I will post an article that I wrote a year or so
before the collapse of the Soviet Union that appeared
in the old NY City Tribune as well as Glasnost News
& Review dealing with the single-brand-fountain-pen-no-
capitalist-waste type of economic logic.

Just to put in perspective who this fruitcake is:

NY Times: January 5, 1991
The New York City Tribune, a Monday-through-Friday newspaper founded by the
Rev. Sun Myung Moon in 1976, suspended publication yesterday. The paper's
paid circulation, which reached a peak of 400,000 during the newspaper
strike of 1978, had dwindled to 12,000, said Thomas D. Zumbo, the associate
editor. News World Communications, which owns The Tribune, described the
suspension as a temporary "rest" forced by a poor economy.

The other 'Journal', 'Glasnost News & Review', rated no
mention when it began, nor when it went broke. But it
is clear that it was a channel for unfiltered Cold War
jibberish, news reports such as 'Russian ballpoints are
even splotchier than ours'.

On May 10, 2:28 am, " wrote:

They assailed the number of different fountain
pen brands and called it capitalist waste. Under
socialism, there would be only one brand of fountain
pen.

/Non sequitur/. Under either system, there can be
any number of different pen factories. This is the
sort of muddled "thinking" which is the hallmark of
the Evans ratpack; indeed, their minds loudly creak
as they /attempt/ to think.


And so, the Soviets had fountain pens and only
adopted ball-points in the final years of their imperium.

It looks as though Mr. Parr has confounded
communism with socialism. If he wants a handy
example of socialism, he need look no further than
Canada.

I think what Mr. Parr has missed is the simple
concept of /duplication of effort/. In any business,
needless duplications which can be eliminated
lead to more profits for the wealthy shareholders.
This is why, for instance, many companies buy
other companies out-- to streamline operations
or to increase the volume of production, thereby
gaining in something called "efficiency".

Now, the idea of /competition/ sounds good.
But look at the real-life results: neither of the two
kitty-corner drugstores goes out of business;
neither of the corner gas stations goes under.

Even when, say, a company comes along that
can mop up the floor with its competition, folks
at Ford, General Motors and Chrysler keep
right on truckin'! They don't care who makes
the best cars-- "we", Americans that is, will buy
junk, so long at somebody gets to wave a red,
white and blue flag.

Funny thing is, that "American" car you just
bought may well have been made in Mexico...
or Canada-- a socialist state. And that other
car-- the one you didn't buy because it had a
foreign name? Possibly made in your home
state... assembled by capitalists who eat too
much and don't exercise enough. (The last
breakdown I saw published listed the name
Toyota more than any other, under which cars
were made here in the USA. Weird, huh?)

Ah, but back to the mindless dregs, whose
agenda is Commie-bashing; sometimes they
have trouble keeping everything straight and
they get confused, lashing out at socialists
or what have you. As luck would have it, even
though the Cold War ended, these dregs can
take comfort in the fact that Mr. Putin has
been causing trouble lately. Russia -- a term
which now means something very different
from what it used to -- has oil and NG, and
you know what that means. That's right: the
dregs can still find suitable employment.

I take a bit of a different approach to such
things, not bothering about the politically-
correct rhetoric, the Commie-bashing hype.
To me, waste is simply waste. Paying folks
at fast-food restaurants minimum wage to
stand and talk just wastes everyone's time.

It makes no difference whatever if this
happens in a socialist, a communist or a
capitalist state. Those low-paid, jabbering
slackers need to get with the program, and
their employers need to smarten up. (Hey,
we're gonna pay you exactly the same as
we're paying you now, but instead of just
talking to each other, you have to work a
little; then you can make full time wages
working part time hours, and we will not
have idle bodies cluttering up the place. If
we wanted folks who just stand around, we
could go to Antarctica and hire some very
smartly-dressed penguins for half what we
pay you idiots.)

