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  #51  
Old May 1st 08, 11:34 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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FISCHER & KASPAROV ON THE USCF (some 20-odd years ago)

“As far as the U.S. Chess Federation goes, I have nothing to do with
them, I consider them to be a pro-Soviet, criminal organization,
terrible people. I would like...I would appreciate it if all my fans
canceled their subscriptions to their horrible magazine Chess Life. I
call it Chess Lies -- and withdrew from membership of this
organization.” -- Bobby Fischer

“The small minded leaders of the Unites States Chess Federation try to
keep it an amateur game and must be purged like entrenched Communist
Bureaucrats.” -- Garry Kasparov

P.S. Of course, when CL made it mandatory for every article to have a
red-baiting angle, Evans complied with his wild, fact-free
allegations --

David Kane cannot prove his ludicrous charge because there was never
any
such policy -- either verbal or written. In fact, the powers-that-be
largely tried to squelch exposure of
either FIDE's dirty deeds or Soviet cheating.

And so it goes.



wrote:
ATTACK IS THE BEST DEFENSE

Of course, when CL made it mandatory for every article to have a
red- baiting angle, Evans complied with his wild, fact-free
allegations --
David Kane

The opposite of rabid anti-Soviet bias evidently is pro-Soviet bias,
largely exhibited here by both Jurgen and David Kane who lied
outright because no such directive was ever issued by me or
any other editor of Chess Life to any writer in this magazine..
In fact, the opposite was true. GM Evans was asked to tone down
his criticism of FIDE on several occasions..

IIf David Kane has any proof of his ludicrous charge, let him
present it here.

Unable to offer a scintilla of proof -- as expected -- the Kanestar
typically launches new smears and the old Ad Hom Attack.



David Kane wrote:
wrote in message
....
PUT UP OR SHUT UP, MR. KANE!

Of course, when CL made it mandatory for every article to have a
red-
baiting angle, Evans complied with his wild, fact-free allegations --
David
Kane

The opposite of rabid anti-Soviet bias evidently is pro-Soviet bias,
largely exhibited here by bothf Jurgen and David Kane who lied
outright because no such directive was ever issued by me or
any other editor of Chess Life to any writer in this magazine..
In fact, the opposite was true. GM Evans was asked to tone down
his criticism of FIDE on several occasions..

If David Kane has any proof of his ludicrous charge, let him present
it here.


Parr continues to astound with his ridiculous arguments. First,
he raised the technicality that GM Evans' was an independent
contractor rather than a salaried employee as proof of something.
His new line is that only a written directive can establish policy.
The man is surely confused. If you are going to shoot down
strawmen, at least build up something worth shooting at.

During the period that Chess Life was filled cover to cover
with sophomoric polemic, do you think that GM Evans
was too stupid to notice? Of course not. And it was at
this time that his own writing moved away from its somewhat
more responsible approach earlier in his life.

There are more inconsistencies in Evans' output than
any one man can document. Many of them have been
posted here repeatedly (such as his approach to
Fischer, at first reasonable, later blaming the Soviets
for Fischer's own behavior) and I'll not bother
repeating it.

A particular favorite of mine is approach to playing
in Cuba. He portrays himself as a fearless maverick -
defying the embargo as a matter of principle. But
isn't that just aiding the same evil communists responsible
for all of the worlds ills in his other posts? Not only
that, but he brings out this particular little story as a
reason for why it was wrong to get upset at
Fischer for defying the worldwide embargo
on Serbia - a country, let us not forget, that
was actively engaged in genocidal repression.

Consistency is not highly valued in Parr's crowd.

For the record, I do not hold Karpov responsible
for the USSR's wrongdoing any more than I
hold Keres' responsible for the Nazis' for playing
in Nazi-organized tournaments. How they
behaved politically is frankly of little interest to
me. How they behaved as chessplaying sportsmen
has a lot more to do with my view of them.
And Karpov does deserve condemnation on
that count - there was abominable sportsmanship
on both sides and Karpov certainly does deserve
some of the blame for the behavior of his side.

But the truth is that for both Karpov and
Korchnoi it was always about the chess -
the political controversy was a manufactured
sideshow. And they did give the chess world a
memorable match.

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Old May 2nd 08, 12:26 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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GM Yasser Seirawan, when asked if he ever saw any evidence of this in
his own experience, said: "His charge is absolutely true! I've seen it
happen. Soviet stars were expected to finish behind Karpov and I saw
Polugaevsky throw away an easy draw against him in this simple
endgame.



I went to chessgames.com and replayed this game.

