In article , wrote:

On 21 Jul 2003 21:33:08 -0700, (Oreo Knight)
wrote:

-remove- (Mhoulsby) wrote in message
...
From: "Matt Nemmers"
Date: 21/07/03 01:28 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id: FsGSa.108044$ye4.80928@sccrnsc01

"Michael Ferguson" wrote in message
.. .

Yes -- I voted for Sam. He is no surely worse than the rest of those
bunglers. At least I can count on Sam to be informed before he makes a
decision, and not just spout off random nonsense like 99% of this
newsgroup's participants.



-- mcf


I guess you're new 'round these parts.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2E351555

Check that out before you start talking about Sloan being "informed before
he makes a decision" and how he doesn't "just spout off random nonsense."

Guess maybe YOU should've been a little more informed before you cast your
vote. (Not that you aren't entitled...)

Regards,

Matt


To be fair, Matt, that is about the only one for which Sloan apologised
(eventually, after having thrown away his PC because it had crashed
[or so his
story went]).

Best
Mark

yeah, have you actually read the WHOLE story Sam initially fed us
about that one? i posted it recently as a "refresher". getting a death
wrong is not only uncool, it is about as stupid as you can get.

O.K.

In the first place, what I said was not really wrong. What I wrote
was, "It has been reported that Leko died in a car crash while
analyzing a game he had played against Shirov on a pocket set."

This was true in that this had been reported in Hungary. The report
was wrong. Leko had not been killed. However, I correctly stated that
it had been reported that he had been killed.

Major news agencies often make much bigger errors in reporting than
this one.

Sam Sloan

I'm sure they have. But think about what you just said yourself: you
stated "it has been reported", yet you could provide no direct statement
of this "source", and plus by saying "it has been reported" you were doing
your usual of trying to "cover some Sloan ass". SERIOUSLY...did you
really think that everyone else was so stupid that they would buy your
whole detailed account of the chess pices and the undisturbed board, etc.?
That's ludicrous and follows the same pattern that your typical ramblings
wander off in.

M.H.

In article , wrote:

On 21 Jul 2003 17:53:07 -0700, (Oreo Knight)
wrote:

"Matt Nemmers" wrote in message
news:f6FSa.109584$H17.33950@sccrnsc02...
(And no, pity-votes and jokes don't count. And if you were drunk when you
voted for him, that doesn't count either.)

Would anyone who *seriously* voted for Sloan thinking he was a *serious*
candidate like to hang a big matzah-ball out there and admit it on a public
forum? And if so, would you care to explain WHY you did so, in light
of his
obvious character flaws and insanity?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Matt


Hi Matt,

Well it's starting to get trashy about you on here, so I wanted to say
"hi" and hang in there. Tell ya what, I'll start by throwing my own
trolling self under the bridge with you by posting below an old
article about "Scam Sloan" that I get a kick out of (enjoy!):

Unless you have some really degenerative condition, related to your
understanding of the terms "career criminal," it would be hard to
see any
basis
for your claim that Scam is otherwise.

After he flunked out of Berkeley he ran a knock-off
of the Sexual Freedom League, some inferior imitation, that
attracted
underage
minors for sex.

That got him thrown out of California, where he
had done time (his first arrest and imprisonment,
a milestone in any career criminal's life!).

He wound up in New York, where he developed his scheme "How To Take
Over A
Public Company"
(or something like that--I can't recall the exact title). The scam
essentially relied on filing frivolous lawsuits at such a
rate that the targeted defendant was overwhelmed, then using
default
judgments to
seize assets. As Scam explained it to me, you wind up with control
of the
company, but essentially it has been destroyed. As the courts
became more
skeptical about this type of
litigation, he upgraded his scam, and opened Samuel H. Sloan Inc.

Then he set up his scam on Wall Street, where he
sold securities that were several notches below junk
bonds--essentially a
worthless hoax. He stretched that skein until the SEC put him out
of
business.
Considerable litigation ensued. Scam got his name in the Supreme
Court, but
lost all the
important cases and went underground again.

Scam has never said a word about his father. All the talk, all the
self-revelatory disclosures,
conceal the fact that there are many things that are so painf! ul
that he
won't discuss them. But
after he got shut down, he went to Virginia.

Home, he launched into a campaign to scam his mother out of her
small estate
accumulated through many years of service as a public employee in
Virginia.
Opposed by
all the other members of his family, he eventually faced losing in
court. So
he packed up his mother and shipped her off to a
toilet in the UAR, where she languishes to this day,
alone and estranged, but out of reach of the American courts.

At about this time, Scam found it "prudent" to leave the United
States, just
ahead of certain investigations of his business practices. He spent
the next
few years travelling abroad,
beyond the reach of American courts while the statute of
limitations
relentlessly ran on. He
wrote a muckraking account of the behavior of the US FIDE mission
in Dubai
1986 that
established his credentials as a chess journalist. (In the US, you
can become
a chess journalist
just by stating some facts about what happens at a meeting, because
our
official minutes are always so dishonest.)