I imagine that competition can be a good
thing... when it works the way it's supposed
to. But big government so often interferes,
that I can't think of a good example of that
right now. Banks? They are supposed to
be failing right now; but instead, Uncle Sam
stepped in, saving Bear Stearns. See what
I mean? Instead of hard times weeding out
the weak, things are working out differently;
that's capitalism?!! The taxpayers will pay
for it all, sooner or later.

Another common problem with the Commie-
bashers (there sure are a lot of 'em) is
wanting to have everything both ways. Yup,
I keep reading about how awful communism
is, but then they try to account for what's
happening in China, economically, they have
to flippity-flop and claim that they are not
Commies at all, when we don't want 'em to
be. But when it comes to human rights
they're Commies all the way! More of the
tell-tale muddled "thinking"... the self-
contradictions and transparent, huge bias.

Anyway, Libertarians like LP can snicker at
the fact that their man "won" a Fox News poll,
which was supposed to determine which
Republican candidate was the "true
conservative", based on Fox's own definition
of the term. More tell-tale signs of "issues"
with thinking skills... .


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On May 9, 2:02 pm, "Chess One" wrote:

It seems likely that this particular blather was a
response to the innumerable attacks "on Karpov",
but by others.

Sorry, that sentence doesn't parse.

One of these others was of course,
Gary Kasparov, who continued to belittle his
adversary until he signed a contract forbidding it,
not very long ago.

'these others'? Did you announce your own topic yet?

Got issues with not always being parroted or
your speculations not just being swallowed whole,
every time? Then this is not the place for you, my
friend; why not go to the USCF forum, and hire
"moderators" to shield your speculations from
sunlight?

Let me take that as a 'no'. Furthermore, it regrets other people who do
nominate a topic, and recommends they go elsewhere.

What I wrote is that Karpov fessed up to things he did as world champion,
that he later was not proud of, and that he is the first I know to have
done
this in writing.

Indeed. And what I wrote is that I believe he
wrote that /in response to/ the innumerable
attacks on him.

Well, let us grant you your belief, at least inasmuch as making your beliefs
the topic of this interchange.

In sum, I don't buy it, any
more than I "buy" the lies and fabrications of
Mr. Karpov's nemesis, Gary "I never touched it"

You don't buy what? What is 'it?'

You first posit your 'belief' that the confessio was indicated by public
sentiment, then you don't 'buy it?' But immediately switch to someone else,
as if there was any cogency to even your own argument.

Kasparov. (At least, I don't think I touched it.
Somebody else must have moved it! You can't
prove anything. Top of the world, Ma!)

In his passion Greg Kennedy once more upends his /own/ argumet. This time
messing up 'touching it' with 'releasing it'.

But isn't the point the same as with Karpov, that he didn't think he did it,
didn't intend to release it, but at length admitted that he actually did?

What Greg Kennedy does not seem to understand is that the very point of what
I wrote is admission of wrong. Kennedy cannot address this at all, and
continues just as if these players had not admitted anything. Just being
wrong condemns them for ever, in his opinion. Since that seems pretty well
established, then let that be his personal opinion. For myself, I have more
a sense of people changing over time, which may not be his own experience of
himself or of others. But shrug that is merely to argue the paucity and
lack of generosity of his observations - he doesn't want any relievo, he
needs constant villains to be a little parano about, and fallen heroes like
Fischer to be sceptical of.

Such are the perils of a chess-life lived vicariously.

Fischer had no especial financial woes [laugh]

Alas, the nearly-an-IM legend-in-his-own-mind
Phil Innes has forgotten that Mr. Fischer -- who
one poster asserted was likely a fine investor
and manager of money -- was swindled out of
much of his 1972 winnings... like a child.

As I recall, Mr. Fischer desired a big house,
built in the shape of a Rook. He wanted to be
paid big money, like Muhammed Ali was. But
he was too scared to write books, on account
of everyone being out to get him, see?

