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Many people feel that scholastic memberships are successful primarily because of
the lower dues charged to them. While this is a factor, I think this answer is far too simplistic. Youth dues have been around for some time, yet the scholastic success is fairly recent. Certainly dues are a factor, but there are other considerations which are very important. If we better understand these considerations, we may be able to apply some of the ideas to other groups as well either directly, or indirectly (by replicating the idea.) Here are some key factors: Scholastic programs have resources. They have buildings in which to run chess club. They have people (often paid) to run them. They often have funds from a PTO or school to purchase equipment. Scholastic programs ADVERTISE for players. Usually this is not direct advertising, but in scholastics TEAM PLAY IS KEY. Friends, parents, instructors will recruit other players to be on the team to assist the team. Scholastic programs have created a STATUS to being on the chess team. Parents and kids now think it is cool, especially at the K-6 level. Note that it is much less cool at the 9-12 level. (I often hear from HS students just how UNCOOL adult chess tournaments are, and that they don't like to associate with many of the adult players.) All of these factors are key, and historically I think have been more important than the dues rate. I've been thinking about these factors recently in respect to high school players and adults, and in respect to increasing scholastic retention. Also, recently I've visited a number of colleges, and that has created a few ideas also. As I have a chance to think these through a little more, I'll post some of my ideas. Kevin L. Bachler |
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In article t, Chris Kantack
says... In article , says... Many people feel that scholastic memberships are successful primarily because of the lower dues charged to them. While this is a factor, I think this answer is far too simplistic. Youth dues have been around for some time, yet the scholastic success is fairly recent. If by "fairly recent" you mean the past 10 to 15 years or so, then I agree. Scholastic chess has not mushroomed overnight but has enjoyed a very healthy and steady growth for well over 10 years. (At least it has here in Washington State.) Yes, that is what I meant. The growth was exponential for some time, but has leveled off significantly from the early trends. Certainly dues are a factor, but there are other considerations which are very important. If we better understand these considerations, we may be able to apply some of the ideas to other groups as well either directly, or indirectly (by replicating the idea.) Here are some key factors: Scholastic programs have resources. They have buildings in which to run chess club. They have people (often paid) to run them. They often have funds from a PTO or school to purchase equipment. Well, even without paid people, scholastic chess can be very successful. Often there are several parents enthused about the game which prompts them to ensure their kids are present and they (the parents) are more willing to volunteer their time and effort at club meetings and tournaments. Some schools provide some funding for their chess clubs and that is great. But often scholastic clubs must arrange all their own funding just like any other chess club. A good resource that is often overlooked is corporate funding. Many large corporations have considerable grant money just waiting to be given out to area school clubs to offset travel expenses and other items. It certainly is easier to get funding for a scholastic endeavor than an adult one. Scholastic programs ADVERTISE for players. Usually this is not direct advertising, but in scholastics TEAM PLAY IS KEY. Friends, parents, instructors will recruit other players to be on the team to assist the team. Not sure what you mean by "Team Play"...but I wholeheartedly agree that scholastic clubs are very good at "getting the word out" regarding club meetings and scheduled tournaments. In IL, surrounding states and nationally there is a focus on "medley" tournaments where players can play as an individual, but the real focus for many of the players is how their team (usually top 4 scores added) does in the tournament. Everyone is made to feel as though they are a part of the team, and they compete against other schools. In this sense, the focus is on team play. Once again, this is a direct result of the enthusiasm and various channels readily available to school age children. I usually have no problems getting a school to announce a chess event "over the loudspeakers" during morning announcements. Thus the whole school population (a captive audience) heres word of the next big chess event. Scholastic programs have created a STATUS to being on the chess team. Parents and kids now think it is cool, especially at the K-6 level. Note that it is much less cool at the 9-12 level. (I often hear from HS students just how UNCOOL adult chess tournaments are, and that they don't like to associate with many of the adult players.) Yes. It is very strange that a game which is "so cool" at K-6 suddenly becomes unfashionable by the time you reach high school. I suppose one could debate this phenomena at length. All of these factors are key, and historically I think have been more important than the dues rate. I agree Kevin. The due rate is a minor factor. I've been thinking about these factors recently in respect to high school players and adults, and in respect to increasing scholastic retention. Also, recently I've visited a number of colleges, and that has created a few ideas also. As I have a chance to think these through a little more, I'll post some of my ideas. Kevin L. Bachler Thanks for the posting. The success of the scholastic chess scene is a fascinating story. Chris Kantack http://home.earthlink.net/~kantack/lcdchess/home.htm Kevin L. Bachler |
