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On Apr 24, 2:29*pm, Mike Murray wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Apr 24, 12:02*pm, "Chess One" wrote: I think perhaps you accept that not everything was or is yet quite in the open here, but your attention to what is and what is not so apparent is possibly now incremented by materials not previously known to yourself. Yes. It is interesting, needs some serious evaluation, and suggests a direction of inquiry I had no inkling of. The Mottershead Report came out some eight months ago, and its implications have been semi-paralyzing the USCF EB ever since. The idea that there's a whole layer of alternative explanation for the FSS identity, an explanation relatively plausible, not publicly discussed, but disclosed by e-mail to selected private parties -- this is strange stuff. *Its strangeness is compounded by the plethora of half-baked explanations put forth by PT/SP supporters, and vigorously debunked in this and other forums. Jeremy, your postings reveal general level-headedness and goodwill, and I'll respect your judgment that there's secret stuff out there that needs "some serious evaluation", but the PT/SP strategy of keeping it semi-secret for the better part of a year leaves me baffled. *Usually, the desire to keep things safely under wraps is not a major flag of innocence. *I'm at a loss to understand how this could be good either for the USCF or for PT/SP. Isn't this what we have been saying all along? There are things out there that most in this group have no inkling of what is going on. Those of us who have more level heads have simply said that it should be presented in some other place and determined and the discussed here afterwords.( If there will be even anything left to discuss) Just remember the "Prozac" incident. Some folks can be led to attack anything if the thing they attack is a target they want. |
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Rob
wrote: Isn't this what we have been saying all along? There are things out there that most in this group have no inkling of what is going on. Those of us who have more level heads have simply said that it should be presented in some other place and determined and the discussed here afterwords.( If there will be even anything left to discuss) Sorry, I don't buy that. Those of us who are USCF members have an interest in activities that impact the organization and its governance, and no business puts important questions into suspension while a myriad of lawsuits and other procedures wend their way to resolution. To wait, possibly years on such process, before entering into discussion would be irresponsible. Mottershead made his report public for open critique and evaluation, as well as subjecting himself to personal attack. If the PT/SP have exculpatory information, they should open it up and put this thing to rest. IMO, this is a responsibility they accepted when they became public figures and took a position in USCF governance. Just remember the "Prozac" incident. Not really comparable. You had the real information and made it public after a fairly short interval, corroborating data was out there in the public sphere for any open-minded person to find, and, most importantly, the whole thing was a rather clever joke on your part. Some folks can be led to attack anything if the thing they attack is a target they want. People make decisions based on the information that's available to them. If PT/SP want to keep the information private and depend on other people to trust that it implies certain things, well, that's their business. But they have no right to demand pure faith on the part of the general public. PT/SP's various websites, publicity acts, blogs AND past history contain enough exaggerations, evasions, half-truths, and undocumented claims that it seems unrealistic of them to demand the members just believe, contrary to the implications of the Mottershead Report, that PT is not the FSS and that it will all come out right in the end. |
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On Apr 24, 2:29*pm, Mike Murray wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Apr 24, 12:02*pm, "Chess One" wrote: I think perhaps you accept that not everything was or is yet quite in the open here, but your attention to what is and what is not so apparent is possibly now incremented by materials not previously known to yourself. Yes. It is interesting, needs some serious evaluation, and suggests a direction of inquiry I had no inkling of. The Mottershead Report came out some eight months ago, and its implications have been semi-paralyzing the USCF EB ever since. The idea that there's a whole layer of alternative explanation for the FSS identity, an explanation relatively plausible, not publicly discussed, but disclosed by e-mail to selected private parties -- this is strange stuff. *Its strangeness is compounded by the plethora of half-baked explanations put forth by PT/SP supporters, and vigorously debunked in this and other forums. Yes, I think that the PT/SP camp deserves much of the blame for the level of acrimony. From the very first reaction, attacking Motterhead and all people who regarded the evidence against them as serious vehemently, their choices were poor and seemed to indicate guilt. Many red herrings have been brought up by their supporters, which wasted everyone's time and did not help cooperation. The main guilt on the other side relates to bringing up issues involving Susan's children; those who did so only helped feed a sense of persecution on an issue which is both extremely sensitive