Heil Dubya!

When I was in the sixth grade, I had a teacher, Mrs. Wilson, who used to tell
us how wonderful it was to live in the United States. Her favorite reason was
that, while people had to carry identification at all times in other countries,
we could walk the streets with no identification at all and, as long as we were
peaceful, we were safe from governmental interference. Oh, well, tempus fugit.

Infringement of Human Rights and False Arrest in Grand Central Station

On Wednesday morning, 10 September, I went to New York, as I do almost every
Wednesday, to coach S. S., a dear friend, in chess. This is one of the small
pleasures of Dear Relatives, Friends and Associates in the World of Chess:
my life, particularly because my friend is 97 years old and keeps alive in me
the hope that I shall be as vital as she, if and when I reach my 98th year.

I planned to stop in Mount Vernon, on my way back, to visit another friend, so
I purchased three tickets at the Metropolitan Transit Authority (MTA) station
in White Plains, where I live: one from White Plains to Grand Central Terminal;
one from Grand Central Terminal to Mount Vernon; and one from Mount Vernon to
White Plains. The charges were $4.00 for the first ticket, $3.50 for the
second ticket and $1.00 for the third ticket. (I am 75 years old, so pay
reduced fares, as a "senior citizen".)

As often is the case, I enjoyed myself so much at the home of S. S. that I left
it much later than originally intended. I called my Mount Vernon friend, who
found a late visit inconvenient, so we cancelled our appointment and arranged
another date and time to meet. As the saying goes, "No problem."

When I arrived at Grand Central Station, of course, I went to the ticket office
to exchange my two tickets (GCT to MV and MV to W, as they were designated on
the tickets) for a single ride to White Plains - and a fifty cent refund.
There, the clerk asked me for identification.

"Why?" I asked. "Where is it written?"

I don't remember the exact response, but I do remember that my questions were
not answered. Instead, I was ordered to provide identification, if I wanted to
exchange my two tickets for one ticket and a fifty cent refund. Those were the
regulations, I was told, and they didn't have to show me where it was written.

I refused to provide the ordered identification.

The clerk told me to move on, if I wouldn't show identification. I refused to
do this, too, so we were at a brief impasse. This didn't last long, because
the clerk left her window to get a supervisor, who, when he arrived, supported
the clerk's position that identification was required, because those were the
regulations: no identification, no exchange of tickets and no refund. (He also
ignored the question about "where was it written.")

I refused again, so the supervisor repeated the injunction of the clerk: move
on. When I stood my ground at the ticket window, he summoned the MTA police.
I am of average size (five feet nine inches and 185 pounds), so only four
members of the force showed up. They wore badge numbers 2273, 2337, 2461 and
2480.

They tried to "reason" with me. Essentially, their points were that it wasn't
worth my trouble to refuse to show identification over a fifty cent refund;
that, were I to be arrested, it would be a terrible inconvenience for me and
that I would be put in jail, probably overnight, with felons and other
miscreants. (The former was their word, but I supply the latter.) Why not be
a good boy (None of them was old enough to be, normally, my child; I believe
all could have been my grandchildren.), show the identification and go home to
White Plains. I think they did achieve one goal; they got me away from the
ticket window.

After a brief discussion, we went our separate ways and I returned to the
ticket window where the quiet scene of five to ten minutes earlier was
repeated. This time, when the MTA police were called, only two showed up.
Apparently, they had met the enemy and decided that it was not imposing enough
for four officers. This time, there was little discussion. I was arrested and
brought to the MTA police station. It was an uncomfortable - but not
frightening -- experience. What I disliked most was being handcuffed behind my
back, with cuffs that were rather too tight (and left an impression on my skin,
which I noticed when they were removed).

In the police station, I was searched and had everything removed from my
pockets. My money was removed from its wallet and, after being counted, was
stuffed into my shirt pocket. Everything else was kept by the MTA police. I
believe the arresting officer intended to keep all my medications, but I
appealed to the sergeant on duty, who allowed me to have my nitroglycerine. I
was told to remove my shoes, which they kept, and locked up. Despite having my
identification, the arresting officer asked me several questions, to identify
me, such as name, address and date of birth. The poor man was most annoyed.
Here, he was, stuck arresting a 75-year-old eccentric, when, as he told me, he
was needed for more important duties, like "the war on terrorists". ("You are
taking us away from serious things, like 9-11" and other such words of
opprobrium, which I tuned out, after the first sentence,)

The sergeant who allowed me to keep my nitroglycerine, seemed to want to get
rid of this nuisance, so he asked me if I would go home quietly - not return to
the ticket window - if I received a ticket to White Plains and fifty cents. I
told him, "Of course. That's what I wanted from the beginning." He told me he
would see what he could do. About a half hour or a little more later, he
returned with the ticket to White Plains, the fifty cents and a summons to
answer a charge of "DISCON" at 314 W 54 St, Summons Part AR 6, on 15 October
2003. I plan to plead, "Not guilty", of course. I also plan to sue the MTA
for infringement of my human rights and for false arrest. (If anyone knows a
lawyer who is willing to take these cases on a pro bono basis, I would
appreciate a contact.)

