Subject: Tim Hanke's Cultural Prejudice
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(Don Mihokovich) wrote in message
.com...

**snips galore**

I am a Mensan with a Doctoral degree; and am a partner in a @200
lawyer law firm in which I specialize in complex commercial litigation
matters. I am making a call for peace. Do you understand this Mark,
or are you a total moron?

KidDon

Is it possible that the relationship between Mensa membership and ELO
rating is an inverse one?

http://www.64.com/uscf/ratings/12868376

Or (more likely) is this the rating of another family member?

In either case, it's significantly higher than my initial rating of
930!

IMO Mensans, for the most part, are under achievers (KidDon obviously
excluded). Also, when describing themselves, being a Mensan is always stated
first.




"Ever since I lost a lung to cancer, I've cut my smoking in half"

Tony D.

"IMO Mensans, for the most part, are under achievers..." (tdilucente)
=============
Likewise chess players, with some exceptions, of course. (RSHaas)

"Mark Houlsby" wrote in message

I said that I'm not smart...


No argument here.


If Mr. Houlsby knows that he is not smart, then he is a lot smarter than I
had thought.




Newsflash:

In fact, President Bush right now has on his desk, awaiting only his
signature, an extradition treaty with Great Brittain.

Criminals and net-ettiquette abusers be warned: you can run, but you can't
hide!

For years, the evil Britts have harried hapless American flag-wavers via the
internet. But now, all that is going to change. Now that Bush has finally
secured the long-sought-after extradition treaty with GB, heads are gonna roll.

What did Great Brittain get in return for this concession? The right to
continue using (their mangled version of) OUR language.

illspam (NoMoreChess) wrote in message ...
"Mark Houlsby" wrote in message

I said that I'm not smart...


No argument here.


If Mr. Houlsby knows that he is not smart, then he is a lot smarter than I
had thought.



In other words, you misunderestimated me, whereas I misoverestimated myself...

Nick (The Pedantic Twit) wrote:


Tim Hanke created the thread, "Nick Bourbaki's Many Lies", to make a baseless
ad hominem attack on me. Tim Hanke has *not* provided evidence of my alleged
"many lies" about him. Also, Tim Hanke has *not* retracted his accusation,
and Tim Hanke has *not* apologised. Although perhaps not in your eyes,
Tim Hanke's misbehaviour brings dishonour only to him, none to me.

I posted a complete proof of your lies about me, Nick.
When can I expect your apology?

"StanB" wrote in message ...
"Nick" wrote in message
m...
(snipped by StanB)
Evidently, StanB intended to make a 'joke' aimed at Jerome Bibuld.
But StanB also objects to Bill Brock's comment that Tim Hanke has made
'racist remarks' here, so that part was snipped.

You're projecting. I automatically snip any such post that would require me
to concede such a point. I simply don't subscribe to it.

Evidently, StanB has confirmed that he "simply (doesn't) subscribe" to
Bill Brock's "point" that Tim Hanke has made "racist remarks" (Bill Brock's
comment) here. So how could I be "projecting" about what StanB believes
and why he snipped Bill Brock's post to me?

I also state that you are the racist here. You ignore the genocide and
cannibalism of the intraracism of Africans.

"Lies is lies. Howsoever they come, they didn't ought to come, and they
come from the father of lies, and work round to the same."
--Charles Dickens (Great Expectations)

StanB has flagrantly *lied* again. I have *not* ignored the existence of
genocide in Africa. Here's the evidence to prove that StanB has *lied*:

In the thread, 'Zhang Zhong revisited' (26 June 2003), I responded *directly*
to StanB's baseless ad hominem attack on me by writing in part:

"StanB asks: 'In the last century where have most acts of genocide taken place?'

In the 20th (last) century, 'acts of genocide' have taken place in widely
separated regions around the world. 'Most acts of genocide' did not take
place at a solitary location. Many 'acts of genocide' took place in Europe
during the 1930-40s. Many 'acts of genocide' also took place in Asia.
But I suppose that StanB prefers to consider only 'acts of genocide' in
Africa.

In the past several centuries, there have been many 'acts of genocide' in
Africa, for which Europeans, Arabs, and Africans themselves all have been
responsible. It's been estimated that the European slave trade captured
10-15 million Africans (and more were killed while attempting to escape it).
The European rubber trade tended to treat African workers with close to
genocidal cruelty. Given his emphasis on the 'place' of 'acts of genocide',
StanB seems to imply that if those acts took place in Africa, then the guilty
must all be indigenous Africans. But that conclusion is only partially true.

