"Gunny Bunny" wrote in message
e.rogers.com...

Mig was on ICC with a GM rating. It was proven that he was using a
Computer
Software program to boost his rating. In other words, (C)heating !!

All reporters intentionally distort the truth. Why should they approach a
chess rating any differently?

StanB

He did say he beat Dean Ippolito in blitz chess. I know Dean Ippolito
and Ippo said I don't remember that. I believe Dean.

EZoto

Eh? When was this?! My current ICC rating is 2558 and has probably
never been much higher than that. My Playchess.com rating is probably
over 2400.

I'm never sure if the people here believe all the anonymous lies or
just figure it's the same person posting and agreeing with himself.


On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:37:13 GMT, "Gunny Bunny"
wrote:

Mig was on ICC with a GM rating. It was proven that he was using a Computer
Software program to boost his rating. In other words, (C)heating !!

Right Sam, good logic there. Can't you even tell the truth once in a
while by accident? I play in my first serious tournament in six years
and am supposed to play at the same level. Maybe you should ask the
IMs and GMs I've played OTB blitz with, or look at the same crosstable
at the World Open with all the 2200+ players within a half-point of my
own score. Performance in one event doesn't mean anything more than
performance in that event.

My 2300 rating wasn't even the highest among those with three points!
Heck, an FM withdrew with two rounds to go with 2.5 points. Superkid
Fabiano Caruana (an FM, though by appointment) also scored 3.0. There
were many masters with 3-3.5. It was a tough event.

I'm certainly not going to make excuses for what was a terrible
tournament for me, but if you think I'm a 1700-1800 player (like I was
10 years ago when that old USCF rating of mine you love so much was
current) you are even crazier than we think. And that's pretty damn
crazy.

And I didn't have to claim any rating, the 2300 was given to me by TD
Doyle in Parsippany in February after he contacted the Argentine
federation. It would have been silly for me to play in anything other
than the open with my background and past rating.

I lost several winning positions on time and my preparation consisted
of four coast-to-coast flights before arriving in Philadelphia minutes
before the first round. Bad nerves after the long layoff led to no
sleep and a terrible result. (Not to take anything away from my
opponents. Two of them were US Championship veterans with far more
tournament experience than I have.) Because I play so rarely I
rejected draws and played to the bitter end despite clearly being a
mess at the board.

Life goes on and I hope to be able to play somewhat regularly this
year. It was sad that such a big event was my first tournament back
because it was mostly a waste.

Why you find in this an excuse to slander me is beyond me. Have you
even ever considered the source of your hatred, Spam? Some serious
issues there. But never fear, a chess version of The National Enquirer
might still launch and find a place for you.

Mig
http://www.chessninja.com



On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:54:19 GMT, (Sam Sloan)
wrote:

One of the great debates of Our Modern Times has been the chess
strength of Mig, whose real name is Michael Greengard.

Everyone agrees that Mig is a talented writer about chess. His
articles are popular and have been read and published everywhere,
including ChessBase magazine and TWIC.

Mig also was Director of KasparovChess during its heyday.

However, Mig often puts on airs about being a chess master. When
somebody discovered that he has an old USCF rating of 1743, the
question came up as to whether this was really the same person and
whether it was likely that an adult could improve that much in a short
period of time.

Mig played in the World Open last week and now we have the answer. It
seems that the real chess stength of MIG is no better than about 1800.
He is certainly not a master.

http://www.64.com/uscf/ratings/12525629

MIG finished the tournament with a score of 3-6 which placed him
number 181. His losses were primarily to experts and to one player
rated 1990. His wins were primarily against 1500-1600 players.

The tournament wall chart showed Mig as having a rating of 2300. I
asked Bill Goichberg about this. Goichberg said that it is not against
the rules for a player to claim to be stronger than he really is. It
is only against the rules for a player to claim to be weaker than he
really is, so that he can try to win a class prize. Mig entered the
tournament claiming to have a rating of 2300 in Argentina, where he
lived for several years. That self-rating was accepted at the World
Open and Mig was paired according to that.

MIG's results show that a rating in the range of 1700 or 1800 is about
right for Mig.

Sam Sloan

Hmm... Whats the evidence that allegedly proves Mig was cheating?
He has no (C) label added by the ICC authorities, which simply means
that he IS NOT cheating...( ICC is VERY good in finding cheats)and he
has not a "GM rating". GMs are usually rated between 3100-3500 on ICC.
So 2500 isnt that much.By no means a 2500 ICC rating is equivalent to
2500 elo.. thats plain nonense.And blitz ratings vary a lot, during
one good night your rating can go up by 400 points. I can confirm this
from own experience.
I should add that I had opportunity to talk to Mig today on ICC and he
doesnt expect any better than being attacked with ever more ridiculous
accusations...


You guys would have done great in the Inquisition... Your
understanding of the term "evidence" strongly resembles those
times.......