and completely irrelevant to the case. You, Mike, are of course not part of this. I still believe that the likelihood is that Truong is guilty, but the information given to me produced an alternative hypothesis which is within the range of reasonable doubt, and deserves investigation. I have not yet found whether such an investigation has already been conducted. I have now heard from the PT/SP side, and I am trying to find out from the other side what their perspective is. I will try as much as possible to let people know what views I feel are reasonable, without breaking any confidences. Jerry Spinrad Jeremy, your postings reveal general level-headedness and goodwill, and I'll respect your judgment that there's secret stuff out there that needs "some serious evaluation", but the PT/SP strategy of keeping it semi-secret for the better part of a year leaves me baffled. *Usually, the desire to keep things safely under wraps is not a major flag of innocence. *I'm at a loss to understand how this could be good either for the USCF or for PT/SP. |
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On Apr 24, 3:58 pm, Rob wrote:
On Apr 24, 2:29 pm, Mike Murray wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Apr 24, 12:02 pm, "Chess One" wrote: I think perhaps you accept that not everything was or is yet quite in the open here, but your attention to what is and what is not so apparent is possibly now incremented by materials not previously known to yourself. Yes. It is interesting, needs some serious evaluation, and suggests a direction of inquiry I had no inkling of. The Mottershead Report came out some eight months ago, and its implications have been semi-paralyzing the USCF EB ever since. The idea that there's a whole layer of alternative explanation for the FSS identity, an explanation relatively plausible, not publicly discussed, but disclosed by e-mail to selected private parties -- this is strange stuff. Its strangeness is compounded by the plethora of half-baked explanations put forth by PT/SP supporters, and vigorously debunked in this and other forums. Jeremy, your postings reveal general level-headedness and goodwill, and I'll respect your judgment that there's secret stuff out there that needs "some serious evaluation", but the PT/SP strategy of keeping it semi-secret for the better part of a year leaves me baffled. Usually, the desire to keep things safely under wraps is not a major flag of innocence. I'm at a loss to understand how this could be good either for the USCF or for PT/SP. Isn't this what we have been saying all along? There are things out there that most in this group have no inkling of what is going on. Those of us who have more level heads have simply said that it should be presented in some other place and determined and the discussed here afterwords.( If there will be even anything left to discuss) Just remember the "Prozac" incident. Some folks can be led to attack anything if the thing they attack is a target they want. Ah yes, that day when Rob Mitchell posted to alt.support.depression.medication to mock the posters there. The posting is copied below. Please note that he's never returned to ASDM to apologize to the group for posting a statement he's now admitted was false. **************************** Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com! v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.medication Subject: SSRIs as Performance Enhancers? Date: 24 Feb 2006 11:01:19 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: .com References: wQuJf.1471$dO2.992@trnddc07 . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.156.13.155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1140807686 13257 127.0.0.1 (24 Feb 2006 19:01:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:01:26 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: Injection-Info: v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting- host=70.156.13.155; posting-account=D2Z83AwAAAA-ocdAPTiAARcZxhYxpR_f Black Sheep wrote: On 2006-02-18, radiohead wrote: ssri's are performance inhancers in the sense that you cant have any kind of a sex life on them so you have more time to work. I take Nefazodone (Serzone) and have had no sexual side effects, unlike Paxil and zoloft. I understand that Nefazodone normally does not produce sexual side effects. However, there are other things it does do.... I have been using this: http://tinyurl.com/mldau It has improved my desire and ability even though I am on Prozac. It may or may not work for you. ******************** |
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On Apr 24, 2:29 pm, Mike Murray wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Apr 24, 12:02 pm, "Chess One" wrote: I think perhaps you accept that not everything was or is yet quite in the open here, but your attention to what is and what is not so apparent is possibly now incremented by materials not previously known to yourself. Yes. It is interesting, needs some serious evaluation, and suggests a direction of inquiry I had no inkling of. The Mottershead Report came out some eight months ago, and its implications have been semi-paralyzing the USCF EB ever since. The idea that there's a whole layer of alternative explanation for the FSS identity, an explanation relatively plausible, not publicly discussed, but disclosed by e-mail to selected private parties -- this is strange stuff. Its strangeness is compounded by the plethora of half-baked explanations put forth by PT/SP supporters, and vigorously debunked in this and other forums. Jeremy, your postings reveal general level-headedness and goodwill, and I'll respect your judgment that there's secret stuff out there that needs "some serious evaluation", but the PT/SP strategy of keeping it semi-secret for the better part of a year leaves me baffled. Usually, the desire to keep things safely under wraps is not a major flag of innocence. I'm at a loss to understand how this could be good either for the USCF or for PT/SP. I'm sorry, but this appears to be more of the typical Trollgar/Innes/ Mitchell claque and dagger stuff. I don't see any reason to buy it this time. |