("Dammittohell!" in my favorite exclamation of Nils's Uncle Chris. The 15th of
October is a Wednesday and I shall miss my date with S. S.)

Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristaloncht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

Fraternally (or lovingly, as the case may be),

Jerome Bibuld
gens una sumus

On 14 Sep 2003 21:04:50 GMT, ospam (Jerome Bibuld)
wrote:

Heil Dubya!

When I was in the sixth grade, I had a teacher, Mrs. Wilson, who used to tell
us how wonderful it was to live in the United States. Her favorite reason was
that, while people had to carry identification at all times in other countries,
we could walk the streets with no identification at all and, as long as we were
peaceful, we were safe from governmental interference. Oh, well, tempus fugit.

Infringement of Human Rights and False Arrest in Grand Central Station

On Wednesday morning, 10 September, I went to New York, as I do almost every
Wednesday, to coach S. S., a dear friend, in chess. This is one of the small
pleasures of Dear Relatives, Friends and Associates in the World of Chess:
my life, particularly because my friend is 97 years old and keeps alive in me
the hope that I shall be as vital as she, if and when I reach my 98th year.

I planned to stop in Mount Vernon, on my way back, to visit another friend, so
I purchased three tickets at the Metropolitan Transit Authority (MTA) station
in White Plains, where I live: one from White Plains to Grand Central Terminal;
one from Grand Central Terminal to Mount Vernon; and one from Mount Vernon to
White Plains. The charges were $4.00 for the first ticket, $3.50 for the
second ticket and $1.00 for the third ticket. (I am 75 years old, so pay
reduced fares, as a "senior citizen".)

As often is the case, I enjoyed myself so much at the home of S. S. that I left
it much later than originally intended. I called my Mount Vernon friend, who
found a late visit inconvenient, so we cancelled our appointment and arranged
another date and time to meet. As the saying goes, "No problem."

When I arrived at Grand Central Station, of course, I went to the ticket office
to exchange my two tickets (GCT to MV and MV to W, as they were designated on
the tickets) for a single ride to White Plains - and a fifty cent refund.
There, the clerk asked me for identification.

"Why?" I asked. "Where is it written?"

I don't remember the exact response, but I do remember that my questions were
not answered. Instead, I was ordered to provide identification, if I wanted to
exchange my two tickets for one ticket and a fifty cent refund. Those were the
regulations, I was told, and they didn't have to show me where it was written.

I refused to provide the ordered identification.

The clerk told me to move on, if I wouldn't show identification. I refused to
do this, too, so we were at a brief impasse. This didn't last long, because
the clerk left her window to get a supervisor, who, when he arrived, supported
the clerk's position that identification was required, because those were the
regulations: no identification, no exchange of tickets and no refund. (He also
ignored the question about "where was it written.")

I refused again, so the supervisor repeated the injunction of the clerk: move
on. When I stood my ground at the ticket window, he summoned the MTA police.
I am of average size (five feet nine inches and 185 pounds), so only four
members of the force showed up. They wore badge numbers 2273, 2337, 2461 and
2480.

They tried to "reason" with me. Essentially, their points were that it wasn't
worth my trouble to refuse to show identification over a fifty cent refund;
that, were I to be arrested, it would be a terrible inconvenience for me and
that I would be put in jail, probably overnight, with felons and other
miscreants. (The former was their word, but I supply the latter.) Why not be
a good boy (None of them was old enough to be, normally, my child; I believe
all could have been my grandchildren.), show the identification and go home to
White Plains. I think they did achieve one goal; they got me away from the
ticket window.

After a brief discussion, we went our separate ways and I returned to the
ticket window where the quiet scene of five to ten minutes earlier was
repeated. This time, when the MTA police were called, only two showed up.
Apparently, they had met the enemy and decided that it was not imposing enough
for four officers. This time, there was little discussion. I was arrested and
brought to the MTA police station. It was an uncomfortable - but not
frightening -- experience. What I disliked most was being handcuffed behind my
back, with cuffs that were rather too tight (and left an impression on my skin,
which I noticed when they were removed).