It seemed to me that GM Polugaevsky gave GM
Karpov a very difficult time-- forcing him onto defense
for much of the game. However, at the very, very
finish, it is not clear how or why the "1-0" score was
achieved, since the position is drawn. Was there a
flag fall? Did some idiot *resign*, where even the
GetClub program might have held the draw?


The position is lost for Black after 53. -- Nxa5 but is
drawn after 53. -- Nd4.




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Old May 2nd 08, 04:03 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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LOW-LIFES LIKE PARR

And I can lament the fact that his association with low-lifes like
yourself has
cheated the chess world out of some good work, the truth is that he
{GM Evans]
doesn't owe me or the chess world anything. -- David Kane

So, then, David Kane charged Larry Evans with
being a USCF appaartchik, though he tells us more for
ego than for money or "lifetime employment.".

The truth, as readers here know, is that no
columnist was fired more often and rehired more
often than GM Larry Evans. And if one counts the
behind-the-scenes threats and the censoring of
articles written by Evans, then one is counting
possibly as many as 100 or more battles over the
years. Policy Boards and, no doubt, the current
Executive Board made angry discussion of Evans'
work in Chess Life at a staple at meetings. He revealed
scandalous news they didn't want readers to know.

Kanester's charge was not a lie. It was worse
than that. It was an inversion of truth.

Next came Kanester's charge that Evans wrote
unwarranted (if his charge is to have any meaning)
anti-Soviet material (e.g., mentioning that Viktor Korchnoi's
son was arrested, sent to a labor camp, and beaten on the
eve of his second match with Karpov).

I asked the Kanester for proof. What I received was
a statement that amounted to this: "I, David Kane, a
nobody in the chess world, have no proof that any such
directive was ever handed down. The absence of proof
on my part is proof in itself. I shall not retract any of the
charges and, in one instance, inversion of truth that I wrote
about Larry Evans. The fact that I invert factoids and cannot
addudice proof is proof itself that I speak the truth."

That is the current Kanester position The lovely and rather
succulent thing is that it will continue to be his position.

And so it goes.

Yours, Larry Parr





David Kane wrote:
wrote in message
...
ATTACK IS THE BEST DEFENSE

Larry - When your argument boils down to Larry Evans' tax status as a CL writer,
and the absence of
a written directive to politicize chess, you should be grateful for any response
whatsoever.

You obviously take yourself very seriously, but you take your role as defender
of GM Evans'
honor way too seriously. So his positions changed over the years, he
misremembers things in
a way favorable to his present beliefs, and he has a tendency to exaggerate his
own
accomplishments? Really that describes just about everybody.

The irony is that the comic book story of Evans that you peddle incessantly
doesn't
really make him look that good.

And I can lament the fact that his association with low-lifes like yourself has
cheated the chess world out of some good work, the truth is that he doesn't
owe me or the chess world anything.

  #54  
Old May 2nd 08, 05:28 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On May 1, 10:03 pm, " wrote:

Snip latest rant.


I think Mr. Parr is slipping. Some time back, his
prattle could at least be expected to have good
spelling and an anecdote here and there about
"fave" Josef Stalin. Nowadays, he commits nearly
as many spelling errors as Rob Mitchell or Phil
nearly-IMnes. It's quite a drop in standards, even
by his own, ultra-low standards. This sort of thing
needs to be nipped in the bud, before it gets out
of hand.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now here is what I find a bit puzzling: notorious
hack Raymond Keene was quoted here as writing
that both Anatoly Karpov and Victor Kortchnoi
were in "peak form" during their championship
match. I did a little research to see if any purely
objective data backed that observation up, and it
did: both players had an above-normal result, just
looking at the numbers (at chessmetrics.com).

So, if that is true, then GM Kortchnoi somehow
managed to perform *well* in spite of what the evil
Soviets did to his son. And GM Karpov managed
to perform well enough, in spite of supposed
death threats from the Ananda Marga, Helter-
Skelter types. In any case, it is notable that a
hack like Ray Keene -- who can always be count-
ed on to attack Mr. Karpov, would in this case
make such an assessment-- if indeed that was his
overall assessment of the match.


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Old May 2nd 08, 06:11 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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wrote in message
...
LOW-LIFES LIKE PARR

And I can lament the fact that his association with low-lifes like
yourself has
cheated the chess world out of some good work, the truth is that he
{GM Evans]
doesn't owe me or the chess world anything. -- David Kane


I asked the Kanester for proof.


The proof is the magazine itself. As far as Parr's "points",
I've already recanted use of the term "apparatchik"
for GM Evans which has too strong a connotation
of conformity that does not apply in this case where
the USCF has no official voice. When CL did pass
through its USSR obsession, Evans *was* first in line.
However, as help bot has pointed out, that could be
mere coincidence. The more appropriate description
of Evans is that of the consummate bureaucratic
insider, using his connections and alliances to
guarantee his personal survival, even as the
federation's own fortunes (not coincidentally)
suffered.