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On Apr 24, 4:42 pm, Mike Murray wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Rob wrote: Isn't this what we have been saying all along? There are things out there that most in this group have no inkling of what is going on. Those of us who have more level heads have simply said that it should be presented in some other place and determined and the discussed here afterwords.( If there will be even anything left to discuss) Sorry, I don't buy that. Those of us who are USCF members have an interest in activities that impact the organization and its governance, and no business puts important questions into suspension while a myriad of lawsuits and other procedures wend their way to resolution. To wait, possibly years on such process, before entering into discussion would be irresponsible. Mottershead made his report public for open critique and evaluation, as well as subjecting himself to personal attack. If the PT/SP have exculpatory information, they should open it up and put this thing to rest. IMO, this is a responsibility they accepted when they became public figures and took a position in USCF governance. Just remember the "Prozac" incident. Not really comparable. You had the real information and made it public after a fairly short interval, corroborating data was out there in the public sphere for any open-minded person to find, and, most importantly, the whole thing was a rather clever joke on your part. It was a rather poor "joke" if it lied to innocent third parties. Rob Mitchell posted an endorsement of a mail-order 'drug' to a newsgroup. In fact he did to several newsgroups. Someone might use one of those questionable products after reading Mitchell's praise of them. As for "corroborating data", why would someone who read one of Mitchell's posts praising some sexual enhancement drug want to look up a sailboat? I'm not sure which is more disturbing, that Mitchell thinks nothing of harming third parties, or that some posters here ignore what he did. Some folks can be led to attack anything if the thing they attack is a target they want. People make decisions based on the information that's available to them. If PT/SP want to keep the information private and depend on other people to trust that it implies certain things, well, that's their business. But they have no right to demand pure faith on the part of the general public. PT/SP's various websites, publicity acts, blogs AND past history contain enough exaggerations, evasions, half-truths, and undocumented claims that it seems unrealistic of them to demand the members just believe, contrary to the implications of the Mottershead Report, that PT is not the FSS and that it will all come out right in the end. Yes, the weight of evidence is rather against the Trollgars, isn't it? |
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On Apr 24, 4:48 pm, The Historian wrote:
On Apr 24, 3:58 pm, Rob wrote: On Apr 24, 2:29 pm, Mike Murray wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Apr 24, 12:02 pm, "Chess One" wrote: I think perhaps you accept that not everything was or is yet quite in the open here, but your attention to what is and what is not so apparent is possibly now incremented by materials not previously known to yourself. Yes. It is interesting, needs some serious evaluation, and suggests a direction of inquiry I had no inkling of. The Mottershead Report came out some eight months ago, and its implications have been semi-paralyzing the USCF EB ever since. The idea that there's a whole layer of alternative explanation for the FSS identity, an explanation relatively plausible, not publicly discussed, but disclosed by e-mail to selected private parties -- this is strange stuff. Its strangeness is compounded by the plethora of half-baked explanations put forth by PT/SP supporters, and vigorously debunked in this and other forums. Jeremy, your postings reveal general level-headedness and goodwill, and I'll respect your judgment that there's secret stuff out there that needs "some serious evaluation", but the PT/SP strategy of keeping it semi-secret for the better part of a year leaves me baffled. Usually, the desire to keep things safely under wraps is not a major flag of innocence. I'm at a loss to understand how this could be good either for the USCF or for PT/SP. Isn't this what we have been saying all along? There are things out there that most in this group have no inkling of what is going on. Those of us who have more level heads have simply said that it should be presented in some other place and determined and the discussed here afterwords.( If there will be even anything left to discuss) Just remember the "Prozac" incident. Some folks can be led to attack anything if the thing they attack is a target they want. Ah yes, that day when Rob Mitchell posted to alt.support.depression.medication to mock the posters there. The posting is copied below. Please note that he's never returned to ASDM to apologize to the group for posting a statement he's now admitted was false. **************************** Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com! v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.medication Subject: SSRIs as Performance Enhancers? Date: 24 Feb 2006 11:01:19 -0800 Organization:http://groups.google.