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Continuing on the theme:
Conclusions: 1. Although the lower dues are helpful, the primary reason scholastics attract more members than adults is that there are very significant resources expended by third parties to attract kids. These resources come from schools, school-related persons and entities, parents, and in some cases (probably the smallest group) directly from chess professionals targeting these groups. 2. The perception is that members are routinely lost as they move from elementary to middle school, middle to high school, and high school to college, to a large extent because each entity that they are coming from has a focus on team play, and the new entity often does not. 3. Chess is very cool at the elementary level, much less cool at the HS level. HS students are generally more social (this is when their brains take on more social development), and let's face it, adult chess does not typically portray a cool social environment or cool role models. Additionally, there is increased competition from other past-times, the opposite sex, etc. Indicators: This should lead us to consider the following plans of action: A. We should work extensively with teacher and school groups to further promote chess at all scholastic levels, K- post-graduate. This means several distinct programs, targeting different school types. The goal, of course, is to leverage their resources to help us get and maintain members. -At all levels, this means preparing and providing electronic and printed materials, perhaps even video, to assist teachers, principals, parents, etc. in learning how to form a chess club, contact local groups to find tournaments, etc. (Many scholastic events, although rated, are not in TLA's). -At different levels this will take different forms. For example, one idea for K-12 is to work with colleges such as UTD, Shimer, etc. to provide programs to teachers that will meet their continuing education certification requirements for K-12 instructors. This has several impacts: -- It helps the colleges. -- The teacher's district will typically pay for these classes. -- The teachers are educated about chess and USCF rated play. -- It creates additional good-paying jobs for chess professionals. -At the college level we can focus on several key points: -- Working with groups like ACUI (Association of College Unions-International) to promote chess to colleges. -- Work with USCL and SPONSORS to define a few divisions based on size to promote a college league. Many websites are available to help run leagues, and this type of website should be incorporated into USCF's site. -- Encourage colleges to work with the community to help bring continuity to their chess club. Small schools (under 3,000) will often have a difficult time having enough chess players for a decent club. But by involving the community, the college chess experience is enhanced. The community would easily be willing to contribute time and dues for this, in exchange for having a good, clean meeting site. -- Develop materials for the college on how to work with the community, and the community on how to work with the colleges. Pick some good small colleges (for example, St. Olaf, IL Wesleyan, Clark University, Agnes Scott, Emory, Reed, Shimer, are all examples of the kinds of places to test this idea. The impact on this last idea could be critical in two ways. It begins to develop continuity from HS to college, and from college to adult, over time, the hope would be to retain more members. But in addition, some of the most enduring and strong chess clubs I have seen in the past 20 years are college-based. The resources are tremendous. Sometimes, the college chess club budget will even assist with holding significant tournaments during the year. The difficulty is the significant bureaucracy that exists at the college. Without a friendly professor, activities director, etc., setting up such a program can be extremely difficult. This could also be critical because it is a targeted and relatively low cost way to involve sponsors in the college chess league. However, to get sponsors, we need to have programs and we need to have materials to provide them that explains why they should sponsor these things. B. We should develop programs that will help us to leverage OTHER resources (outside USCF) to attract adults. An example is the college program above. C. We should develop programs that target continuity of membership. D. We should expand the member database to include key additional information, especially for youth. This information would include grade, old school, current school, school coach (and address) and other coach. This would better allows to spot or confirm trends in membership loss, and would also assist in the processing of scholastic entries, which coaches would pay for! E. We need to develop printed materials and video materials to explain to potential sponsors and civic groups and schools what chess is about. We could tell the Kansas City Chamber of Commerce, for example, that Supernationals in KC should be big and that downtown restaurants might want to stay open. But showing them a video of 5,000 kids playing chess, and another 5,000-7,500 parents, coaches, siblings in the skittles areas with nothing to do would help advertisers to know that they have a captive audience. These ideas all take SOME money. They should be done very professionally. At the same time, relative to a lot of things we could do, they are, I believe, much less expensive and much more likely to be successful. Plus, it may be possible to get sponsors to help develop some of these programs. Would Pepsi, Fastweb, etc. be interested in sponsoring high-school events? These are just thoughts at this point. But at first glance they tie together fairly well to develop programs -- programs aimed at increasing social resources devoted to chess which in turn work to help us increase our programs and memberships. Kevin L. Bachler |
