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Old May 10th 08, 10:08 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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QUICK INTERVIEW WITH JEREMY SILMAN

Q. If you could change one thing in the chess world, what would it be?

A. I would like to see many of the governing bodies (FIDE#, USCF,
etc.) fall into a black hole.
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Old May 11th 08, 01:17 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On May 10, 4:08�pm, " wrote:
QUICK INTERVIEW WITH JEREMY SILMAN

Q. If you could change one thing in the chess world, what would it be?

A. I would like to see many of the governing bodies (FIDE#, USCF,
etc.) fall into a black hole.


I would like to see a USCF structured somewhat like American Mensa
whereby a portion of each member's dues were funnelled back to a metro
umbrella org to finance various chess functions ... including backing
money for tournaments and so on.

Old Haasie
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Old May 11th 08, 01:28 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On May 10, 6:17 pm, Old Haasie wrote:
On May 10, 4:08�pm, " wrote:

QUICK INTERVIEW WITH JEREMY SILMAN


Q. If you could change one thing in the chess world, what would it be?


A. I would like to see many of the governing bodies (FIDE#, USCF,
etc.) fall into a black hole.


I would like to see a USCF structured somewhat like American Mensa
whereby a portion of each member's dues were funnelled back to a metro
umbrella org to finance various chess functions ... including backing
money for tournaments and so on.

Old Haasie


Hey! There is great new idea. Would you tell us more about this?
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Old May 11th 08, 02:51 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On May 10, 7:17 pm, Old Haasie wrote:

I would like to see a USCF structured somewhat like American Mensa
whereby a portion of each member's dues were funnelled back to a metro
umbrella org to finance various chess functions ... including backing
money for tournaments and so on.



There is a serious problem with this idea, even
though it is not directly related to the MM.

In my area, there has been a long history of
misuse (or even non-use) of such funds; certain
people get wind of a lot of money laying around,
and next thing you know they are running for
Treasurer or President of, say, the state chess
organization, hoping -- even expecting -- to lay
their hands on the goodies.

Giving such people lots of money -- no matter
what the source -- will inevitably lead to pain,
not local promotion of chess. In other words,
throwing money at something does not always
lead to the intended consequences. I realize
that local corruption is not directly related to
the esteemed MM, but my state may well not
be an anomaly; this problem could very well
exist in many areas.

And if a portion of member's monies are
funneled back to local/regional organizations,
this could "justify" even higher membership
fees than we have now, which in turn could
serve to discourage cheapskates from
joining or renewing. This alone could doom
chess in my home state, since studies
indicate a ratio of 7.413 cheapskates for each
normal human being... .


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Old May 11th 08, 05:12 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On May 10, 6:28 pm, samsloan wrote:
On May 10, 6:17 pm, Old Haasie wrote:

On May 10, 4:08�pm, " wrote:


QUICK INTERVIEW WITH JEREMY SILMAN


Q. If you could change one thing in the chess world, what would it be?


A. I would like to see many of the governing bodies (FIDE#, USCF,
etc.) fall into a black hole.


I would like to see a USCF structured somewhat like American Mensa
whereby a portion of each member's dues were funnelled back to a metro
umbrella org to finance various chess functions ... including backing
money for tournaments and so on.


Old Haasie


Hey! There is great new idea. Would you tell us more about this?


Troll.
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Old May 11th 08, 09:42 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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On May 10, 10:12 pm, The Historian
wrote:
On May 10, 6:28 pm, samsloan wrote:
On May 10, 6:17 pm, Old Haasie wrote:


I would like to see a USCF structured somewhat like American Mensa
whereby a portion of each member's dues were funnelled back to a metro
umbrella org to finance various chess functions ... including backing
money for tournaments and so on.


Old Haasie


Hey! There is great new idea. Would you tell us more about this?


Troll.


Those who are new members of this group may not be familiar with this,
but every few years "Old Haasie" hits this forum with a thousand or so
newsgroup postings about his "Mensa-membership Plan". It is like one
of those volcanoes
that erupts periodically and spews ash all over the place. Whenever
there is a USCF election, he asks each candidate to agree to endorse
his plan in order to get his one vote (except that he has not been a
member for years).

We can see that one of these eruptions is about to take place and
there is nothing we can do to stop it, so we might as well sit back
and watch.

Sam Sloan
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Old May 11th 08, 02:34 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

(Two letters praise the Fischer coverage in #2 2008 but this excerpt
of a letter from Kevin Cotreau, Milford NH, USA, calls him a horrible
human being.}

I am so tired of the sycophantic, Bobby-Fischer-ass-kissing articles
like the one written by Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam in 2008/2. Bobby
Fischer was a horrible human being and a wanted criminal in his home
country. Your love of chess has blinded you to the fact that he was a
lot more than just "eccentric" or mentally ill....He was a vile person
not worthy of your incessant fawning...a man willing to think that a
letter was poisoned and then let an innocent person open it instead.
It is obvious from his dealings with his closest "friends" that this
guy was clearly nothing more than a "taker," not a real friend who
gave back....