Of course, in 1994 the ruling Hutus were mainly responsible for the genocide of
Tutsis in Rwanda. (I knew a Rwandan academic whose entire family was murdered.)
Yet blame also should be distributed among many onlookers outside Rwanda.

'...That was the genocide in Rwanda in 1994, in which, according to one
calculation...the daily killing rate was five times that of the Nazi death
camps 50 years earlier.

It is now well known that the UN, thanks to the reports of the commander of
its tiny force in Rwanda, Romeo Dallaire, had received *ample warning* that
a programme of butchery was planned. So, therefore, had the countries on the
UN Security Council. Yet for the first crucial weeks, as hundreds of thousands
of people were hacked to death, General Dallaire was *ignored*. Members of
the Clinton administration would *not* even dare to describe the slaughter as
*genocide*, for fear that would *oblige* them, under the 1949 genocide
convention, to *take action*. Only France sent troops--late and for dubious
reasons of geopolitical rivalry, though they certainly saved some lives. Apart
from General Dallaire and a contingent of Ghanaian peacekeepers, *no one*,
including Mr Annan, as he himself as bravely admitted, comes well out of the
Rwandan affair.'

--The Economist (May 13-19, 2000, p. 4, Review of Books section)"

Here's a link to my complete post in *direct response to StanB*:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?T53942665

What will StanB lie about next?

Instead you twist whatever mizunge says in his disgust of you, as some
racist remark.
StanB

As I recall, StanB already has quite a record of misspelling words in English.
Now StanB has added misspelling words in Swahili, such as "mizunge" (sic), to
his favourite anti-intellectual opening repetoire.

"He was a falsehood done in flesh and blood."
--Mark Twain (The Gilded Age)

--Nick

"Nick" wrote in message
om...

Instead you twist whatever mizunge says in his disgust of you, as some
racist remark.

As I recall, StanB already has quite a record of misspelling words in
English.
Now StanB has added misspelling words in Swahili, such as "mizunge" (sic),
to
his favourite anti-intellectual opening repetoire.

That was the spelling given by a CBS report for an African slang word which
translates to "whitey". The fact that Nick didn't know what it means lends
credence to the notion that he is a fraud.

StanB

"I see the bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see earthquakes and lightnin'.
I see bad times today."

and,

"Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like we're in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye."

--J.C. Fogerty

"StanB" wrote in message ...
"Nick" wrote in message
om...

Of course, StanB completely snipped my proof that he has *lied* again about me.
Please read all that evidence in my earlier post in this thread.

Instead you twist whatever mizunge says in his disgust of you, as some
racist remark.

As I recall, StanB already has quite a record of misspelling words in
English. Now StanB has added misspelling words in Swahili, such as
"mizunge" (sic), to his favourite anti-intellectual opening repetoire.

That was the spelling given by a CBS report for an African slang word which
translates to "whitey". The fact that Nick didn't know what it means lends
credence to the notion that he is a fraud.
StanB

I don't know what StanB claims to have seen or heard from CBS. And I
don't know anything about the context or the accuracy of that "CBS report".
A Google search for "mizunge" and "CBS" found nothing at all about it.
Can StanB cite a specific reference for his "CBS report"?

But I do know that, in fact, "mzungu" (not "mizunge") is a Swahili word for
a foreigner (not necessarily a European). An African American tourist may
be regarded as a "mzungu" in Kenya or Tanzania.

--Nick

snip
__________________________________________
O.k. guys. This subject has been discussed ad nauseum, and the
election is over. Unless Tim makes some new "culturally prejudiced"
remarks that are newsworthy, why don't we just put this to rest? It's
time to try to work together.

KidDon

Work together with whom? Work towards what?

Are you an irredeemable moron as well as a disingenuous troll?

YOU started the troll thread: "Tim Hanke's Cultural Prejudice".

Timothy Hanke started the troll thread: "Nick Bourbaki's many lies".

The fact is that Bourbaki has *never* lied in these groups. He's made
mistakes, his behaviour has been misguided on occasion (which of us
can say that we have not made mistakes? I know I cannot) but he has
*never* lied.

Unless Mr. Hanke can *substantiate* his accusation against Mr.
Bourbaki, then he must *withdraw* it and *apologise*.

In case you haven't got this, yet: I am a Brit, and have ABSOLUTELY NO
INTEREST in this political crap. This means I have *nothing to lose*
by hanging out here.

I'll be outa here as soon as Hanke, StanB and Briarroot make amends
for their unconscionable behaviour, however.

Do you understand this, Don, or should I use shorter words?

