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One of the high points of the election campaign came when Jerry Hanken
wrote an essay based on the famous speech by Mark Anthony in the Shakespeare play "Julius Caesar". Mark Anthony said, "Brutus is an Honorable Man. They are all honorable men." Based on the moderator's rule that nobody is allowed to make even a mildly disparaging comment about Susan Polgar, Jerry Hanken wrote, "Susan Polgar is an honorable woman". Of course, the moderators saw through this and realizing that it was a sarcastic remark, deleted it. At the board meeting in Stillwater, Oklahoma, on May 19-20, 2007 the board reviewed that particular posting and voted unanimously to reinstate it. The posting clearly said nothing bad about Susan Polgar. To the contrary, it said that she was an honorable woman. What could be wrong with that? The moderators did follow the board's directive and reinstated the posting but a few weeks later locked that thread so that it could no longer be cited. Sam Sloan |
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On May 6, 6:50 am, wrote:
Stick to cycling. That end of your anatomy seems more intellectually competent. I wish both Judge Lafferty and Mr. Hillery would learn to trim posts. Even a lawyer should be able to handle that task. |
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On May 6, 1:32 am, wrote:
samsloan wrote: Thank you again. We have an applicable situation. John Hillery of Los Angeles attacks every single thing that I write. He has been doing this for about the past five years. He is doing this again today on this thread. Sam Sloan Demonstrably false. Much of what you post here is of no interest to me (Japanese swearing? Jack Kennedy's mistress?), and I certainly haven't attacked it. On the USCF forum, I have even agreed with you once or twice (though admittedly it's rare). But I find lying offensive, and you do a lot of it. Or, if you want to argue that you _think_ you are telling the truth -- I find mental disease equally repugnant. You know you've arrived in rgcp when a nutter claims you attack them constantly. Welcome, John! |
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On May 5, 5:20 pm, wrote:
Sam, the voters had ample opportunity to see you and hear you bray. They threw you in the trash bin where you belong. Democracy works. My exact point was that Democracy was not allowed to work because during the election period this group rec.games.chess.politics was so filled with postings by the Fake Sam Sloan that is was difficult to get through this junk and find anything else. On the text based Google version of this group, there is space for 30 threads. Typically, all 30 threads would be topped with articles by the Fake Sam Sloan. It would say Sam Sloan Sam Sloan Sam Sloan all the way down to the bottom of the author's column. To get to read something else, most serious voters went over to the USCF Issues Forum. That Forum was controlled by moderators who were fanatical Polgaristas and Polgarites who had been appointed by USCF President Bill Goichberg and USCF Executive Director Bill Hall to get Polgar elected. Nothing negative about Polgar or Truong was allowed to be said on the USCF Issues Forum. In view of the developments since the election, the situation has changed. The only supporter of Polgar and Truong left on the USCF Issues Forum as far as I know is Mark Nibbelin. Gregory Alexander who was the most rabid supporter of Polgar and Truong has been suspended due to his attacks on other posters. Almost all of the people who previously supported Polgar and Truong no longer support them. If the election were held today, Truong would definitely not be elected. He would not get much more than two votes. Polgar might get elected due to her star status but even this is by no means certain. This is not by any means to say that I would be elected. I would probably not be elected. However, I will run if there is another election anyway. The reality is that these constant attacks have not helped my reputation. There is also some doubt that Goichberg would be elected if he had to run again. Certainly his performance on the USCF Board and as USCF President has been poor. Perhaps some new person, somebody we do not know about now, would run and be elected. Sam Sloan |
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Date: Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:50 AM Subject: Improper Selection of Forum Moderators From: Date: Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:50 AM In a message dated 5/6/2008 7:29:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, writes: One of the high points of the election campaign came when Jerry Hanken wrote an essay based on the famous speech by Mark Anthony in the Shakespeare play "Julius Caesar". Mark Anthony said, "Brutus is an Honorable Man. They are all honorable men." Based on the moderator's rule that nobody is allowed to make even a mildly disparaging comment about Susan Polgar, Jerry Hanken wrote, "Susan Polgar is an honorable woman". Following is what Jerry actually wrote, which I posted at www.checkmate.us. I don't see "Susan Polgar is an honorable woman" included. IS THIS "INTEGRITY," "HONESTY" AND "CREDIBILITY?" by Jerry Hanken "Restore respectability, integrity, credibility and professionalsm to the USCF." - Polgar, April Chess Life "Too little integrity, honesty, credibility and professionalism by some board members." - Polgar May Chess Life "Restore responsibility, integrity, credibility and professionalism to the USCF." - Polgar, May Chess Life "Too little integrity, honesty, credibility and professionalism by some board members." Polgar, June Chess Life "Restore responsibility, integrity, credibility and professionalism to the USCF." - Polgar, June Chess Life "...restore the much-needed integrity, credibility and professionalism back to the USCF." - Truong, May Chess Life "...restore credibility, integrity, efficiency and professionalism to the USCF." - Truong, June Chess Life Please note that the words integrity, credibility and honesty ring through the campaigns of Susan Polgar and Paul Truong. This reminds me of two of my favorite Shakesperean characters. Throughout Shakespeare's tragedy of betrayal and murder, Othello, the words used to describe the consumate villain, Iago, by other characters, are similar. "Honest Iago," "Honorable Iago," etc. echo throughout the play. As we learn more about his true character, the words take on a sharpened irony. Also, Shakespeare's character, Mark Anthony, speaks over the body of his friend Julius Caesar, and again and again he uses the word "honorable" to describe Brutus and the other conspirators who murdered his friend and patron Caesar. He takes great care in repeating this word- "Brutus is an honorable man. So are they all honorable men." By the end of the speech the aroused crowd sets out to destroy Brutus and the conspirators. The use of the words "integrity," "honesty" and "credibility" in the campaigns of Susan Polgar and Paul Truong have the same hollow ring as do those Shakesperean ironies. What kind of credibility does it show when these two, who we now know have been legally married for about