When the Statute of Limitations ran, he came home, just ahead of a
series of
imminent depradations abroad. He
has never told us the truth about these various illegalities, but
we know he
was in prison in
Afghanistan, Iran, and perhaps two or three other countries for
financial and
sexual acts.
By this time, he claims to have converted to Islam, taken an
islamic name,
and married
three or four Southeast Asian women who were working as maids in
the Arab
Emirates.
Apparently, under Scam's interpretation of Islam, he can have at
least three
wives at a
time. The exact number is known only to Sam and a small number of
district
attorneys.

He wasn't home very long before ! he got i nto a tussle with the
prosecutors
in Virginia. He wound
up getting a five-year sentence in the Claude Bloodgood Chess
Academy, the
Virginia State
Penitentiary, where he learned many new things. He has never had an
AIDS
test, but it is
rumored that some of the new things he learned were contagious.
That doesn't
stop
this pervert, now almost 60 years old, from engaging in risky sex
at every
opportunity.

When he got back, he tried to parlay a couple of old relationships
into jobs
by scamming the
old friends who didn't know he was a con man. He moved in with a
woman in San
Francisco,
Arden Van Upp (he had known her when he was in Berkeley, and now he
found out
she had money)
who owned some property, charged a fortune in phone bills, started
litigation
that got her
sued by all her family members, screwed up her life and well-being,
and then
he took off
and left her life in a mess.

He also conned another old friend, Richard Bozulich, who had made
some money
writing
books on oriental games. Scam conned him into making Scam
president, at
whichpoint
Scam sued all the other members of the Board in an attempt to seize
control
of the
corporate assets. He claims to have won a judgment of $25K against
them, but
never
recovered a penny. Meanwhile, Ishi press was ruined--more
precisley, it now
exists
only as a website for Scam's perversions.

He still is a degenerate. He found a new mark that owns a property
management business,
and he lets Scam stay rent-free in his vacant apartments.

One of Scam's more lurid adventures came when he was charged with
rape two
years ago
by one of the girls he picked up. He now says that she was really
crazy--I
take that as an
expert opinion.

Confronted with the threat of a rape indictment, Sloan contrived a
brilliant
and unprecedented
legal defense. He reached into his sock drawer, pulled out a used
condom
from months before,
and presented it as Exhibit A to prove that he had had consensual
sex with
the girl, and therefore
could not be guilty of rape. After the prosecutors finished
wretching, they
threw him out. So far,
nobody else has asked to see his collection of used condoms, or
what is
growing on them.

In short, let'be honest again. Scam has never had a real job. He
has made
his living all his
life by scamming other people with frivilous litigation, schemes,
cons,
hoaxes, and lies.
He has been in numerous jails, prisons, and detention centers
around the
world for a
wide variety of crimes of theft and moral turpitude. His life is
the life of
the grifter.

I could go on and on about Scam's sordid past. What does it take to
become a
professional
criminal in your definition? I can't imagine how anyone could
define Scam as
anything
else. Lex Luther spent less time plotting criminality than Sloan.


Regards,
Tom Dorsch

Makes a great story, doesn't it.

But, Dorsch forgot to tell you about his old girlfriend, Charlie the
Crab.

Sam Sloan
http://www.samsloan.com/thecrab.htm

You know, it's pretty easy to sort through legal documentation online
(with all of the "legal stuff" you do Sloan, I'm sure you know this!), and
the "story" above looks like more factual than you'd like to admit.

In any case, am I to assume that the link you provide is not "biased",
even though it is an article you wrote for your website? :-P

Two suggestions for your site however: (i) can the cheesy music, and (ii)
don't post pictures of other people in order to ridicule until you can
prove that you're not as hideous-looking as those that you post of
yourself.

M.H.

From: (Fifiela)
Date: 21/07/03 23:45 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id:

You habitually misuse the word: troll

OK; What is the definiton of troll?


If you're still reading the thread, you're probably getting the idea by now.
Briarroot's reply to my reply to his reply to you is a typical demonstration of
trolling behaviour.

It's also a typical demonstration of psychopathic behaviour.

I suspect that there is a great many trolls who may be mentally ill.

What these people *completely* fail to grasp is that even when their methods
have been clearly delineated by the victims of their trolling (as I have done
here) they *continue* to employ those *same* methods notwithstanding that it is
detrimental to them.

Mental illness seems to me to be the most plausible explanation...

Thanks for your post.

Best
Mark

From: (Sam Sloan)
Date: 22/07/03 07:49 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 21 Jul 2003 21:33:08 -0700, (Oreo Knight)
wrote:

-remove- (Mhoulsby) wrote in message
...
From: "Matt Nemmers"
Date: 21/07/03 01:28 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id: FsGSa.108044$ye4.80928@sccrnsc01

"Michael Ferguson" wrote in message
.. .