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: .com References: wQuJf.1471$dO2.992@trnddc07 . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.156.13.155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1140807686 13257 127.0.0.1 (24 Feb 2006 19:01:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:01:26 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: Injection-Info: v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting- host=70.156.13.155; posting-account=D2Z83AwAAAA-ocdAPTiAARcZxhYxpR_f Black Sheep wrote: On 2006-02-18, radiohead wrote: ssri's are performance inhancers in the sense that you cant have any kind of a sex life on them so you have more time to work. I take Nefazodone (Serzone) and have had no sexual side effects, unlike Paxil and zoloft. I understand that Nefazodone normally does not produce sexual side effects. However, there are other things it does do.... I have been using this:http://tinyurl.com/mldau It has improved my desire and ability even though I am on Prozac. It may or may not work for you. ******************** I set a trap for you Neil because I knew your reputation as a cyber stalker. That is the one you found most quickly. And your belief of it made you the fool. Yes, My whole family has been on Prozac. But.. I sold Prozac and Prozac was transported to Illinois. Eventually you will find my other crumbs I scattered over the internet. I can hardly wait :-) |
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On Apr 24, 9:51 pm, Rob wrote:
On Apr 24, 4:48 pm, The Historian wrote: On Apr 24, 3:58 pm, Rob wrote: On Apr 24, 2:29 pm, Mike Murray wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Apr 24, 12:02 pm, "Chess One" wrote: I think perhaps you accept that not everything was or is yet quite in the open here, but your attention to what is and what is not so apparent is possibly now incremented by materials not previously known to yourself. Yes. It is interesting, needs some serious evaluation, and suggests a direction of inquiry I had no inkling of. The Mottershead Report came out some eight months ago, and its implications have been semi-paralyzing the USCF EB ever since. The idea that there's a whole layer of alternative explanation for the FSS identity, an explanation relatively plausible, not publicly discussed, but disclosed by e-mail to selected private parties -- this is strange stuff. Its strangeness is compounded by the plethora of half-baked explanations put forth by PT/SP supporters, and vigorously debunked in this and other forums. Jeremy, your postings reveal general level-headedness and goodwill, and I'll respect your judgment that there's secret stuff out there that needs "some serious evaluation", but the PT/SP strategy of keeping it semi-secret for the better part of a year leaves me baffled. Usually, the desire to keep things safely under wraps is not a major flag of innocence. I'm at a loss to understand how this could be good either for the USCF or for PT/SP. Isn't this what we have been saying all along? There are things out there that most in this group have no inkling of what is going on. Those of us who have more level heads have simply said that it should be presented in some other place and determined and the discussed here afterwords.( If there will be even anything left to discuss) Just remember the "Prozac" incident. Some folks can be led to attack anything if the thing they attack is a target they want. Ah yes, that day when Rob Mitchell posted to alt.support.depression.medication to mock the posters there. The posting is copied below. Please note that he's never returned to ASDM to apologize to the group for posting a statement he's now admitted was false. **************************** Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com! v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.medication Subject: SSRIs as Performance Enhancers? Date: 24 Feb 2006 11:01:19 -0800 Organization:http://groups.google.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: .com References: wQuJf.1471$dO2.992@trnddc07 . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.156.13.155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1140807686 13257 127.0.0.1 (24 Feb 2006 19:01:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:01:26 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: Injection-Info: v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting- host=70.156.13.155; posting-account=D2Z83AwAAAA-ocdAPTiAARcZxhYxpR_f Black Sheep wrote: On 2006-02-18, radiohead wrote: ssri's are performance inhancers in the sense that you cant have any kind of a sex life on them so you have more time to work. I take Nefazodone (Serzone) and have had no sexual side effects, unlike Paxil and zoloft. I understand that Nefazodone normally does not produce sexual side effects. However, there are other things it does do.... I have been using this:http://tinyurl.com/mldau It has improved my desire and ability even though I am on Prozac. It may or may not work for you. ******************** I set a trap for you Neil because I knew your reputation as a cyber stalker. That is the one you found most quickly. And your belief of it made you the fool. Yes, My whole family has been on Prozac. But.. I sold Prozac and Prozac was transported to Illinois. Eventually you will find my other crumbs I scattered over the internet. I can hardly wait :-) I don't think your posting phony recommendations of unlicensed drugs to newsgroups makes me a fool. Rather, it makes you something loathsome. |