Regards

Jenö Nyerges

Ah, cool, some evidence! Must be more telling than my actual ICC
rating. I've logged all my ICC games for years and found exactly two
against "StanB," both from 1999. Both 3 0 unrated. (My rating in these
games was 2512, his 1656. As with most players my ICC blitz rating has
fluctuated between 2200 and 2500, often on the same night. ) In one
game I was up a piece and then left a rook en prise in a typical net
pre-move slip. In the other I won a pawn and then a rook endgame. So I
guess you're the expert on my chess strength? Bad enough trying to
evaluate on one tournament, but two ICC blitz games from four years
ago?

Is this what this Usenet group has sunk to? A bunch of me toos? A
bunch of chest-beaters with Spam Scone as an idol? Glad to see a few
people actually posting chess and some common sense, but even they end
up being dragged down into the pit.



On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:06:16 -0400, "StanB"
wrote:


"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...

MIG's results show that a rating in the range of 1700 or 1800 is about
right for Mig.

Having played him several times on ICC I would put it at about 1700-1900.

StanB

Hi,

I can agree with a big part of what you write, just wanted to say that a (C)
stands for computer, or using a computer, databases etc. as a registered
user. The (C) doesn't stand for cheat.

Rob.

"Jenö Nyerges" wrote in message
om...
Hmm... Whats the evidence that allegedly proves Mig was cheating?
He has no (C) label added by the ICC authorities, which simply means
that he IS NOT cheating...( ICC is VERY good in finding cheats)and he
has not a "GM rating". GMs are usually rated between 3100-3500 on ICC.
So 2500 isnt that much.By no means a 2500 ICC rating is equivalent to
2500 elo.. thats plain nonense.And blitz ratings vary a lot, during
one good night your rating can go up by 400 points. I can confirm this
from own experience.
I should add that I had opportunity to talk to Mig today on ICC and he
doesnt expect any better than being attacked with ever more ridiculous
accusations...


You guys would have done great in the Inquisition... Your
understanding of the term "evidence" strongly resembles those
times.......


Regards

Jenö Nyerges

No worries, Jenö, this happens every year. I'll leave the group again
now, but will be back next year to deny that I ever made claims to the
crown of England, or whatever else they come up with by then.

In a way this is the only way my ego would ever get out of control.
What greater honor than another thread with my name in it posted by
Spam Scone, the very same ace reporter who spammed the world with the
news of Peter Leko's death? The tireless researcher whose website
repeats the exploded myth that Einstein got bad grades in school? The
alert citizen who was tossed out of the Kasparov-Deep Junior match
because his cell phone rang in the playing room and he was incapable
of turning it off? (Twice.) Truly, I am honored.

I hope for all the readers here, and the other 40 groups Spam usually
crossposts to in his traditional ignorance of basic netiquette, that
this doesn't happen every time I have a lousy tournament. It will be a
long way back and you would all get really bored with it if I start
playing regularly.

Saludos, Mig
http://www.chessninja.com


On 9 Jul 2003 00:28:58 -0700, (Jenö Nyerges)
wrote:

Hmm... Whats the evidence that allegedly proves Mig was cheating?
He has no (C) label added by the ICC authorities, which simply means
that he IS NOT cheating...( ICC is VERY good in finding cheats)and he
has not a "GM rating". GMs are usually rated between 3100-3500 on ICC.
So 2500 isnt that much.By no means a 2500 ICC rating is equivalent to
2500 elo.. thats plain nonense.And blitz ratings vary a lot, during
one good night your rating can go up by 400 points. I can confirm this
from own experience.
I should add that I had opportunity to talk to Mig today on ICC and he
doesnt expect any better than being attacked with ever more ridiculous
accusations...


You guys would have done great in the Inquisition... Your
understanding of the term "evidence" strongly resembles those
times.......


Regards

Jenö Nyerges

Oh come on, I played quite a few games against Dean and IM Michael
Khodarkovsky when we were working together at KasparovChess. If he
wants to say I NEVER beat him once he's just messing around. It's not
as if we were keeping score or playing under tournament conditions
(full trash talk mode is more like it). I didn't have a plus score
against them but if I had lost every single game they wouldn't have
bothered playing me.

Mig


On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:46:26 GMT, EZoto wrote:


He did say he beat Dean Ippolito in blitz chess. I know Dean Ippolito
and Ippo said I don't remember that. I believe Dean.

EZoto

Mig wrote:

In a way this is the only way my ego would ever get out of control.
What greater honor than another thread with my name in it posted by
Spam Scone, the very same ace reporter who spammed the world with the
news of Peter Leko's death? The tireless researcher whose website
repeats the exploded myth that Einstein got bad grades in school? The
alert citizen who was tossed out of the Kasparov-Deep Junior match
because his cell phone rang in the playing room and he was incapable
of turning it off? (Twice.) Truly, I am honored.

Actually, Spam Scone and Sam Sloan are different people.
One is a parody of a human being, the other is a parody
of a parody. I leave it to you to work out who is who.

I hope for all the readers here, and the other 40 groups Spam usually
crossposts to in his traditional ignorance of basic netiquette, that
this doesn't happen every time I have a lousy tournament. It will be a
long way back and you would all get really bored with it if I start
playing regularly.

Keep the faith, brother!