Yes -- I voted for Sam. He is no surely worse than the rest of those
bunglers. At least I can count on Sam to be informed before he makes a
decision, and not just spout off random nonsense like 99% of this
newsgroup's participants.



-- mcf


I guess you're new 'round these parts.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2E351555

Check that out before you start talking about Sloan being "informed
before
he makes a decision" and how he doesn't "just spout off random nonsense."

Guess maybe YOU should've been a little more informed before you cast
your
vote. (Not that you aren't entitled...)

Regards,

Matt


To be fair, Matt, that is about the only one for which Sloan apologised
(eventually, after having thrown away his PC because it had crashed [or so
his
story went]).

Best
Mark

yeah, have you actually read the WHOLE story Sam initially fed us
about that one? i posted it recently as a "refresher". getting a death
wrong is not only uncool, it is about as stupid as you can get.

O.K.

In the first place, what I said was not really wrong. What I wrote
was, "It has been reported that Leko died in a car crash while
analyzing a game he had played against Shirov on a pocket set."

This was true in that this had been reported in Hungary. The report
was wrong. Leko had not been killed. However, I correctly stated that
it had been reported that he had been killed.

Major news agencies often make much bigger errors in reporting than
this one.

Sam Sloan


Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

Sam: remember what Clark Gable said.

Your SUBJECT HEADING (which, in case you hadn't realised, is the part that
folks read *before* opening the post) read:

"Peter Leko killed in car accident"

In other words, your *subject heading* presented Leko's having been killed as a
*fact*.

In order for this new argument of yours to be remotely credible, your subject
heading *should* have read:

"Peter Leko reported killed in car accident."

Is that too ****ing difficult to understand?

Go away. Idiot troll.

Mark

(drahmiel) wrote in message ...
I voted for Sam.

He's never boring and as far as I know he never killed anybody.

And Sam Sloan's having sex with children gets a pass from "drahmiel".

On 22 Jul 2003 05:19:24 -0700, (Spam Scone)
wrote:

(drahmiel) wrote in message ...
I voted for Sam.

He's never boring and as far as I know he never killed anybody.

And Sam Sloan's having sex with children gets a pass from "drahmiel".

More lies by Neil Brennen. Some day I will get around to suing you for
this.

Sam Sloan

Sam Sloan wrote (Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:49:00 GMT):

what I said was not really wrong. What I wrote was, "It has
been reported that Leko died in a car crash while analyzing a
game he had played against Shirov on a pocket set."

This was true in that this had been reported in Hungary. The
report was wrong. Leko had not been killed. However, I
correctly stated that it had been reported that he had been killed.

_
That was not the first sentence in the Sam Sloan note:

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV VVVVVVVVVV
From: Sam Sloan )
Subject: Peter Leko killed in car accident
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar, rec.games.chess.politics,
rec.games.chess.misc
Date: 2002-12-01 19:46:44 PST

Peter Leko was killed in a car accident today in Budapest.

It has been reported that Leko died in a car crash while analyzing a
game he had played against Shirov on a pocket set. Shirov is in Spain
now and was not in the accident.

Leko, 23, recently won a qualification tournament and was scheduled to
play a match for the World Chess Championship. He was once the world's
youngest grandmaster and has consistently been rated in the top ten
players in the world.

Sam Sloan
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAA

"StanB" wrote in message
...

"drahmiel" wrote in message
...

I voted for Sam.

He's never boring and as far as I know he never killed anybody.

He killed Peter Leko.

Yeah, but then he brought him back to life... Good trick, that...

--
Looney
----------------------------------------------------
http://www.patzersprogress.com

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:28:21 GMT, "Matt Nemmers"
wrote:

"Michael Ferguson" wrote in message
.. .

Yes -- I voted for Sam. He is no surely worse than the rest of those
bunglers. At least I can count on Sam to be informed before he makes a
decision, and not just spout off random nonsense like 99% of this
newsgroup's participants.



-- mcf


I guess you're new 'round these parts.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2E351555

Check that out before you start talking about Sloan being "informed before
he makes a decision" and how he doesn't "just spout off random nonsense."

I read the link. Sam was just reporting something he had heard
elsewhere; there was no "decision", except to unknowingly relay the
incorrect information. Anyone could fall for something like this.

Guess maybe YOU should've been a little more informed before you cast your
vote. (Not that you aren't entitled...)

I've been reading this newsgroup long enough to know that 99% of the
denizens here are a bunch of crack-smocking lunatics. Sam may be
insane in his own way, but at least he has good writing skills and can
reason clearly. This is much more than I can say for the majority of
the group.



-- mcf

99% of the
denizens here are a bunch of crack-smocking lunatics. Sam may be
insane in his own way, but at least he has good writing skills and can
reason clearly.

-- mcf

mcf?
Don't you mean s.i.s. (Samuel I. Sloan)?