five months, have each announced for the Executive Board and conveniently forgot to disclose that fact to the voters? On Feb. 16, 2007, Susan posted in response to an inquiry, "Paul is my business manager and one of my best friends for more than 20 years... Paul handles the media, publicity, PR and technical stuff for me, my website, blogs, chess center and the SPF. He does not get paid for what he does." How disengenuous. What else are they hiding? When Paul Truong claims extensive executive business experience, but refuses to provide specifics, how credible is that? When Susan and Paul claim that the Susan Polgar Foundation awarded $400,000 in scholarships and chess prizes in the last few years but their 990 tax form filed with the IRS shows a vastly smaller number, how credible is that? And how many of the offered scholarships were actually declined by winners who preferred other schools? When Susan and Paul claim that USCF is falling apart and only they can save it, even though membership is up strongly and we have had a surplus of over $600,000 in the last four years, how credible is that? When they complain about "little attempt to positively promote chess or USCF" or "too little focus on positive chess promotion" when our publications and website have been improved and our rating system dramatically updated, how credible is that? When Susan's three Chess Life campaign statements all say, "End the petty and destructive politics," what does she have in mind? If she means that Sam Sloan should be defeated, I strongly agree, but I'm afraid she plans much more if her slate gains control. Have we ever seen an EB candidate attack "politics" while campaigning for a political slate in every Chess Life statement? Do we see a sample of what could be coming on her blog, where posts not conforming to her party line are deleted faster than you can read them? (Example: someone actually had the temerity to put up a post supporting one but not the other. That was gone in a flash.) Why are Susan and Paul the only EB candidates who refuse to interact with the members on the USCF Issues Forum, preferring their own controlled environment where anonymous poster after anonymous poster sing their praises? How credible is that? Those of you who recall my coverage of the 2006 National Open might recall that I praised Susan Polgar quite highly for her effectiveness as a role model for girls. However, her Executive Board campaign, like that of her husband, has been disappointingly hollow and without substance. I will not be voting for any member of the Polgar slate. Jerry Hanken Of course, the moderators saw through this and realizing that it was a sarcastic remark, deleted it. At the board meeting in Stillwater, Oklahoma, on May 19-20, 2007 the board reviewed that particular posting and voted unanimously to reinstate it. The board has never voted on whether any post should be allowed or reinstated. Why do you report a unanimous board vote when no motion was even made? Bill Goichberg The posting clearly said nothing bad about Susan Polgar. To the contrary, it said that she was an honorable woman. What could be wrong with that? The moderators did follow the board's directive and reinstated the posting but a few weeks later locked that thread so that it could no longer be cited. Sam Sloan |
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OK. I agree. Bill Goichberg is technically correct. The board did not
actually vote to restore this posting by Jerry Hanken, but that was because Louis Blair, who was Chairman of the Forum Oversight Committee, was on the line on the speaker phone while this issue was being debated by the board, and he said that they were agreeing to restore this posting. This made a formal vote unnecessary, especially since the board wanted to avoid any vote of this sort. Bill Goichberg is also correct that the posting by Jerry Hanken does not contain the words "Susan Polgar is an Honorable Woman". I want to thank Bill Goichberg for supplying the original text of the Hanken article. However, the point is that this posting had been deleted by the moderators and, in spite of numerous complaints about this deletion, the moderators had refused to reinstate it. Now that we can read the posting, one can see that there was nothing wrong with it. It was legitimate political commentary. The fact that the moderators would delete such a posting and nothing could be done to reinstate it until the board was on the verge of voting to reinstate it is a good example of how the moderators were using their positions to control political controversy and to influence the results of the election. Also it is important to remember that this was the only one ever to be reinstated. There were thousands of other equal legitimate postings that were deleted by the USCF Issues Forum Moderators during the election campaign that were never restored and have never been seen again. Sam Sloan |
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I find mental disease equally repugnant. Um. Is that what you really meant to say? Dave. -- David Richerby Radioactive Chocolate Priest (TM): www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ it's like a man of the cloth that's made of chocolate but it'll make you glow in the dark! |
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samsloan wrote: However, as applied in the USCF Issues Forum, anybody is allowed to attack Sam Sloan including even calling me a child molester, but nobody was allowed to make even a mildly negative comment about Susan Polgar, Paul Truong or Joel Channing. Your point being? Look, Sam, there are people who are members of polite society. They respond to social pressure (like the social pressure of having everyone in a newsgroup tell you to stop doing something). They follow the rules, Yes, they can be complete assholes, but they are *rule-following* *social-pressure-responding* assholes. Then there are outcasts like you who are not part of polite society. They ignore social pressure, and thus have to be forced to conform. They don't follow the rules, and thus have to be forced to follow the rules. Neither group can do as they please; the difference is that members of polite society do it voluntarily. Members of polite society are allowed a lot of leeway when dealing with outcasts. This leeway is needed, because the outcasts only understand force. The best example of this is a courtroom. The judge is there to deal with outcasts. He is allowed to say things and do things that the outcasts who appear before him are not allowed to say or do. Another good example is a forum moderator. He is given many powers and excused from many rules the better to apply force to outcasts like yourself. You *can*, if you wish, decide to no longer be an outcast and to join polite society. There will be a transition period until people figure out that you are serious, but the day will come when you get all the rights and privileges that are currently denied you. Or you can go on as you have been, getting kicked in the teeth again and again, all the while wondering why everyone else gets some slack but you never do. Your choice. |
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