I am not Jewish, but Fischer's hideous anti-Semitic tirades combined
with his admiration of Hitler ("We once watched a documentary about
Nazi Germany and upon leaving the theatre Bobby said that he admired
Hitler" -- Larry Evans, Chess Life 3/2008 p. 15) and claims that the
Holocaust was a "hoax" (Jan Timman, New In Chess 2008/2 p. 34) should
clue you in to who this man really was....

As a 7-year veteran of the U.S. military, what personally bothers me
the most were Fischer's rants in the Philippines, when he called the
9/11 attacks "wonderful news" and that that the U.S. "has to be
destroyed." To every American, this man was a traitor during a time of
war.

Love his inanimate games, but this guy was sick, and well beyond
mental illness, so stop using that as an excuse. He was a hate-monger
to the bone and to deify him personally is wrong on every level. You
guys love, and I use a word Fischer used often, a real "creep...."



wrote:
QUICK INTERVIEW WITH JEREMY SILMAN

Q. If you could change one thing in the chess world, what would it be?

A. I would like to see many of the governing bodies (FIDE#, USCF,
etc.) fall into a black hole.

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Old May 12th 08, 07:00 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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FISCHER WAS NO CRIMINAL

Fischer was a horrible human being and a wanted

criminal in his home country. -- Kevin Cotreau

Contrary to the pumped up rhetoric from Kevin
Cotreau, Bobby Fischer was no criminal. Yes, he
was "wanted" Stateside for committing an illegal act.

But doesn't committing an illegal act make a
person a criminal per se?

That kind of thinking is totalitarian. Bobby
spat on a presidential executive order and defied a
trade embargoin 1992 for playing Spassky who returned
to France with no problem. More power to Bobby for
that act of asserting asserting human autonomy and
economic freedom against an overweening central regime.

The criminals are the ones who would prosecute
Fischer, though they would not be acting illegally,
given our massive corpus of federal law which, by the
way, can turn anyone into a "criminal" if searched
carefully enough. Including, indeed, our Mr. Cotreau.

The distinction between criminality and
illegality ought not to be forgotten.

Having written the above, I agree that based on
what Fischer said and often acted, he was a prime
louse. A crapulous human being.

Yours, Larry Parr



wrote:
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

(Two letters praise the Fischer coverage in #2 2008 but this excerpt
of a letter from Kevin Cotreau, Milford NH, USA, calls him a horrible
human being.}

I am so tired of the sycophantic, Bobby-Fischer-ass-kissing articles
like the one written by Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam in 2008/2. Bobby
Fischer was a horrible human being and a wanted criminal in his home
country. Your love of chess has blinded you to the fact that he was a
lot more than just "eccentric" or mentally ill....He was a vile person
not worthy of your incessant fawning...a man willing to think that a
letter was poisoned and then let an innocent person open it instead.
It is obvious from his dealings with his closest "friends" that this
guy was clearly nothing more than a "taker," not a real friend who
gave back....

I am not Jewish, but Fischer's hideous anti-Semitic tirades combined
with his admiration of Hitler ("We once watched a documentary about
Nazi Germany and upon leaving the theatre Bobby said that he admired
Hitler" -- Larry Evans, Chess Life 3/2008 p. 15) and claims that the
Holocaust was a "hoax" (Jan Timman, New In Chess 2008/2 p. 34) should
clue you in to who this man really was....

As a 7-year veteran of the U.S. military, what personally bothers me
the most were Fischer's rants in the Philippines, when he called the
9/11 attacks "wonderful news" and that that the U.S. "has to be
destroyed." To every American, this man was a traitor during a time of
war.

Love his inanimate games, but this guy was sick, and well beyond
mental illness, so stop using that as an excuse. He was a hate-monger
to the bone and to deify him personally is wrong on every level. You
guys love, and I use a word Fischer used often, a real "creep...."



wrote:
QUICK INTERVIEW WITH JEREMY SILMAN

Q. If you could change one thing in the chess world, what would it be?

A. I would like to see many of the governing bodies (FIDE#, USCF,
etc.) fall into a black hole.

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Old May 12th 08, 10:24 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
FISCHER WAS NO CRIMINAL

Fischer was a horrible human being and a wanted

criminal in his home country. -- Kevin Cotreau

Contrary to the pumped up rhetoric from Kevin
Cotreau, Bobby Fischer was no criminal. Yes, he
was "wanted" Stateside for committing an illegal act.

But doesn't committing an illegal act make a
person a criminal per se?

That kind of thinking is totalitarian.


Exactly. And, moreover, Edwin Meese, Champion of Liberty, said:

"But the thing is, you don't have many suspects who are
innocent of a crime. That's contradictory. If a person
is innocent of a crime, then he is not a suspect."

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Old May 12th 08, 11:44 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc
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Bobby
spat on a presidential executive order and defied a
trade embargoin 1992


More precisely, the "Trading with the Enemy Act"

for playing Spassky who returned
to France with no problem. More power to Bobby for
that act of asserting asserting human autonomy and
economic freedom against an overweening central regime.


This kind of 'assering economic freedom' has the following
precedent:

"George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush,
was a director and shareholder of companies that profited
from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly
discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm
of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with
the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's
assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act..."

Evil overweening central regime prevents upstanding American
businessman from making a buck.


 




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