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On Apr 25, 5:22 am, The Historian wrote:
On Apr 24, 9:51 pm, Rob wrote: On Apr 24, 4:48 pm, The Historian wrote: On Apr 24, 3:58 pm, Rob wrote: On Apr 24, 2:29 pm, Mike Murray wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Apr 24, 12:02 pm, "Chess One" wrote: I think perhaps you accept that not everything was or is yet quite in the open here, but your attention to what is and what is not so apparent is possibly now incremented by materials not previously known to yourself. Yes. It is interesting, needs some serious evaluation, and suggests a direction of inquiry I had no inkling of. The Mottershead Report came out some eight months ago, and its implications have been semi-paralyzing the USCF EB ever since. The idea that there's a whole layer of alternative explanation for the FSS identity, an explanation relatively plausible, not publicly discussed, but disclosed by e-mail to selected private parties -- this is strange stuff. Its strangeness is compounded by the plethora of half-baked explanations put forth by PT/SP supporters, and vigorously debunked in this and other forums. Jeremy, your postings reveal general level-headedness and goodwill, and I'll respect your judgment that there's secret stuff out there that needs "some serious evaluation", but the PT/SP strategy of keeping it semi-secret for the better part of a year leaves me baffled. Usually, the desire to keep things safely under wraps is not a major flag of innocence. I'm at a loss to understand how this could be good either for the USCF or for PT/SP. Isn't this what we have been saying all along? There are things out there that most in this group have no inkling of what is going on. Those of us who have more level heads have simply said that it should be presented in some other place and determined and the discussed here afterwords.( If there will be even anything left to discuss) Just remember the "Prozac" incident. Some folks can be led to attack anything if the thing they attack is a target they want. Ah yes, that day when Rob Mitchell posted to alt.support.depression.medication to mock the posters there. The posting is copied below. Please note that he's never returned to ASDM to apologize to the group for posting a statement he's now admitted was false. **************************** Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com! v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.medication Subject: SSRIs as Performance Enhancers? Date: 24 Feb 2006 11:01:19 -0800 Organization:http://groups.google.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: .com References: wQuJf.1471$dO2.992@trnddc07 . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.156.13.155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1140807686 13257 127.0.0.1 (24 Feb 2006 19:01:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:01:26 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: Injection-Info: v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com; posting- host=70.156.13.155; posting-account=D2Z83AwAAAA-ocdAPTiAARcZxhYxpR_f Black Sheep wrote: On 2006-02-18, radiohead wrote: ssri's are performance inhancers in the sense that you cant have any kind of a sex life on them so you have more time to work. I take Nefazodone (Serzone) and have had no sexual side effects, unlike Paxil and zoloft. I understand that Nefazodone normally does not produce sexual side effects. However, there are other things it does do.... I have been using this:http://tinyurl.com/mldau It has improved my desire and ability even though I am on Prozac. It may or may not work for you. ******************** I set a trap for you Neil because I knew your reputation as a cyber stalker. That is the one you found most quickly. And your belief of it made you the fool. Yes, My whole family has been on Prozac. But.. I sold Prozac and Prozac was transported to Illinois. Eventually you will find my other crumbs I scattered over the internet. I can hardly wait :-) I don't think your posting phony recommendations of unlicensed drugs to newsgroups makes me a fool. Rather, it makes you something loathsome. You got caught. You fell for it. You proved to everyone you are an internet troll. But thats okay. |
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On Apr 24, 1:04 pm, Rob wrote:
"I do not have a desire to "attack" Ms. Polgar, Mr. Truong, or Mr. P Innes. Nor do I consider myself to have done so. We await you withdrawing your 'charges' and your admission of error. Neil the Chess Cafe writer. " Neil Brennen first included Phil. Ask him about it. ============================== recant One entry found. recant Main Entry: re·cant Pronunciation: \ri-ˈkant\ Function: verb Etymology: Latin recantare, from re- + cantare to sing — more at chant Date: 1535 transitive verb 1 : to withdraw or repudiate (a statement or belief) formally and publicly : renounce 2 : revoke intransitive verb : to make an open confession of error ========================== All Neil has to do is approve the statement and my apology is given. Ball's in his court. I, Neil Brennen, do not have a desire to "attack" Ms. Polgar, Mr. Truong, or Mr. Phil Innes. I admit to and recant my use or variation of the term "Trollgar" If Mr. Brennen aproves this statement, He has my apology. Looks as if Neil is going to deny some more. He can't even own his own words. SO Are we to suppose he does not deny? |
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