On 30 Jul 2003 09:25:28 -0700, (FirebrandX)
wrote:

EZoto wrote in message news:379e1ac4a02330a98e312ff3c6f7afb7@TeraNews.. .
Well when you have guys who believe they are at a high level
( whatever that is? ) and feel they are immortal, then when they fall
they fall pretty hard and realize mortality. Yes it is true. There
are guys with worse attitudes than Sam Sloan. Frightening indeed!

EZoto


You know Mig takes a lot of undue heat from player-haters and it's
pretty childish from what I've been reading. I've personally watched
Mig play casual games with other masters and I'll be DAMNED if anyone
is going to tell me he is sub-1900 strength. I watched him play a
series of blitz games against a 2400 IM and in nearly every game Mig
got the better position but lost on time.

I see. But, have you ever seen him actually win a game? I mean like
has it ever happened that his opponent extended his hand across the
board and said, "I resign".

You see, we in chess think that it does not matter much that a player
gets the better position in nearly game. What matters is whether the
player actually wins a few games.

Have you ever seen Mig win one?

Sam Sloan

Sam Sloan wrote:

I see. But, have you ever seen him actually win a game? I mean like
has it ever happened that his opponent extended his hand across the
board and said, "I resign".

You see, we in chess think that it does not matter much that a player
gets the better position in nearly game. What matters is whether the
player actually wins a few games.

Have you ever seen Mig win one?

Sam Sloan

I don't know if EZoto has, but I have. He was at the Marshall during the
Generation Chess International and playing a foreign FM who was hanging out at
the tournament some blitz. Mig won his share, but I think he ended up down
overall.

John Fernandez

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
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On 30 Jul 2003 09:25:28 -0700, (FirebrandX)
wrote:

EZoto wrote in message
news:379e1ac4a02330a98e312ff3c6f7afb7@TeraNews.. .
Well when you have guys who believe they are at a high level
( whatever that is? ) and feel they are immortal, then when they fall
they fall pretty hard and realize mortality. Yes it is true. There
are guys with worse attitudes than Sam Sloan. Frightening indeed!

EZoto


You know Mig takes a lot of undue heat from player-haters and it's
pretty childish from what I've been reading. I've personally watched
Mig play casual games with other masters and I'll be DAMNED if anyone
is going to tell me he is sub-1900 strength. I watched him play a
series of blitz games against a 2400 IM and in nearly every game Mig
got the better position but lost on time.

I see. But, have you ever seen him actually win a game? I mean like
has it ever happened that his opponent extended his hand across the
board and said, "I resign".

You see, we in chess think that it does not matter much that a player
gets the better position in nearly game. What matters is whether the
player actually wins a few games.

Have you ever seen Mig win one?

In "Searching for Bobby Fischer," Fred Waitzkin relates a match of 1 minute
bullet games between (IM, IIRC) Victor Frias and an unnamed "weak master"
who played in a park in LA. Victor lost every game on time, often only a
couple of moves from checkmate. When Victor suggested increasing the time
to 75 seconds, the man refused.

Who was the stronger player, Sam?

--
Looney
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Subject: Dr. Mig? (still a f)
From: "StanB"
Date: 8/1/2003 8:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:


"John Fernandez" wrote in message
...

I don't know if EZoto has, but I have. He was at the Marshall during the
Generation Chess International and playing a foreign FM who was hanging
out at
the tournament some blitz. Mig won his share, but I think he ended up down
overall.

And would you guess his performance rating to have been closer to 1900 or
2400?

StanB

Considering that losing all his games would have been higher than 1900, and
drawing all of his games around 2400, clearly he was much closer to 2400.

John Fernandez

Subject: Dr. Mig? (still a f)
From: "Tim Hanke"
Date: 8/1/2003 8:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: qwDWa.44040$Ho3.6523@sccrnsc03

"John Fernandez" wrote ...

Mig won his share, but I think he ended up down overall.

John,

Your answer is ambiguous to say the least. Where is Ken Sloan when we need
him?

In chess, everyone wins "his share." One's "share" is defined by the
respective ratings of the players.

For example, last year I played three masters, with an overall result of two
draws and one loss. I was rated about 2000, so I probably won my "share" of
points in those games (and like Mig against the FM, I "ended up down
overall").

So what was Mig's "share" against the FM? 0%, 10%, 20% ... ?

Tim Hanke

It's not like I watched every bloody game.

35%? I dunno.

John Fernandez

Subject: Dr. Mig? (still a f)
From: "StanB"
Date: 8/2/2003 12:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:


"John Fernandez" wrote in message
...

Considering that losing all his games would have been higher than 1900,
and
drawing all of his games around 2400, clearly he was much closer to 2400.

2149 is closer to 1900. Are FMs rated 2400 or more?

StanB

This one was 2380 FIDE if I recall correctly.

John Fernandez