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Also, by working with colleges, USCF may be able to take advantage of other
resources. Advertising/marketing/video students might be willing to make materials for USCF as part of a project. School printing capabilities might save USCF money on cost. Kevin L. Bachler |
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Good post! I'll save a copy.
Tim Hanke "Kevin L. Bachler" wrote in message ... Continuing on the theme: Conclusions: 1. Although the lower dues are helpful, the primary reason scholastics attract more members than adults is that there are very significant resources expended by third parties to attract kids. These resources come from schools, school-related persons and entities, parents, and in some cases (probably the smallest group) directly from chess professionals targeting these groups. 2. The perception is that members are routinely lost as they move from elementary to middle school, middle to high school, and high school to college, to a large extent because each entity that they are coming from has a focus on team play, and the new entity often does not. 3. Chess is very cool at the elementary level, much less cool at the HS level. HS students are generally more social (this is when their brains take on more social development), and let's face it, adult chess does not typically portray a cool social environment or cool role models. Additionally, there is increased competition from other past-times, the opposite sex, etc. Indicators: This should lead us to consider the following plans of action: A. We should work extensively with teacher and school groups to further promote chess at all scholastic levels, K- post-graduate. This means several distinct programs, targeting different school types. The goal, of course, is to leverage their resources to help us get and maintain members. -At all levels, this means preparing and providing electronic and printed materials, perhaps even video, to assist teachers, principals, parents, etc. in learning how to form a chess club, contact local groups to find tournaments, etc. (Many scholastic events, although rated, are not in TLA's). -At different levels this will take different forms. For example, one idea for K-12 is to work with colleges such as UTD, Shimer, etc. to provide programs to teachers that will meet their continuing education certification requirements for K-12 instructors. This has several impacts: -- It helps the colleges. -- The teacher's district will typically pay for these classes. -- The teachers are educated about chess and USCF rated play. -- It creates additional good-paying jobs for chess professionals. -At the college level we can focus on several key points: -- Working with groups like ACUI (Association of College Unions-International) to promote chess to colleges. -- Work with USCL and SPONSORS to define a few divisions based on size to promote a college league. Many websites are available to help run leagues, and this type of website should be incorporated into USCF's site. -- Encourage colleges to work with the community to help bring continuity to their chess club. Small schools (under 3,000) will often have a difficult time having enough chess players for a decent club. But by involving the community, the college chess experience is enhanced. The community would easily be willing to contribute time and dues for this, in exchange for having a good, clean meeting site. -- Develop materials for the college on how to work with the community, and the community on how to work with the colleges. Pick some good small colleges (for example, St. Olaf, IL Wesleyan, Clark University, Agnes Scott, Emory, Reed, Shimer, are all examples of the kinds of places to test this idea. The impact on this last idea could be critical in two ways. It begins to develop continuity from HS to college, and from college to adult, over time, the hope would be to retain more members. But in addition, some of the most enduring and strong chess clubs I have seen in the past 20 years are college-based. The resources are tremendous. Sometimes, the college chess club budget will even assist with holding significant tournaments during the year. The difficulty is the significant bureaucracy that exists at the college. Without a friendly professor, activities director, etc., setting up such a program can be extremely difficult. This could also be critical because it is a targeted and relatively low cost way to involve sponsors in the college chess league. However, to get sponsors, we need to have programs and we need to have materials to provide them that explains why they should sponsor these things. B. We should develop programs that will help us to leverage OTHER resources (outside USCF) to attract adults. An example is the college program above. C. We should develop programs that target continuity of membership. D. We should expand the member database to include key additional information, especially for youth. This information would include grade, old school, current school, school coach (and address) and other coach. This would better allows to spot or confirm trends in membership loss, and would also assist in the processing of scholastic entries, which