Subject: What is going on with Frank N.?
From: "StanB"
Date: 07/30/2003 8:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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"Recmate" wrote in message
...

I started running tournaments full time in 1967 with no money. For about
25
years I barely got by, probably averaging less than the minimum wage.
About
1993-1994 I learned how to do things better and since then have averaged
about
$75,000 income per year.

My goodness, you make less then the ED? How do you explain those fancy
cars?

StanB


Are you referring to my 1978 Chevy Impala wagon?

Bill Goichberg

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Subject: What is going on with Frank N.?
From: "StanB"
Date: 07/30/2003 8:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:


"Recmate" wrote in message
...

I started running tournaments full time in 1967 with no money. For about
25
years I barely got by, probably averaging less than the minimum wage.
About
1993-1994 I learned how to do things better and since then have averaged
about
$75,000 income per year.

My goodness, you make less then the ED? How do you explain those fancy
cars?

StanB


Are you referring to my 1978 Chevy Impala wagon?

Bill Goichberg

Ah. A collector.

Kevin L. Bachler

"Recmate" wrote in message
...

My goodness, you make less then the ED? How do you explain those fancy
cars?

Are you referring to my 1978 Chevy Impala wagon?

Yes. Now that it is 25 years old it is an antique. Therefore it must be
worth a bundle. Well it will be when you repair those rust holes.

StanB

"Tim Hanke" wrote in message
...

Frank Niro personally assured me that he intends to devote surplus funds
from the building sale to the technology upgrade.

He assured me that whatever was left over from the move would go back to the
LMA.

StanB

"Jerome Bibuld" wrote in message
...

Most, if not all, of the characters who post these ad hominem attacks have
no
knowledge of chess history -- or of ANY history, for that matter. The
claims
that you have made $300,000 a year are simply intended to make people
angry at
you. Not only are they not based on any knowledge by the claimants, but
they
are lies made up from whole cloth. It is not worth your while to respond
to
them.

Dear Suffering Christ,

It was not an attack. It was a satire of what Dorsch once said. Bill knows I
know the truth because we have discussed it in person. The fancy cars are a
joke too because I have seen that piece of **** he drives. But you are such
a "glass is half empty" paranoid nut case you read evil into each and
everything. Yet, you see good in the likes of Stalin, Hitler, and Hussein.
Go figure.

StanB

ospam (Jerome Bibuld) wrote in message ...
Dear Bill,

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Most, if not all, of the characters who post these ad hominem attacks have no
knowledge of chess history -- or of ANY history, for that matter. The claims
that you have made $300,000 a year are simply intended to make people angry at
you. Not only are they not based on any knowledge by the claimants, but they
are lies made up from whole cloth. It is not worth your while to respond to
them.



Well said, Jerry. I'm a little slow on the uptake, but I get there in the end...

Best
Mark

"StanB" wrote ...

"Tim Hanke" wrote in message
...

Frank Niro personally assured me that he intends to devote surplus funds
from the building sale to the technology upgrade.

He assured me that whatever was left over from the move would go back to
the
LMA.

StanB

Stan,

He assured me more recently than he assured you, so I win.

Wait a minute: I'm a Life Member, so if the LMA isn't funded, I lose. This
is so confusing.

Tim Hanke

Subject: What is going on with Frank N.?
From: (Scott)
Date: 07/30/2003 7:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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How much do the hotels charge you?

-Scott



The larger tournaments usually get enough room nights to avoid meeting room
rent. The smaller ones often pay about $1000 to $2000.

Bill Goichberg


"Bill Goichberg. It was reported he makes 300,000 a year. How else could
he
afford those fancy cars he drives. (StanB)
==============
I know nothing about BG's personal finances but it seems to me he began
his
career as a chess promoter with a lot of money... maybe family money. I
don't
think he started small and worked his way up the financial ladder from
chess
alone.

I started running tournaments full time in 1967 with no money. For about
25
years I barely got by, probably averaging less than the minimum wage.
About
1993-1994 I learned how to do things better and since then have averaged
about
$75,000 income per year.

If he makes $300,000 per year I'd doubt all comes from chess
tournaments. He must have some non-chess investments or business
activities.


I have never made $300,000, or even half that, in one year. Anyone who
claims
that is probably using the "entry fees minus prizes" method of calculation,
overlooking other expenses (for instance, CCA sends out about 350,000
pieces of
mail each year and pays another $50,000 or so for advertising).

Bill Goichberg

(RSHaas)

"Tim Hanke" wrote in message
...

Tim,

-snip-

Frank Niro personally assured me that he intends to devote surplus funds
from the building sale to the technology upgrade. But the sale has to
happen, before he knows what's available.

I have been hearing about this sale for how long now?

He told me this, because he saw
your post in which you mentioned quitting your posts, and he was
distressed
by it. He said, "This is when we *need* him to help."

If a clear plan is published in writing by no later than the end of the LA
Board of Delegates meeting that explicitly commits a certain dollar figure,
contingent upon the sale/mortgage of the building at "X" dollars, which is
also accepted by the current CIO to be sufficient to complete they upgrade,
I will remain as a delegate and on any committees that either the BOD or EB
would like me to serve on. The USCF's management needs to give the upgrade
the priority, committment, attention, and push that it has needed, but not
been given, for many years now. As a priority I would rank it just behind
meeting payroll and paying the utilities.

Just passing on what I've been told. You may want to have your own
conversation with Frank.

Frank is welcome to call me. -smile-

Seriously, words are cheap. I have heard a lot of promising words over the
past several years. But, the time for more words is long over. I'm looking
for a concrete commitment and action. I have been waiting for this upgrade
for nearly five years now. Sorry, my patience is gone.

George

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:55:08 GMT, "George John"
wrote:

If a clear plan is published in writing by no later than the end of the LA
Board of Delegates meeting that explicitly commits a certain dollar figure,
contingent upon the sale/mortgage of the building at "X" dollars, which is
also accepted by the current CIO to be sufficient to complete they upgrade,
I will remain as a delegate and on any committees that either the BOD or EB
would like me to serve on. The USCF's management needs to give the upgrade
the priority, committment, attention, and push that it has needed, but not
been given, for many years now. As a priority I would rank it just behind
meeting payroll and paying the utilities.

Dear George,

You keep talking about this "upgrade", as if it will save the
sinking UCSF, but you have yet to mention a thing about it. Why do we
need this "upgrade" so desperately, when the current system obviously
works well enough? This looks like another Game Parlor disaster in the
making; why don't we just save the money while we have it, instead of
dumping it into another sink hole?


-- mcf