Parr's obsession with "written directives" is
rather ironic given his journalistically inappropriate
reliance on rumor, hearsay, etc. But of course
policies can be effected without such directives,
so it is the classic red-herring.

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Old May 5th 08, 07:56 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On May 1, 6:26 pm, Jürgen R. wrote:

GM Yasser Seirawan, when asked if he ever saw any evidence of this in
his own experience, said: "His charge is absolutely true! I've seen it
happen. Soviet stars were expected to finish behind Karpov and I saw
Polugaevsky throw away an easy draw against him in this simple
endgame.


I went to chessgames.com and replayed this game.


It seemed to me that GM Polugaevsky gave GM
Karpov a very difficult time-- forcing him onto defense
for much of the game. However, at the very, very
finish, it is not clear how or why the "1-0" score was
achieved, since the position is drawn. Was there a
flag fall? Did some idiot *resign*, where even the
GetClub program might have held the draw?


The position is lost for Black after 53. -- Nxa5 but is
drawn after 53. -- Nd4.



That is an ordinary mistake. What I was looking
for was an "obvious", game-throwing blunder in an
"easily drawn" position.

I erred in thinking it was a draw at the very finish;
White wins by force, and this explains GM
Polugaevsky's resignation.

Back to 53. ... Nd4+ though: I've seen far worse
oversights by grandmasters; one fairly recent
example was then-world champion Kramnik
overlooking a mate-in-one which many weak
players might well have seen. It is ludicrous to
assert intentions where such things exist, as in
fact they do. It is simply arrogance to maintain
that grandmasters are error-free chess machines.
In the real world (not Evans ratpacker La-la land),
everyone makes such mistakes-- even the world
champions.


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Old May 5th 08, 01:38 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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"help bot" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
On May 1, 6:26 pm, Jürgen R. wrote:

GM Yasser Seirawan, when asked if he ever saw any evidence of this in
his own experience, said: "His charge is absolutely true! I've seen it
happen. Soviet stars were expected to finish behind Karpov and I saw
Polugaevsky throw away an easy draw against him in this simple
endgame.


I went to chessgames.com and replayed this game.


It seemed to me that GM Polugaevsky gave GM
Karpov a very difficult time-- forcing him onto defense
for much of the game. However, at the very, very
finish, it is not clear how or why the "1-0" score was
achieved, since the position is drawn. Was there a
flag fall? Did some idiot *resign*, where even the
GetClub program might have held the draw?


The position is lost for Black after 53. -- Nxa5 but is
drawn after 53. -- Nd4.



That is an ordinary mistake. What I was looking
for was an "obvious", game-throwing blunder in an
"easily drawn" position.

I erred in thinking it was a draw at the very finish;
White wins by force, and this explains GM
Polugaevsky's resignation.

Back to 53. ... Nd4+ though: I've seen far worse
oversights by grandmasters; one fairly recent
example was then-world champion Kramnik
overlooking a mate-in-one which many weak
players might well have seen. It is ludicrous to
assert intentions where such things exist, as in
fact they do. It is simply arrogance to maintain
that grandmasters are error-free chess machines.
In the real world (not Evans ratpacker La-la land),
everyone makes such mistakes-- even the world
champions.


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_________________________________________

Yes, of course: The mistake is most likely due to loss
of concentration, since the endgame is easily drawn and
the game finished.

All these conspiracy theories are absurd: Chess
players sometimes make mistakes, and occasionally
grand masters make mistakes that beginners would
avoid.

The idea that there wasn't enormous competition
among the Soviet players is just as silly as to believe that the
top players don't often agree to quick and easy
draws.

Idiots like Parr will randomly choose arguments that
suit their momentary purpose, e.g. one moment the Soviets
are discriminating against Jewish players, the next
moment they favor a Jewish player over an ethnic
Russian. Most likely the political potentates didn't
pay any more attention to the silly squabbles among
chess players in the USSR than they did in the USA
or elsewhere.

An extreme example of chess blindness is the game
Huebner-Petrosian in the Biel Interzonal 1976. I
actually watched this game live. Petrosian was
totally lost when he makes a completely unexpected
attacking move, after which H. has a simple mate
in 3 or 4. But instead H. defends and makes an
unbelievable sequence of blunders until he loses...