coaches would pay for! E. We need to develop printed materials and video materials to explain to potential sponsors and civic groups and schools what chess is about. We could tell the Kansas City Chamber of Commerce, for example, that Supernationals in KC should be big and that downtown restaurants might want to stay open. But showing them a video of 5,000 kids playing chess, and another 5,000-7,500 parents, coaches, siblings in the skittles areas with nothing to do would help advertisers to know that they have a captive audience. These ideas all take SOME money. They should be done very professionally. At the same time, relative to a lot of things we could do, they are, I believe, much less expensive and much more likely to be successful. Plus, it may be possible to get sponsors to help develop some of these programs. Would Pepsi, Fastweb, etc. be interested in sponsoring high-school events? These are just thoughts at this point. But at first glance they tie together fairly well to develop programs -- programs aimed at increasing social resources devoted to chess which in turn work to help us increase our programs and memberships. Kevin L. Bachler |
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In article KUp6b.373656$YN5.251081@sccrnsc01, Tim Hanke says...
Good post! I'll save a copy. Tim Hanke Thank you. This is still very high level, but while visting colleges recently it is VERY APPARENT that there are enormous resources there, that colleges love to provide programs to their students, that chess gets a good reaction, that Internet play could be very popular, that advertisers (including credit card companies) advertise a lot at this level, etc. If we can find a way to DELIVER programs to colleges and create a partnership, it could create a huge national growth program. Question: Are too many colleges in "bad" places to help the adult community? Kevin L. Bachler |
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Kevin L. Bachler wrote:
Also, by working with colleges, USCF may be able to take advantage of other resources. Advertising/marketing/video students might be willing to make materials for USCF as part of a project. School printing capabilities might save USCF money on cost. Kevin L. Bachler I am not trying to pour cold water on what may be some excellent ideas, but I do wish to enter a word of caution here. I cannot speak for Illinois, but in Nebraska, this past year has been one of the worst years financially in more than a decade. Hundreds of millions of dollars were cut out of both higher and public education. At the same time, the "No Child Left Behind" act which went into effect last year, is placing huge accountability upon schools to perform nearly flawlessly, with of course less money than they've traditionally had. Here in Omaha, the local university cancelled more than dozen labs for a physics class because of lack of money to pay the professors. In Lincoln, the University had to put a hiring freeze on, and was almost ready to cut tenured faculty, until our legislature ignored the governor's wishes and raised taxes so that no further cuts would have to be made. Class sizes are higher than they've ever been here in Omaha in schools and many Elementary classrooms have over 25 students in them, which is not good. Many smaller school districts have had to merge with their neighbors or close altogether. Some are combining teaching/administrator jobs, or superintendent/principal jobs to save money. Some are not even replacing principals (or superintendents) when they quit and are making sharing arrangements with other school districts just to stay open one more year, in the hopes that things will improve. Nearly ANY idea proposed right now that doesn't have the funding attached to it, is going to be immediately rejected as impractical, at least around here. I know that California and Oregon are experiencing horrible financial problems as well. Does that mean that Kevin's ideas are bad? No. In fact, Kevin has made some really good suggestions, but unfortunately some of them would not be workable or practical right now here this state. Successful school chess programs around here have ebbed and flowed over the years, and nearly always the key to their existence or non-existence has been the presence of an interested or dedicated coach, teacher or parent whose child enjoys chess and would like to see some chess played and offered at his/her school. The program often lasts as long as the teacher, parent or student maintains the time and the interest in keeping things going. If the teacher leaves, the parent changes jobs, or the child moves to another school the program goes dormant. Chess club money is usually of secondary if not tertiary importance (at least in Nebraska). This is not to say that money would not help a lot, only that it is not the most critical component for success of a school chess program. My point is that asking schools to start or help finance the start of chess programs right now is likely to be met with a flat "no", because many schools can barely meet the needs of their students right now and funds and programs are being cut. If someone can write grants or offer funds to help seed these programs, then the programs sound like an excellent idea. Also, in a few years when and if the economy improves, these would be excellent ideas. I would caution anyone however in thinking that things will remain on course without the key local people in place to run it and keep it going. When key people leave, often the program goes dormant, because the people don't know what to do or how to do it, when they are left in charge. Best Regards, Bruce |
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In article , Bruce Draney says...