The last people to contact Fischer were Ed Trice and myself. Actually I
dealt mostly with Saemi P. So I must excuse myself from speculation and seek
my refuge in actual knowledge and direct experience.

As far as the public was concerned there was no Fischer-the-person, there
was only the chess hero.

You are talking about the mindless fans here
in the USA. But there are others who read
English... who were not so obsessed, or
deluded about BF. In fact, David Levy wrote
a book about Mr. Fischer, which, far from
going over the top, was as they say on the
Fox TV channel, /fair and balanced/.

You denude your reference by its publisher, no? Unfortunately you cite an
exception to the norm, which was out-and-out Fischer worship.

Some subjects upon which BF might have
"safely" written were the Sicilian Defense, the
"Roy" Lopez, and the endgame. None of
these entail /personal/ issues, nor even hero
worship.

How absurd to think Fischer would need to teach oepning systems while he was
still very active creating them!

But Kennedy skips his own attachment, as if he were not here uttering his
opinions. He is plainly fixated on strong players, and a demonstration of my
point that the person is invisible for those fixated on the hero role.

People would buy them because
they believed BF to be a very strong chess
analyst (think of GM Huebner or Fritz-- two
powerful analysts who never made it to the
pinnacle).


And when heroes don't compete any more for us, we
the public resent the fact, and want to punnish the Hero.

Even so, it is possible for the "hero" to help
promote chess -- and make lots of money from
it -- by writing books and such without having
to compete. (Think of how many Raymond
Keene hack-jobs the world could have been
saved! Eric Schiller could have been a taxi
driver or something, and we would all have
/real/ chess books to pore over.)

You merely suggest a different punishment - that these best in the world
players shoould write materials to entertain you - whereas you are quite
content to be entertained by me! And still cannot talk chess ~ you seem to
have no other orientation than to public persona, and what you don't like
about the /presentation/ of other people.


The fate of abandoned-celebrity is to be treated just as you have done
here
with Karpov and Kasparov. You can no longer fantasize yourself into their
situations

I keep getting the feeling that some of the hacks
here in rgc are a tad frustrated; that they feel a
need to /project/ upon me their hearts' greatest
unfulfilled desires of greatness in chess. (Why
me, I wonder? Is it my innumerable wins at
GetClub? My good looks, or amazing charm or
wit? Who knows... .)

I suppose you constant support of GetClub is a primary dumbing-down of the
chess thread, to levels which are truly imbecilic, and therefore the 'hacks'
as you call them, being the general chess readership, consider you to have
attained your proper level of contribution. Indeed, you achieve the height
of dumbth.


neither can you get there by you own efforts - intolerable
situation! - [for fantacists] so you 'kill' him still, even though
Fischer
is dead.

More ad hom. stuff, as always.

Note to imbecilic "projectionists": my view is
that chess is a horrible *waste* of the human
intellect.

And here is your confession... though you did not intend it to be such

As such, the weaker you may be
(and I expect you are mediocre, at best), the
better off you are, for you will be less likely to
get sucked in and waste your pitiful lives away
on a silly board game.

And these comments are from someone who takes no joy in playing the game,
and only writes to tell others they don't either.

Now then, what constitutes something more
worthwhile? The easy answer is the field of
medicine, or science, or even sharpening
pencils for that matter. What might be worse
than wasting one's life away on chess? Well,
there is politics, lawyering, the advertising
business, and the /ad hominem/ trade.

Now, I hope you learned something from all
this. Stop your puerile projections, and face
your "issues" head-on, like men. (Well, just
*pretend* to be men then.)

You don't have to pretend anything if you just stick to your experience of
things, playing chess would be on-topic here, and stop living other people's
lives instead of your own.

Otherwise you will become like Mr. Kennedy, who cannot achieve that modest
state, and regrets that you do to the extent that he must always suppose
what enjoying chess is like.