In the police station, I was searched and had everything removed from my
pockets. My money was removed from its wallet and, after being counted, was
stuffed into my shirt pocket. Everything else was kept by the MTA police. I
believe the arresting officer intended to keep all my medications, but I
appealed to the sergeant on duty, who allowed me to have my nitroglycerine. I
was told to remove my shoes, which they kept, and locked up. Despite having my
identification, the arresting officer asked me several questions, to identify
me, such as name, address and date of birth. The poor man was most annoyed.
Here, he was, stuck arresting a 75-year-old eccentric, when, as he told me, he
was needed for more important duties, like "the war on terrorists". ("You are
taking us away from serious things, like 9-11" and other such words of
opprobrium, which I tuned out, after the first sentence,)

The sergeant who allowed me to keep my nitroglycerine, seemed to want to get
rid of this nuisance, so he asked me if I would go home quietly - not return to
the ticket window - if I received a ticket to White Plains and fifty cents. I
told him, "Of course. That's what I wanted from the beginning." He told me he
would see what he could do. About a half hour or a little more later, he
returned with the ticket to White Plains, the fifty cents and a summons to
answer a charge of "DISCON" at 314 W 54 St, Summons Part AR 6, on 15 October
2003. I plan to plead, "Not guilty", of course. I also plan to sue the MTA
for infringement of my human rights and for false arrest. (If anyone knows a
lawyer who is willing to take these cases on a pro bono basis, I would
appreciate a contact.)

("Dammittohell!" in my favorite exclamation of Nils's Uncle Chris. The 15th of
October is a Wednesday and I shall miss my date with S. S.)

Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristaloncht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

Fraternally (or lovingly, as the case may be),

Jerome Bibuld
gens una sumus

Dear Mr Bibuld,

If I still lived in NYC and if I where a lawyer I would, with great
pleasure, plead your case and any similar cases that you might want to
generate.

Thanks for the story; it's good to know that there is at least one
reasonable person left in NY.

Jürgen

"Jurgen R." wrote:

Dear Mr Bibuld,

If I still lived in NYC and if I where a lawyer I would, with great
pleasure, plead your case and any similar cases that you might want to
generate.

Thanks for the story; it's good to know that there is at least one
reasonable person left in NY.

Reasonable? ROTFLMAO!

If there's one thing that post illustrates, it's that
Bibuld (The Commissar of Comedy) is *not* reasonable!

Certifiable maybe, but not reasonable. ;-)

"Jerome Bibuld" wrote in message
...

SNIP

Is Sam Sloan posting under Jerry "It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!" Bibuld's
email address now?

Regards,

Matt

I don't know, I don't see the big deal about asking for ID, it seems strange in
this situation, but...

John Fernandez

Which Jerry? Doesn't matter. You're a hoo hoo.

Matt Nemmers wrote:

"Jerome Bibuld" wrote in message
...

SNIP

Is Sam Sloan posting under Jerry "It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!" Bibuld's
email address now?

Regards,

Matt

I think you should have to ask for photo ID at the
newyorkmasters to make sure your participants are
not terrorists. You should.also be on the lookout
for elderly photographers.

John Fernandez wrote:

I don't know, I don't see the big deal about asking for ID, it seems strange in
this situation, but...

John Fernandez

I think you should have to ask for photo ID at the
newyorkmasters to make sure your participants are
not terrorists.

No, but I asked for photo ID when a player came in claiming to be someone who I
knew he wasn't.

You should.also be on the lookout
for elderly photographers.

I will. He comes by every now and then. I don't have a problem with him though.

John Fernandez

Still crazy after all these years?

StanB


"Jerome Bibuld" wrote in message
...
Heil Dubya!

When I was in the sixth grade, I had a teacher, Mrs. Wilson, who used to
tell
us how wonderful it was to live in the United States. Her favorite reason
was
that, while people had to carry identification at all times in other
countries,
we could walk the streets with no identification at all and, as long as we
were
peaceful, we were safe from governmental interference. Oh, well, tempus
fugit.

Infringement of Human Rights and False Arrest in Grand Central Station

On Wednesday morning, 10 September, I went to New York, as I do almost
every
Wednesday, to coach S. S., a dear friend, in chess. This is one of the
small
pleasures of Dear Relatives, Friends and Associates in the World of Chess:
my life, particularly because my friend is 97 years old and keeps alive in
me
the hope that I shall be as vital as she, if and when I reach my 98th
year.

I planned to stop in Mount Vernon, on my way back, to visit another
friend, so
I purchased three tickets at the Metropolitan Transit Authority (MTA)
station
in White Plains, where I live: one from White Plains to Grand Central
Terminal;
one from Grand Central Terminal to Mount Vernon; and one from Mount Vernon
to
White Plains. The charges were $4.00 for the first ticket, $3.50 for the
second ticket and $1.00 for the third ticket. (I am 75 years old, so pay
reduced fares, as a "senior citizen".)

