As usual, our Larry distorts and misrepresents. Also demonstrates
his inability to read. A few comments below:

On Apr 22, 12:19*am, " wrote:
A DEED OF SHAME

* Hmmm, so Larry would have preferred that Germany
won World War I. Interesting. -- Taylor Kingston

* *Trust Taylor Kingston to offer the argument of a
jackanapes. I wrote that if Germany had won WW1
in 1917, the world would have been saved many of the
the central horrors of the 20th century.

Thinking up horrors, and actually creating them, has long been one
of man's great skills. I think a more plausible guess is that had
Germany won WW I in some alternate universe's 1917, there would still
have been an ample supply of "central horrors" not significantly
different from those our history records.
And I say "guess" quite honestly, because that's all this "alternate
history" fantasizing is. Larry's vision of a post-WWI world free of
totalitarianism strikes me as naive. I would agee with him that such a
world might not have "Hitlerism, Stalinism, or Maoism," but it would
very likely have had evil dictators with other names.
And in that alternate universe, Larry Parr, or someone like him,
would probably be here arguing that if only the Allies had shown more
determination, and if only America had entered the war in 1917, the
world would have been spared all those evils, and would have been made
safe for democracy.

* *So *Kingston then infers that I preferred a German victory.
My preference was for an allied victory in 1915 or 1916 -- and
then the victory of either side in 1917. *Anything, in short,
to avoid the fatal year of 1918.

I would have preferred that, having won on the Western Front in
1918, the Allies had marched into Germany itself. By clearly
demonstrating to the German people, on their own soil, that they had
in fact been militarily defeated, there would have been no myth that
"the army had been betrayed" for agitators like Hitler to use
later.

* * *If you want to understand Kingston's approach
to historical thought, his response is exemplary.
Perhaps the two of us can agree on that much.

If you want to understand Larry Parr's approach to argument, keep in
mind that he will say pretty much anything, no matter how absurd, to
support Sam Sloan. He may make it sound all pretty and intellectual,
but the basic aim is to make Sloan look good, or at least less
ridiculous, no matter what the facts may be.

* * *Kingston's next attempt at an argument is to
reduce the observation that WWI resulted in
the decivilization of world politics to a silly reference
to Queen Victoria and haemophilia.

Ahem, Larry -- that statement was made by Sam Sloan, not by me.

* * * What our Kingston creature would have the
readers of this forum imagine is that the idea of WWI
as a disaster leading to the horrors of totalitarianism
is a farfetched historical construct.

See, there you go misrepresenting again, Larry. I never said any
such thing. World War I was indeed a terrible disaster, and yes, it
certainly did contribute heavily to the rise of totalitarianism. My
point here has never been to say otherwise.
My point here is that what you "would have readers of this forum
imagine," that German victory in WW I would have led somehow to a
wonderful alternate world, is just castles in the air.

It is not.

Speaking of "farfetched historical constructs," I find especially
farfetched your statement that with a German victory "Stalin would
have ended up as a zookeeper in the Central Caucasus, Trotsky a
radical editor in NYC and Lenin a fairly well-off, if frustrated,
French tutor for advantaged children in Zurich."
Since it was, in large part, the Germans who put the Bolsheviks in
power in 1917, bankrolling their movement and shipping Lenin back to
Russia, and since Lenin so blithely gave them everything they wanted
at Brest-Litovsk, I tend to think the Germans would have been quite
happy to leave him in power.

* * * And what did Kingston's hero Woodrow Wilson

Eh? You're fabricating again, Larry. I have never referred here to
Wilson as any hero of mine.

On Apr 22, 8:15 am, wrote:

And what did Kingston's hero Woodrow Wilson

Eh? You're fabricating again, Larry. I have never referred here to
Wilson as any hero of mine.

He's as sloppy as Innes. Sloan was the one who brought in Wilson as an
example of "an exemplary president"... Larry is too busy thinking up
how he can relate some comment to a Greek play or "Animal House" to
pay attention to the actual content of a discussion. As you noted
earlier, it's the "I will pretend to be witty and intellectual to
cover up my deficiencies" approach to discourse.

On Apr 22, 9:48 am, SBD wrote:
On Apr 22, 8:15 am, wrote:



And what did Kingston's hero Woodrow Wilson

Eh? You're fabricating again, Larry. I have never referred here to
Wilson as any hero of mine.

He's as sloppy as Innes. Sloan was the one who brought in Wilson as an
example of "an exemplary president"... Larry is too busy thinking up
how he can relate some comment to a Greek play or "Animal House" to
pay attention to the actual content of a discussion. As you noted
earlier, it's the "I will pretend to be witty and intellectual to
cover up my deficiencies" approach to discourse.

Wrong. I was the one who brought up Warren G. Harding as "an exemplary
president".

Sam Sloan

On Apr 22, 8:48 am, SBD wrote:
On Apr 22, 8:15 am, wrote:



And what did Kingston's hero Woodrow Wilson

Eh? You're fabricating again, Larry. I have never referred here to
Wilson as any hero of mine.

