"RSHaas" wrote in message
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Ha!! You got rich running adult chess tournaments, huh? Name one
entrepreneur of adult chess tournaments that got rich since I first joined
in
1963.

Bill Goichberg. It was reported he makes 300,000 a year. How else could he
afford those fancy cars he drives.

StanB

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"StanB" wrote in message
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"RSHaas" wrote in message
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Ha!! You got rich running adult chess tournaments, huh? Name one
entrepreneur of adult chess tournaments that got rich since I first
joined
in
1963.

Bill Goichberg. It was reported he makes 300,000 a year. How else could he
afford those fancy cars he drives.

StanB


Which leads me to one question. If only one organizer (for the purposes of
this discussion) makes a profit, and a significant one at that, what happens
when that organizer retires?

My idea is that the possibility exists that chess in the US would go the way
of the majority of chess clubs out there, which is: one person gets a bug up
their butt, and does everything ... runs tourneys, does the ads, the
footwork, the organizing, site procuring, signs the checks ... and burns out
in a year or two. The club does extremely well till this guy stops showing
up, and all of a sudden, the chess club dies.

Please don't let this happen nationally.

sandirhodes

"sandirhodes" wrote in message
. ..

Which leads me to one question. If only one organizer (for the purposes
of
this discussion) makes a profit, and a significant one at that, what
happens
when that organizer retires?

Businesses rarely make it past the first generation. It will be interesting
to see what happens when/if Bill hangs up his TD shirt.

StanB

"Bill Goichberg. It was reported he makes 300,000 a year. How else could he
afford those fancy cars he drives. (StanB)
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I know nothing about BG's personal finances but it seems to me he began his
career as a chess promoter with a lot of money... maybe family money. I don't
think he started small and worked his way up the financial ladder from chess
alone. If he makes $300,000 per year I'd doubt all comes from chess
tournaments. He must have some non-chess investments or business activities.
(RSHaas)

"George John" writes:
Mikel would have been the computer professional on the Board that I
have long thought might be needed to get the upgrade finally done.

Why do you think that having a computer professional on the board
would get the upgrade done?

A lot of us cheered when Dorsch was elected treasurer because we
thought that meant we would finally start getting some answers about
the USCF's crazy finances. We were dreaming. Even as treasurer,
Dorsch was never allowed to find out the answers, and we don't know
many of the answers even to this day.

If computer nerds are going to be of any help with the upgrade, they
have to be in the office getting the work done with the full backing
of the ED. (Supposedly that is happening now--we'll see). Merely
having them on the board driving from the back seat doesn't sound
especially useful.

Subject: What is going on with Frank N.?
From: (RSHaas)
Date: 07/29/2003 10:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Bill Goichberg. It was reported he makes 300,000 a year. How else could he
afford those fancy cars he drives. (StanB)
==============
I know nothing about BG's personal finances but it seems to me he began
his
career as a chess promoter with a lot of money... maybe family money. I
don't
think he started small and worked his way up the financial ladder from chess
alone.

I started running tournaments full time in 1967 with no money. For about 25
years I barely got by, probably averaging less than the minimum wage. About
1993-1994 I learned how to do things better and since then have averaged about
$75,000 income per year.

If he makes $300,000 per year I'd doubt all comes from chess
tournaments. He must have some non-chess investments or business activities.


I have never made $300,000, or even half that, in one year. Anyone who claims
that is probably using the "entry fees minus prizes" method of calculation,
overlooking other expenses (for instance, CCA sends out about 350,000 pieces of
mail each year and pays another $50,000 or so for advertising).

Bill Goichberg

(RSHaas)

"Recmate" wrote in message
...

I started running tournaments full time in 1967 with no money. For about
25
years I barely got by, probably averaging less than the minimum wage.
About
1993-1994 I learned how to do things better and since then have averaged
about
$75,000 income per year.

My goodness, you make less then the ED? How do you explain those fancy
cars?

StanB

"I started running tournaments full time in 1967 with no money. For about 25
years I barely got by, probably averaging less than the minimum wage. About
1993-1994 I learned how to do things better and since then have averaged about
$75,000 income per year." (recmate)
==============
In that case you certainly took some daring risks in the old days. I remember
CCA's Continental Open in Atlanta which drew almost 300 in a very untested
market at that time. That single event doubled Georgia's USCF membership!!
Because of what you did for chess in Atlanta you'll never find me among the
critics of CCA's activities. (RSHaas)

"George John" wrote in ...

I hope to continue to contribute to the USCF, too, but if by the end of
the
Board of Delegates meetings there is no adequate, and explicit commitment,
including the necessary funding, to the upgrade in the written plan, I
intend to resign as a USCF Delegate and from all USCF Committees that I am
currently a member, and will instead fully devote my chess volunteer time
to
Houston and Texas chess.

George,

Frank Niro personally assured me that he intends to devote surplus funds
from the building sale to the technology upgrade. But the sale has to
happen, before he knows what's available. He told me this, because he saw
your post in which you mentioned quitting your posts, and he was distressed
by it. He said, "This is when we *need* him to help."

Just passing on what I've been told. You may want to have your own
conversation with Frank.

Tim Hanke

Dear Bill,

Heil Dubya!

Most, if not all, of the characters who post these ad hominem attacks have no
knowledge of chess history -- or of ANY history, for that matter. The claims
that you have made $300,000 a year are simply intended to make people angry at
you. Not only are they not based on any knowledge by the claimants, but they
are lies made up from whole cloth. It is not worth your while to respond to
them.





Subject: What is going on with Frank N.?
From: (RSHaas)
Date: 07/29/2003 10:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Bill Goichberg. It was reported he makes 300,000 a year. How else could he
afford those fancy cars he drives. (StanB)
==============
I know nothing about BG's personal finances but it seems to me he began
his
career as a chess promoter with a lot of money... maybe family money. I
don't
think he started small and worked his way up the financial ladder from chess
alone.

I started running tournaments full time in 1967 with no money. For about 25
years I barely got by, probably averaging less than the minimum wage. About
1993-1994 I learned how to do things better and since then have averaged
about
$75,000 income per year.

If he makes $300,000 per year I'd doubt all comes from chess
tournaments. He must have some non-chess investments or business
activities.


I have never made $300,000, or even half that, in one year. Anyone who
claims
that is probably using the "entry fees minus prizes" method of calculation,
overlooking other expenses (for instance, CCA sends out about 350,000 pieces
of
mail each year and pays another $50,000 or so for advertising).

Bill Goichberg

(RSHaas)

Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

Fraternally,

Jerry Bibuld
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