  #58  
Old May 5th 08, 03:33 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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ANTI-SOVIET HOLY WATER

Idiots like Parr will randomly choose arguments that
suit their momentary purpose, e.g. one moment the Soviets
are discriminating against Jewish players, the next
moment they favor a Jewish player over an ethnic
Russian. Most likely the political potentates didn't
pay any more attention to the silly squabbles among
chess players in the USSR than they did in the USA
or elsewhere. -- Juergen

Juergen does not like unpleasants truths about the
late, unlamented Soviet Union. He has likely yet to
recover from the mass demonstrations throughout
Russia and Eastern Europe that finally ended communism
east of the Elbe.

We reported what Korchnoi said about chess
players in the Soviet Union learning widely about his
defection when Pravda, Izvestia and other Soviet
propaganda vehicles would be forced to report on
his candidates' matches.

Juergen's response was a lulu. Soviet players on the
scene in Biel, Switzerland heard the news. Hence the
news would spread throughout the USSR like wildfire.

Nonsense. Korchnoi was not talking about limited
chess circles; his reference was evidently to, say,
the 60 or so closed major Soviet cities of that period
to which travel was difficult, if not impossible, for
outsiders. Korchnoi was speaking of chess
players throughout the vast hinterland of the USSR.

We should not take pleasure in provoking a
creature such as our Juergen by tossing anti-soviet
holy water on the man and hearing the hissing as he
burns. Regrettably, we are not totally unamused by
the man's knee-jerk, very old-fashioned pro-Sovietism.

We thought his type had ceased to exist,
especially in the USSR but also throughout most of
Western Europe. Evidently there are still isolated examples.

Juergen est; ergo, Juergen est.

Yours, Larry Parr





Jürgen R. wrote:
"help bot" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
On May 1, 6:26 pm, J?rgen R. wrote:

GM Yasser Seirawan, when asked if he ever saw any evidence of this in
his own experience, said: "His charge is absolutely true! I've seen it
happen. Soviet stars were expected to finish behind Karpov and I saw
Polugaevsky throw away an easy draw against him in this simple
endgame.


I went to chessgames.com and replayed this game.


It seemed to me that GM Polugaevsky gave GM
Karpov a very difficult time-- forcing him onto defense
for much of the game. However, at the very, very
finish, it is not clear how or why the "1-0" score was
achieved, since the position is drawn. Was there a
flag fall? Did some idiot *resign*, where even the
GetClub program might have held the draw?


The position is lost for Black after 53. -- Nxa5 but is
drawn after 53. -- Nd4.



That is an ordinary mistake. What I was looking
for was an "obvious", game-throwing blunder in an
"easily drawn" position.

I erred in thinking it was a draw at the very finish;
White wins by force, and this explains GM
Polugaevsky's resignation.

Back to 53. ... Nd4+ though: I've seen far worse
oversights by grandmasters; one fairly recent
example was then-world champion Kramnik
overlooking a mate-in-one which many weak
players might well have seen. It is ludicrous to
assert intentions where such things exist, as in
fact they do. It is simply arrogance to maintain
that grandmasters are error-free chess machines.
In the real world (not Evans ratpacker La-la land),
everyone makes such mistakes-- even the world
champions.


-- help bot

_________________________________________

Yes, of course: The mistake is most likely due to loss
of concentration, since the endgame is easily drawn and
the game finished.

All these conspiracy theories are absurd: Chess
players sometimes make mistakes, and occasionally
grand masters make mistakes that beginners would
avoid.

The idea that there wasn't enormous competition
among the Soviet players is just as silly as to believe that the
top players don't often agree to quick and easy
draws.

Idiots like Parr will randomly choose arguments that
suit their momentary purpose, e.g. one moment the Soviets
are discriminating against Jewish players, the next
moment they favor a Jewish player over an ethnic
Russian. Most likely the political potentates didn't
pay any more attention to the silly squabbles among
chess players in the USSR than they did in the USA
or elsewhere.

An extreme example of chess blindness is the game
Huebner-Petrosian in the Biel Interzonal 1976. I
actually watched this game live. Petrosian was
totally lost when he makes a completely unexpected
attacking move, after which H. has a simple mate
in 3 or 4. But instead H. defends and makes an
unbelievable sequence of blunders until he loses...

  #59  
Old May 5th 08, 04:23 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

ANTI-SOVIET HOLY WATER

Idiots like Parr will randomly choose arguments that
suit their momentary purpose, e.g. one moment the Soviets
are discriminating against Jewish players, the next
moment they favor a Jewish player over an ethnic
Russian. Most likely the political potentates didn't
pay any more attention to the silly squabbles among
chess players in the USSR than they did in the USA
or elsewhere. -- Juergen

Juergen does not like unpleasants truths about the
late, unlamented Soviet Union. He has likely yet to
recover from the mass demonstrations throughout
Russia and Eastern Europe that finally ended communism
east of the Elbe.