Kevin L. Bachler wrote: Also, by working with colleges, USCF may be able to take advantage of other resources. Advertising/marketing/video students might be willing to make materials for USCF as part of a project. School printing capabilities might save USCF money on cost. Kevin L. Bachler I am not trying to pour cold water on what may be some excellent ideas, but I do wish to enter a word of caution here. I cannot speak for Illinois, but in Nebraska, this past year has been one of the worst years financially in more than a decade. Hundreds of millions of dollars were cut out of both higher and public education. At the same time, the "No Child Left Behind" act which went into effect last year, is placing huge accountability upon schools to perform nearly flawlessly, with of course less money than they've traditionally had. Here in Omaha, the local university cancelled more than dozen labs for a physics class because of lack of money to pay the professors. In Lincoln, the University had to put a hiring freeze on, and was almost ready to cut tenured faculty, until our legislature ignored the governor's wishes and raised taxes so that no further cuts would have to be made. Think about it Bruce. You are making an argument FOR this, not against it. This is exactly why a college should want a chess program. At practically no (incremental) cost, they get a new club, and local volunteers to run it. (A thought that occurred to me later is USCF may want to offer a college affiliate a few (perhaps 5) free memberships if 1) It first signs up 5 new members and 2) the club is open to the local community.) They get knowledgeable TD's, local competition, an Internet league. Wow, if I'm a college I'm thinking here's something we can add exactly when we need to be doing take-aways. If I were the local community, I'd BUY the 5 "base memberships" just to get a free place to play. Kevin L. Bachler |
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Kevin L. Bachler wrote:
I am not trying to pour cold water on what may be some excellent ideas, but I do wish to enter a word of caution here. I cannot speak for Illinois, but in Nebraska, this past year has been one of the worst years financially in more than a decade. Hundreds of millions of dollars were cut out of both higher and public education. At the same time, the "No Child Left Behind" act which went into effect last year, is placing huge accountability upon schools to perform nearly flawlessly, with of course less money than they've traditionally had. Here in Omaha, the local university cancelled more than dozen labs for a physics class because of lack of money to pay the professors. In Lincoln, the University had to put a hiring freeze on, and was almost ready to cut tenured faculty, until our legislature ignored the governor's wishes and raised taxes so that no further cuts would have to be made. Think about it Bruce. You are making an argument FOR this, not against it. This is exactly why a college should want a chess program. At practically no (incremental) cost, they get a new club, and local volunteers to run it. (A thought that occurred to me later is USCF may want to offer a college affiliate a few (perhaps 5) free memberships if 1) It first signs up 5 new members and 2) the club is open to the local community.) They get knowledgeable TD's, local competition, an Internet league. Wow, if I'm a college I'm thinking here's something we can add exactly when we need to be doing take-aways. If I were the local community, I'd BUY the 5 "base memberships" just to get a free place to play. Kevin L. Bachler No I am saying it will not work presently. Please do not claim that I am agreeing with you, because I am definitely not. Best Regards, Bruce |
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