Phil Innes


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On May 10, 5:04 am, Jürgen R. wrote:
I will post an article that I wrote a year or so
before the collapse of the Soviet Union that appeared
in the old NY City Tribune as well as Glasnost News
& Review dealing with the single-brand-fountain-pen-no-
capitalist-waste type of economic logic.

Just to put in perspective who this fruitcake is:

NY Times: January 5, 1991
The New York City Tribune, a Monday-through-Friday newspaper founded by the
Rev. Sun Myung Moon in 1976, suspended publication yesterday. The paper's
paid circulation, which reached a peak of 400,000 during the newspaper
strike of 1978, had dwindled to 12,000, said Thomas D. Zumbo, the associate
editor. News World Communications, which owns The Tribune, described the
suspension as a temporary "rest" forced by a poor economy.

The other 'Journal', 'Glasnost News & Review', rated no
mention when it began, nor when it went broke. But it
is clear that it was a channel for unfiltered Cold War
jibberish, news reports such as 'Russian ballpoints are
even splotchier than ours'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Parr

From a 1990 article in Whole Earth Review:
Glasnost: Larry Parr, US. Editor. $24/year (6 issues) from Center for
Democracy in the USSR, 358 W 30th Street/Suite 1-A, New York, NY
10001; 212/967-2027.

The Center for Democracy in the USSR shut down in 1991.

"help bot" wrote in message
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"Chess is as elaborate a waste of human intelligence as you can find
outside of an advertising agency," sneered novelist Raymond Chandler.

WELCOME TO AMERICA

Indeed, while I read /every day/ about the many
virtues of capitalism and the evils of disliked
Commie dictators,

Let's split hairs, any dictators, or just Commie ones? I wonder where Greg
Kennedy reads this stuff every day, and if maybe the Commie dictators are
rather less odorous than the other kinds?

the sad truth is that there are
evils among us, among capitalists. I noted long
ago the fact of needless duplications, such as
two "struggling" gas stations on nearby corners,
each of them splitting the limited business, half
and half.

ROFL! Imagine one gas store in every town, and what then regulates the price
of gas?

Let's pity poor Mobil and EXXON, Greg tells us, especically Mobil who made
$17 billion extra bucks recently.

Here in the Midwest, nearly every
corner "drugstore" has a copycat rival situated
kitty-corner, again splitting the business such
that each store may struggle to make a decent
profit, their respective employees, naturally being
less productive in this situation, are paid less to
suit.

I rarely shop at corner drug-stores, and in fact, no many locals here in
Vermont do. Those places are for people who don't know where the supermarket
is. But at least the corner stores sell papers where our Greg reads every
day about evil commie dictators, and never about evil Wall-Street; such
information being, we must suppose, heavily repressed in the Mid-West.

But what really galls is the way that our federal
government is set up. Nearly everything seems
to revolve more around the two-party war that is
ongoing, than about any other issues which may
pertain. It reminds me a little of the Hatfields and
the McCoys -- two clans who fought for years
over the right way to face one's Knights on the
chess board (or some other "crucial" issue).

Who could argue with that anecdote?

But who could not have noticed that at least one candidate is addressing
more than appearances of things? Perhaps this too is heavily repressed
information in the Mid-West.

The fact remains that from where I stand, the
very idea that one's chess rating is indicative of
self-worth tells a very revealing tale about these
imbecilic projectionists;

Laugh - one must return again to who's obsession ratings are? Let me see...
Who actually writes most about that in newsgroups, well, for sure Brennan
does assess it as of evident worth, and protests it for 5 years straight,
and he addresses it to others who feel the same about their worth.

Naturally, it is all a joke, albeit a bitter 5 year struggle against 'them'.

Other people seem content to evaluate ratings as a basis of chess skill,
rather than self-worth. This means that [no offence intended] the views of
1500 players about the games of 2700 players are usually not as valuable as
those of strong players.