As often is the case, I enjoyed myself so much at the home of S. S. that I
left
it much later than originally intended. I called my Mount Vernon friend,
who
found a late visit inconvenient, so we cancelled our appointment and
arranged
another date and time to meet. As the saying goes, "No problem."

When I arrived at Grand Central Station, of course, I went to the ticket
office
to exchange my two tickets (GCT to MV and MV to W, as they were designated
on
the tickets) for a single ride to White Plains - and a fifty cent refund.
There, the clerk asked me for identification.

"Why?" I asked. "Where is it written?"

I don't remember the exact response, but I do remember that my questions
were
not answered. Instead, I was ordered to provide identification, if I
wanted to
exchange my two tickets for one ticket and a fifty cent refund. Those
were the
regulations, I was told, and they didn't have to show me where it was
written.

I refused to provide the ordered identification.

The clerk told me to move on, if I wouldn't show identification. I
refused to
do this, too, so we were at a brief impasse. This didn't last long,
because
the clerk left her window to get a supervisor, who, when he arrived,
supported
the clerk's position that identification was required, because those were
the
regulations: no identification, no exchange of tickets and no refund. (He
also
ignored the question about "where was it written.")

I refused again, so the supervisor repeated the injunction of the clerk:
move
on. When I stood my ground at the ticket window, he summoned the MTA
police.
I am of average size (five feet nine inches and 185 pounds), so only four
members of the force showed up. They wore badge numbers 2273, 2337, 2461
and
2480.

They tried to "reason" with me. Essentially, their points were that it
wasn't
worth my trouble to refuse to show identification over a fifty cent
refund;
that, were I to be arrested, it would be a terrible inconvenience for me
and
that I would be put in jail, probably overnight, with felons and other
miscreants. (The former was their word, but I supply the latter.) Why
not be
a good boy (None of them was old enough to be, normally, my child; I
believe
all could have been my grandchildren.), show the identification and go
home to
White Plains. I think they did achieve one goal; they got me away from
the
ticket window.

After a brief discussion, we went our separate ways and I returned to the
ticket window where the quiet scene of five to ten minutes earlier was
repeated. This time, when the MTA police were called, only two showed up.
Apparently, they had met the enemy and decided that it was not imposing
enough
for four officers. This time, there was little discussion. I was
arrested and
brought to the MTA police station. It was an uncomfortable - but not
frightening -- experience. What I disliked most was being handcuffed
behind my
back, with cuffs that were rather too tight (and left an impression on my
skin,
which I noticed when they were removed).

In the police station, I was searched and had everything removed from my
pockets. My money was removed from its wallet and, after being counted,
was
stuffed into my shirt pocket. Everything else was kept by the MTA police.
I
believe the arresting officer intended to keep all my medications, but I
appealed to the sergeant on duty, who allowed me to have my
nitroglycerine. I
was told to remove my shoes, which they kept, and locked up. Despite
having my
identification, the arresting officer asked me several questions, to
identify
me, such as name, address and date of birth. The poor man was most
annoyed.
Here, he was, stuck arresting a 75-year-old eccentric, when, as he told
me, he
was needed for more important duties, like "the war on terrorists". ("You
are
taking us away from serious things, like 9-11" and other such words of
opprobrium, which I tuned out, after the first sentence,)

The sergeant who allowed me to keep my nitroglycerine, seemed to want to
get
rid of this nuisance, so he asked me if I would go home quietly - not
return to
the ticket window - if I received a ticket to White Plains and fifty
cents. I
told him, "Of course. That's what I wanted from the beginning." He told
me he
would see what he could do. About a half hour or a little more later, he
returned with the ticket to White Plains, the fifty cents and a summons to
answer a charge of "DISCON" at 314 W 54 St, Summons Part AR 6, on 15
October
2003. I plan to plead, "Not guilty", of course. I also plan to sue the
MTA
for infringement of my human rights and for false arrest. (If anyone
knows a
lawyer who is willing to take these cases on a pro bono basis, I would
appreciate a contact.)

("Dammittohell!" in my favorite exclamation of Nils's Uncle Chris. The
15th of
October is a Wednesday and I shall miss my date with S. S.)

Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristaloncht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

Fraternally (or lovingly, as the case may be),

Jerome Bibuld
gens una sumus

"Jurgen R." wrote in message
...

Thanks for the story; it's good to know that there is at least one
reasonable person left in NY.

Ja, das lieden Christie.

StanB