Mark
_________________________________
Don't start on me Mark, and don't even attempt to insult my intellect.
I am a Mensan with a Doctoral degree; and am a partner in a @200
lawyer law firm in which I specialize in complex commercial litigation
matters. I am making a call for peace. Do you understand this Mark,
or are you a total moron?

KidDon

Dear Mr. Mihokovich,

If you're threatening me then you'd better be prepared to carry out
your threat.

Go right ahead, smart guy... send an extradition treaty to England why
dontcha?

On the other hand, if you're *really* making a call for peace, (and I
would *much* prefer that) then the *only* person who can make peace
with me is Timothy
Hanke, who *started* this *completely unprovoked* flame war, and who
you now claim to support.

Now I'm really not smart. I'm not a Mensan. I don't have a doctorate.

Neither am I shrewd. Neither am I a politician.

If I *was* a smart, shrewd politician, however, I think I'd know what
to do...

RGCP doesn't *belong* to you guys who are associated with the USCF.
You can't make *unprovoked* attacks against innocent foreigners and
expect to get away with it.

Unless of course, you're prepared to go to the length of issuing an
extradition treaty over this...

What's your next move, Mr. "Mensan with a Doctorate"? Will it be smart
or dumb?

Mark Houlsby

___________________________________

Now that sounds completely moronic. There is no threat in my post.
Even if there were, an "extradition treaty" is an agreement between
Sovereign Nations, not something you or I could issue.

KidDon

p.s. For whatever it is worth, the US and UK already have an
extradition treaty.
http://members.freespeech.org/irishp...ion_treaty.htm

peace,

don

From: (Don Mihokovich)
Date: 01/08/03 19:59 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id:

snip
__________________________________________
O.k. guys. This subject has been discussed ad nauseum, and the
election is over. Unless Tim makes some new "culturally prejudiced"
remarks that are newsworthy, why don't we just put this to rest?
It's
time to try to work together.

KidDon

Work together with whom? Work towards what?

Are you an irredeemable moron as well as a disingenuous troll?

YOU started the troll thread: "Tim Hanke's Cultural Prejudice".

Timothy Hanke started the troll thread: "Nick Bourbaki's many lies".

The fact is that Bourbaki has *never* lied in these groups. He's made
mistakes, his behaviour has been misguided on occasion (which of us
can say that we have not made mistakes? I know I cannot) but he has
*never* lied.

Unless Mr. Hanke can *substantiate* his accusation against Mr.
Bourbaki, then he must *withdraw* it and *apologise*.

In case you haven't got this, yet: I am a Brit, and have ABSOLUTELY NO
INTEREST in this political crap. This means I have *nothing to lose*
by hanging out here.

I'll be outa here as soon as Hanke, StanB and Briarroot make amends
for their unconscionable behaviour, however.

Do you understand this, Don, or should I use shorter words?

Mark
_________________________________
Don't start on me Mark, and don't even attempt to insult my intellect.
I am a Mensan with a Doctoral degree; and am a partner in a @200
lawyer law firm in which I specialize in complex commercial litigation
matters. I am making a call for peace. Do you understand this Mark,
or are you a total moron?

KidDon

Dear Mr. Mihokovich,

If you're threatening me then you'd better be prepared to carry out
your threat.

Go right ahead, smart guy... send an extradition treaty to England why
dontcha?

On the other hand, if you're *really* making a call for peace, (and I
would *much* prefer that) then the *only* person who can make peace
with me is Timothy
Hanke, who *started* this *completely unprovoked* flame war, and who
you now claim to support.

Now I'm really not smart. I'm not a Mensan. I don't have a doctorate.

Neither am I shrewd. Neither am I a politician.

If I *was* a smart, shrewd politician, however, I think I'd know what
to do...

RGCP doesn't *belong* to you guys who are associated with the USCF.
You can't make *unprovoked* attacks against innocent foreigners and
expect to get away with it.

Unless of course, you're prepared to go to the length of issuing an
extradition treaty over this...

What's your next move, Mr. "Mensan with a Doctorate"? Will it be smart
or dumb?

Mark Houlsby

___________________________________

Now that sounds completely moronic. There is no threat in my post.
Even if there were, an "extradition treaty" is an agreement between
Sovereign Nations, not something you or I could issue.

KidDon

p.s. For whatever it is worth, the US and UK already have an
extradition treaty.
http://members.freespeech.org/irishp...ion_treaty.htm

peace,

don


Idiot. I already corrected this, he

http://makeashorterlink.com/?K34926675

You wanna try again, troll??

peace yourself,

Mark