Now, if farmer-Kennedy had a GM in his corn-field, and watched his pathetic
plowing attempts, then he would recognise that real farmers /aughta/ feel
good about 'the cut worm forgives the plow', and that is entirely natural.

Unclear if those sentiments are in our Greg's corner store newspaper, but if
not, then he could write a letter tot he editor pointing it out, or not buy
the newspaper at all, since it is censored by Those Who Must Be Obeyed.

about how they think
(or rather, are simply unable to think). From my
perspective, getting roped into an obsession with
the game of chess reveals a character flaw; it
shows an inability to put life into its proper
perspective. It reminds me of the poor fellow
whose last act in life was to warn viewers, on
camera, to not dare try what he and he alone
had done and was capable of doing: filming
grizzlies with no protection from being mauled
and eaten.

It reminds you of that? Have you ever played chess?

You sound like Pravda on a slow news day.

Phil Innes


That was his last act because, well,
you can probably guess. To such imbeciles I
have but one word: bear mace. Okay, that's
two words... .


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On May 10, 6:04 am, Jürgen R. wrote:

I will post an article that I wrote a year or so
before the collapse of the Soviet Union that appeared
in the old NY City Tribune as well as Glasnost News
& Review dealing with the single-brand-fountain-pen-no-
capitalist-waste type of economic logic.

Just to put in perspective who this fruitcake is:

NY Times: January 5, 1991
The New York City Tribune, a Monday-through-Friday newspaper founded by the
Rev. Sun Myung Moon in 1976, suspended publication yesterday. The paper's
paid circulation, which reached a peak of 400,000 during the newspaper
strike of 1978, had dwindled to 12,000, said Thomas D. Zumbo, the associate
editor. News World Communications, which owns The Tribune, described the
suspension as a temporary "rest" forced by a poor economy.

The other 'Journal', 'Glasnost News & Review', rated no
mention when it began, nor when it went broke. But it
is clear that it was a channel for unfiltered Cold War
jibberish, news reports such as 'Russian ballpoints are
even splotchier than ours'.


Just to put things into even better perspective...

I just happened to look at my latest issue of Chess
Lies magazine-- just the first few pages, mind you.
In the letters to the editor section there was quite a
long-winded rant about Bobby Fischer and Jews, and
a piece in which one eye-witness named names in
the old (very old, in fact) story about the so-called
game of the century, between Robert Byrne and
Bobby Fischer.

Now, before revealing any names, let me remind
readers of rgc that it was none other than Larry
Evans who claimed that he -- and he alone -- was
smart enough and strong enough a chess player
to "see" what he imagined he saw in a game in
which, he insisted, the moves themselves tell a tale
of cheating.

So, we have the, um, world's strongest, smartest
chess player, Larry Evans, and we can now continue
to place things into their proper perspective... .

The eye-witness account named two players, who
he insisted, were quite clueless as to what was
really happening on the chess board in the game of
the century. He claimed that a Mr. Rossolimo set
up the pieces, while a certain grandmaster -- who
shall remain nameless -- excitedly claimed that
Robert Byrne was beating Bobby Fischer! Now, I
don't want to ruin the story by naming names, but
perhaps a few of the "smartest, strongest" folks in
rgc can figure out who the clueless fellow was, all
the same. Just something to ponder... for a better
perspective on things.


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OUR PRO-SOVIET GHERKIN

Just to put in perspective who this fruitcake is: NY Times: January
5, 1991
The New York City Tribune, a Monday-through-Friday newspaper founded
by the
Rev. Sun Myung Moon in 1976, suspended publication yesterday. The
paper's
paid circulation, which reached a peak of 400,000 during the
newspaper
strike of 1978, had dwindled to 12,000, said Thomas D. Zumbo, the
associate
editor. News World Communications, which owns The Tribune, described
the
suspension as a temporary "rest" forced by a poor economy. The other
'Journal', 'Glasnost News & Review', rated no mention when it began,
nor when it went broke. But it is clear that it was a channel for
unfiltered Cold War jibberish, news reports such as 'Russian
ballpoints are even splotchier than ours'. -- Juergen on Larry Parr

It was not I but the Fabian Webbs who told us
that under socialism there would be only one brand of
fountain pen. Greg Kennedy begs to differ. And, too,
Greg's duplication of effort notion is what the Webbs
had in mind.