He's as sloppy as Innes. ...

I disagree. Innes is in a class, or a cell, of his own.

Larry is too busy thinking up
how he can relate some comment to a Greek play or "Animal House" to
pay attention to the actual content of a discussion. As you noted
earlier, it's the "I will pretend to be witty and intellectual to
cover up my deficiencies" approach to discourse.

I found it amusing that a recent reference to Aristophanes' The Frogs
went over his head. Larry must have small Latin and less Greek, even
in translation.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:25:53 -0700 (PDT), samsloan
wrote:


Think about this: Bobby Fischer wrote a book in 1959. Published by
Simon and Schuster it is completely forgotten today. I cannot even
find a reference to it anywhere, not even as a used book. Do you know
where I can find it?

It's called "Bobby Fischer's Games of Chess", a small book, 97 pages.
Fischer's introduction is dated August, 1958. The book, dedicated to
Carmine Nigro, consists of a biographical intro, Fischer's games,
lightly annotated, from the U.S. Championship, played 12/17/57 through
1/8/58, plus his games, unannotated, from the Portoroz 1958
Interzonal. Fischer acknowledges help from John W. Collins "in the
preparation of the manuscript".

MY 60 MEMORABLE GAMES

Mike Murray wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:25:53 -0700 (PDT), samsloan
wrote:


Think about this: Bobby Fischer wrote a book in 1959. Published by
Simon and Schuster it is completely forgotten today. I cannot even
find a reference to it anywhere, not even as a used book. Do you know
where I can find it?

It's called "Bobby Fischer's Games of Chess", a small book, 97 pages.
Fischer's introduction is dated August, 1958. The book, dedicated to
Carmine Nigro, consists of a biographical intro, Fischer's games,
lightly annotated, from the U.S. Championship, played 12/17/57 through
1/8/58, plus his games, unannotated, from the Portoroz 1958
Interzonal. Fischer acknowledges help from John W. Collins "in the
preparation of the manuscript".

MY 60 MEMORABLE GAMES

Just compare that slim volume with the quality of his masterpiece to
see the enormous influence of GM Larry Evans on Bobby's path to the
world championship.


Mike Murray wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:25:53 -0700 (PDT), samsloan
wrote:


Think about this: Bobby Fischer wrote a book in 1959. Published by
Simon and Schuster it is completely forgotten today. I cannot even
find a reference to it anywhere, not even as a used book. Do you know
where I can find it?

It's called "Bobby Fischer's Games of Chess", a small book, 97 pages.
Fischer's introduction is dated August, 1958. The book, dedicated to
Carmine Nigro, consists of a biographical intro, Fischer's games,
lightly annotated, from the U.S. Championship, played 12/17/57 through
1/8/58, plus his games, unannotated, from the Portoroz 1958
Interzonal. Fischer acknowledges help from John W. Collins "in the
preparation of the manuscript".

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:00:09 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

MY 60 MEMORABLE GAMES

Just compare that slim volume with the quality of his masterpiece to
see the enormous influence of GM Larry Evans on Bobby's path to the
world championship.

The fact that Fischer wrote the first book when he was 15 and the
second when he was 26 might also have something to do with it. :-)

What a tragedy that Fischer and Evans never collaborated on subsequent
volumes of Fischer's later memorable games.

On Apr 22, 4:55 pm, Mike Murray wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:25:53 -0700 (PDT), samsloan

wrote:
Think about this: Bobby Fischer wrote a book in 1959. Published by
Simon and Schuster it is completely forgotten today. I cannot even
find a reference to it anywhere, not even as a used book. Do you know
where I can find it?

It's called "Bobby Fischer's Games of Chess", a small book, 97 pages.
Fischer's introduction is dated August, 1958. The book, dedicated to
Carmine Nigro, consists of a biographical intro, Fischer's games,
lightly annotated, from the U.S. Championship, played 12/17/57 through
1/8/58, plus his games, unannotated, from the Portoroz 1958
Interzonal. Fischer acknowledges help from John W. Collins "in the
preparation of the manuscript".

That is the right book.

Do you have the book or know anybody who has one?

Sam Sloan

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:35:53 -0700 (PDT), samsloan
wrote:


wrote:
Think about this: Bobby Fischer wrote a book in 1959. Published by
Simon and Schuster it is completely forgotten today. I cannot even
find a reference to it anywhere, not even as a used book. Do you know
where I can find it?

It's called "Bobby Fischer's Games of Chess", a small book, 97 pages.
Fischer's introduction is dated August, 1958. The book, dedicated to
Carmine Nigro, consists of a biographical intro, Fischer's games,
lightly annotated, from the U.S. Championship, played 12/17/57 through
1/8/58, plus his games, unannotated, from the Portoroz 1958
Interzonal. Fischer acknowledges help from John W. Collins "in the
preparation of the manuscript".

That is the right book.

Do you have the book or know anybody who has one?

Sam Sloan

I bought it about 1959. I've seen it pop up on e-bay occasionally.