muradian ]
Sent: Sun 01/22/2006 21:39
To: ; Brad Rosen


Cc:
Subject: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK
they are trying to do damage ontrol. Alexandra has been getting
slammed


that she is a joke of a player (even though being a GM) and she is
pulling a Kornukova routine banking on looks and not ability so she
wants to play in the lower half of events so if she loses then she
tried but was not expected to do well....


diego borderline pimps Alexandra out which is bad really for chess,
women, and women in chess but it serves the purpose of bringing in
the
almighty dollar - even though technically he comes from a very
affulent family and doesn't need the $$$.


forgot to copy brad... nah nothing lost in translation per your
response to bill's response...


screw 'em ... don't need 'em...


before i was going around trying to find gm's to play for cheap for
me
- now 2550+ rated gm's are ASKING for invites to play (Golod and
Mikhalevski)...


--sevan


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Bill Brock"
Reply-To:
To: "'Sevan Muradian'" ,

Subject: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:42:28 -0600


I don't agree with other Kosteniuk marketing decisions, but I think
this one is legit (so don't be so hard on them)....


-----Original Message-----
From: Sevan Muradian ]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:53 PM
To: ;
Subject: FW: Greetings from Chicago - KOSTENIUK


so much for furthering women in chess... guess these two are in it
for themselves...


--sevan


I am stunned and shocked by these letters. If Sevan Muradian really
wrote this, it changes my opinion of him.

Alexandra Kosteniuk wants to do the same thing that all good chess
players want to do, which is play opponents stronger than herself, so
that she can improve.

Why would she play in a tournament which only has other women chess
players, when she would be by far the highest rated player with a
rating around 2550 and have nothing to gain.

As to her expectation to be paid for playing, well, she is a
professional chess player, what did you expect, that she would play
for free??

As to the other GMs who want to be invited, then go ahead and invite
them. They seem to be foreign players who need an invitation to get a
visa to come to America. But Muradian wants Kosteniuk and Kosteniuk
only because she is a top rated woman.

Then, because of her demand to be paid for playing so as to help other
women earn the GM Norm, Muradian says that her husband is "pimping her
out".

Did he really write this? This is objectionable. Because Muradian has
formed the "North American Chess Federation" and apparently wants to
go head to head in competition with the USCF, we need to know about
this.

Sam Sloan- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Sam these emails were forwarded to David Heiser by Bill Brock.
Sheila Heiser
 




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