The problem is that societies that organize
from above to produce single-brand economies leave
people living like dogs.

And those fountain pens will be produced so
that every family can have a new one (one pen for
family, to be sure) every five years or so. In his
bitterness at his own failure in life, Greg imagines
he coulda been THAT contendah had he grown
up in Moscow and been trained by a Soviet master.

Juergen, our pro-Soviet Gherkin, is right that
the NY City Tribune was connnected with the Rev. Moon,
just as the highly respected Washington Times is owned
but not managed, by the Rev. Moon.

As for Glasnost News & Review, which I
edited, roughly 300+ members of the U.S. Congress
subscribed. Current Demo. House Whip Steny Hoyer was
on our board of advisers, as was Sen. Robert Dole,
Jeane Kirkpatrick and Rep. Tom Lantos. Among those
who contributed generously to the Center for Democracy
was -- strangely enough, I guess you could say -- I.
F. Stone, who early in his career wrote tracts
excusing the Soviet attack on Hungary. To give Izzy
Stone some credit, he was notably contrite when we
discussed his early years on a number of occasions.
The difference is that our Juergen never learned and
still seethes with hatred of the hundreds of millions
of people who threw off communism.

Sorry, Juergen, good Gherkin.

Among the contributors to the magazine I
edited were Boris Yeltsin (when he was mayor of
Moscow) Nobel Peace Laureate Andrei Sakharov, his
wife Elena Bonner, the late U.S. ambassador to the
U.N. Jeane Kirkpatrick, Father Gleb Yakunin, etc.

Sorry, Juergen, good Gherkin. I know it
hurts. Gawd, how it must hurt a Soviet apologist.

Now, just toddle off there.




The Historian wrote:
On May 10, 5:04 am, J?rgen R. wrote:
I will post an article that I wrote a year or so
before the collapse of the Soviet Union that appeared
in the old NY City Tribune as well as Glasnost News
& Review dealing with the single-brand-fountain-pen-no-
capitalist-waste type of economic logic.

Just to put in perspective who this fruitcake is:

NY Times: January 5, 1991
The New York City Tribune, a Monday-through-Friday newspaper founded by the
Rev. Sun Myung Moon in 1976, suspended publication yesterday. The paper's
paid circulation, which reached a peak of 400,000 during the newspaper
strike of 1978, had dwindled to 12,000, said Thomas D. Zumbo, the associate
editor. News World Communications, which owns The Tribune, described the
suspension as a temporary "rest" forced by a poor economy.

The other 'Journal', 'Glasnost News & Review', rated no
mention when it began, nor when it went broke. But it
is clear that it was a channel for unfiltered Cold War
jibberish, news reports such as 'Russian ballpoints are
even splotchier than ours'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Parr

From a 1990 article in Whole Earth Review:
Glasnost: Larry Parr, US. Editor. $24/year (6 issues) from Center for
Democracy in the USSR, 358 W 30th Street/Suite 1-A, New York, NY
10001; 212/967-2027.

The Center for Democracy in the USSR shut down in 1991.

On May 10, 10:27 pm, " wrote:


DAWN OF THE UNDEAD


But it is clear that it was a channel for
unfiltered Cold War jibberish, news reports such as 'Russian
ballpoints are even splotchier than ours'. -- Juergen on Larry Parr

As for me, I have no desire to see Cold War gibberish
"filtered", nor watered-down. It is what it is, and rather
than try to filter or dilute it, we merely have to expose
the stuff to a little "sunlight", much like a vampire.