We reported what Korchnoi said about chess
players in the Soviet Union learning widely about his
defection when Pravda, Izvestia and other Soviet
propaganda vehicles would be forced to report on
his candidates' matches.

Juergen's response was a lulu. Soviet players on the
scene in Biel, Switzerland heard the news. Hence the
news would spread throughout the USSR like wildfire.

Nonsense. Korchnoi was not talking about limited
chess circles; his reference was evidently to, say,
the 60 or so closed major Soviet cities of that period
to which travel was difficult, if not impossible, for
outsiders. Korchnoi was speaking of chess
players throughout the vast hinterland of the USSR.

We should not take pleasure in provoking a
creature such as our Juergen by tossing anti-soviet
holy water on the man and hearing the hissing as he
burns. Regrettably, we are not totally unamused by
the man's knee-jerk, very old-fashioned pro-Sovietism.

We thought his type had ceased to exist,
especially in the USSR but also throughout most of
Western Europe. Evidently there are still isolated examples.

Juergen est; ergo, Juergen est.

Yours, Larry Parr

=====================================

Parr, you are a bore.

Your diatribes are so full of pretentious nonsense
that it doesn't make sense to respond in detail.

Are you the spokesman for a whole group of
superannuated McCarthyites? Or is it the
pluralis majestatis you are using when you
say 'we'? What a pompous ass!




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Old May 5th 08, 11:18 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On May 5, 7:38 am, Jürgen R. wrote:

Yes, of course: The mistake is most likely due to loss
of concentration, since the endgame is easily drawn and
the game finished.


While that may well be true, the point is that
the lunatic-fringers have presented no substantive
evidence to support their speculations.


All these conspiracy theories are absurd: Chess
players sometimes make mistakes, and occasionally
grand masters make mistakes that beginners would
avoid.


In fact, in analyzing the ending of this game I ran
across yet another position where the world's very
strongest chess player seemed quite clueless. (It
rendered a positive position score where the very
rules of chess indicated a drawn game.) I think
that was the very same program against which
then-world champion Kramnik overlooked a mate-in-
one.


The idea that there wasn't enormous competition
among the Soviet players is just as silly as to believe that the
top players don't often agree to quick and easy
draws.


If I were "king" and had ordered one of my "subjects"
to throw his game to me, and he then did to me what
GM Polugaevsky did to GM Karpov in that game, I
would have him hung; make an example out of him.
Mr. Karpov had White, and yet he spent much of the
game on the defensive, narrowly escaping being
"crushed like a chicken".


Idiots like Parr will randomly choose arguments that
suit their momentary purpose, e.g. one moment the Soviets
are discriminating against Jewish players, the next
moment they favor a Jewish player over an ethnic
Russian.


In truth, Mr. Parr is but a mindless parrot, so when
he repeats the speculations of Larry Evans, one can
no more hold him responsible for their idiocy than
one could blame a fish for swimming. It is not a
parrot's job to carefully "review" his master's jabber,
but only to repeat it faithfully; that is what parrots do.

Sadly, in many cases Mr. Evans acts the parrot,
mindlessly repeating ridiculous speculations of
others; Raymond Keene for instance. One such
"story" has long been debunked by Edward Winter,
yet all the original mindless parrots have continued
their faithful jabbering, while the hack who invented
the lies has turned to radio silence... .


Most likely the political potentates didn't
pay any more attention to the silly squabbles among
chess players in the USSR than they did in the USA
or elsewhere.


According to one fellow who was anointed by
Larry Evans as an authority on such matters,
Vassily Smyslov was the preferred champion;
this was precisely the *opposite* of what Mr.
Evans had "predicted" he would say; even so,
the contradiction was ignored, just like all other
contradictions in the theories and speculations
of the imbecilic Evans ratpack. My view is that
the erroneous "prediction" was an example of
grotesque dishonesty, and that the lack of any
correction proves this to be correct.


An extreme example of chess blindness is the game
Huebner-Petrosian in the Biel Interzonal 1976. I
actually watched this game live. Petrosian was
totally lost when he makes a completely unexpected
attacking move, after which H. has a simple mate
in 3 or 4. But instead H. defends and makes an
unbelievable sequence of blunders until he loses...


This reminds me of a famous game in which
Gary Kasparov launched one of his speculative
attacks, only to find himself down a Rook;
unfazed, GK continued the "attack", ultimately
winning despite his opponent being one of the
best players in the world (initials LL). Granted,
in that case, time-pressure probably played a
role.


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