The problem is that societies that organize
from above to produce single-brand economies leave
people living like dogs.

After being exposed in a non sequitur, Mr. Parr
now changes over to rambling on about planned
societies. Well, there has been plenty of such
planning, or organizing "from above" right here in
the USA. Which reminds me... one fellow, whose
initials are FDR -- you may remember him from
your college days, LP -- had quite a plan; indeed,
some called him a communist or a socialist.

But back to ball-point pens, and how amazingly
well capitalism works. When I was in school, the
darned things had a tendency to dry up, or come
apart. I might have preferred a fountain pen-- so
long as it *worked*. To bad that competition did
not have the desired effect-- that of driving out of
business those who produced inferior products.


Juergen, our pro-Soviet Gherkin, is right that
the NY City Tribune was connnected

What did I tell you? The man is slipping as he
ages. Soon, when Mr. Parr tops age 100, there is
no telling what his blather will look like. Well,
actually there is; I predict it will look something
like Larry Evans' stuff, but with a lot more beating
up on Josef Stalin-- a particular fave of LP.


with the Rev. Moon,
just as the highly respected Washington Times is owned
but not managed, by the Rev. Moon.\

And you thought that every media outlet was
controlled by the Jews.


As for Glasnost News & Review, which I
edited, roughly 300+ members of the U.S. Congress
subscribed. Current Demo. House Whip Steny Hoyer was
on our board of advisers, as was Sen. Robert Dole,
Jeane Kirkpatrick and Rep. Tom Lantos. Among those
who contributed generously to the Center for Democracy
was -- strangely enough, I guess you could say -- I.
F. Stone, who early in his career wrote tracts
excusing the Soviet attack on Hungary. To give Izzy
Stone some credit, he was notably contrite when we
discussed his early years on a number of occasions.
The difference is that our Juergen never learned and
still seethes with hatred of the hundreds of millions
of people who threw off communism.

Um, that must be another "typo". The Soviet
people did not simply "throw off" communism,
from what I've read. They had some outside
help. I don't want to steal anyone's thunder, but
it so happens that "we" -- which is to say the
folks who actually control what goes on in this
country (think Bill Goichberg with the USCF) --
helped. (Was that top secret? I didn't know...
someone should have informed me, and I would
have kept the "secret".)


Sorry, Juergen, good Gherkin. I know it
hurts. Gawd, how it must hurt a Soviet apologist.

I had the impression that Mr. Jeurgen is a
Russian-- not some outsider who took it upon
himself to become an apologist for Russians.

Indeed, Mr. Juergen's comment about who
"fruitcake" Larry Parr is, would be even the
more obvious if it weren't for the recent
activities of Vladimir Putin. In effect, the old
Cold War propaganda has been given new
"life", much like a vampire. Not real life, but
more of an un-deadness.


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[...]

Juergen, our pro-Soviet Gherkin, is right that
the NY City Tribune was connnected with the Rev. Moon,
just as the highly respected Washington Times is owned
but not managed, by the Rev. Moon.

Inconveniently, the FATHER spoke as follows:

(Words of Rev. Sun Myung Moon
Everyday Workshop

Notes from Father's Talks Given on His South American
Tour, November 29-December 6, 2000)

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Our movement is not just a religion, but is a worldwide civil
movement. We have to move in every direction in life and
provide proper directions. Therefore the WMA
(World Media Association) and WUF (World University
Federation) should work together.

We even have to utilize the media for the sake of church development.
The church is the mind and the media is the body, to reach the
external world. We should begin that movement and activity in
the United States, because the Washington Times and UPI
are headquartered there. Once we establish our organization
in the United States, it can be expanded to the world
without much alteration. We need the formula and the model.
Build a model from the formula that provides the directions on how to unite.
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It should be more widely known that UPI is also owned
by these Champions of Liberty and Democracy.

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OUR PRO-SOVIET GHERKIN

It was not I but the Fabian Webbs who told us
that under socialism there would be only one brand of
fountain pen. Greg Kennedy begs to differ. And, too,
Greg's duplication of effort notion is what the Webbs
had in mind.

The problem is that societies that organize
from above to produce single-brand economies leave
people living like dogs.

After the wall came down I spent some time with a physicist from East
Berlin.

He told me of a Czech bath manufacturing facility, whose foundry produced
iron baths for the entire Soviet Union.

No other baths were on offer anywhere [that is to say, without *special*
people importing them from West Germany] despite the demand for ceramic
ones, and indeed, for the new plastic shower-tubs wieghing one tenth of the
bath units.

So the factory was closed down since it already had 5-years worth of
inventory of iron baths, that is, for those people who presumably still
wanted an iron bath.

This guy [who I shall call Bernd] worked in a photodiode semiconductor
factory in East Berlin as its head scientist, and his unit produced for the
entire Soviet 'Aerospace' Industry - but that is natural - you don't need
lots of electro-optical facilities making silicon detectors.

But he drove a Trabant car - a 'trabi', which was not the only car produced
behind the curtain, but the only one ordinary people could get. The black
market in trabi parts was enormous, and actually far more expensive than the
officially manufactured ones, which... you are guessing right... were in
limitied supply, despite massive demand from Trabant owners ...

Phil Innes

As for Glasnost News & Review, which I
edited, roughly 300+ members of the U.S. Congress
subscribed. Current Demo. House Whip Steny Hoyer was
on our board of advisers, as was Sen. Robert Dole,
Jeane Kirkpatrick and Rep. Tom Lantos. Among those
who contributed generously to the Center for Democracy
was -- strangely enough, I guess you could say -- I.
F. Stone, who early in his career wrote tracts
excusing the Soviet attack on Hungary. To give Izzy
Stone some credit, he was notably contrite when we
discussed his early years on a number of occasions.
The difference is that our Juergen never learned and
still seethes with hatred of the hundreds of millions
of people who threw off communism.

Sorry, Juergen, good Gherkin.

Among the contributors to the magazine I
edited were Boris Yeltsin (when he was mayor of
Moscow) Nobel Peace Laureate Andrei Sakharov, his
wife Elena Bonner, the late U.S. ambassador to the
U.N. Jeane Kirkpatrick, Father Gleb Yakunin, etc.

Sorry, Juergen, good Gherkin. I know it
hurts. Gawd, how it must hurt a Soviet apologist.

Now, just toddle off there.




The Historian wrote:
On May 10, 5:04 am, J?rgen R. wrote:
I will post an article that I wrote a year or so
before the collapse of the Soviet Union that appeared
in the old NY City Tribune as well as Glasnost News
& Review dealing with the single-brand-fountain-pen-no-
capitalist-waste type of economic logic.

Just to put in perspective who this fruitcake is:

NY Times: January 5, 1991
The New York City Tribune, a Monday-through-Friday newspaper founded by
the
Rev. Sun Myung Moon in 1976, suspended publication yesterday. The
paper's
paid circulation, which reached a peak of 400,000 during the newspaper
strike of 1978, had dwindled to 12,000, said Thomas D. Zumbo, the
associate
editor. News World Communications, which owns The Tribune, described
the
suspension as a temporary "rest" forced by a poor economy.

The other 'Journal', 'Glasnost News & Review', rated no
mention when it began, nor when it went broke. But it
is clear that it was a channel for unfiltered Cold War
jibberish, news reports such as 'Russian ballpoints are
even splotchier than ours'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Parr

From a 1990 article in Whole Earth Review:
Glasnost: Larry Parr, US. Editor. $24/year (6 issues) from Center for
Democracy in the USSR, 358 W 30th Street/Suite 1-A, New York, NY
10001; 212/967-2027.

The Center for Democracy in the USSR shut down in 1991.