In article , RSHaas says...

What I like best about organizing chess is that I have not organized chess
in more than ten years.

RSHaas


So in other words, you just want someone else to do all the work, and have
tournaments of the size YOU want.

Kevin L. Bachler

In article , RSHaas says...

"So in other words, you just want someone else to do all the work, and have
tournaments of the size YOU want."
(Kevin L. Bachler)
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Long ago among my Mensa posts I said I could get interested in the USCF if
it installed a Mensa system. I'd even volunteer to help a Tampa Bay District
50 miles away if my local area was included in it. I guess you missed that
post, huh?
Lacking a Mensa model, I wouldn't lift an organizational finger on behalf of
the USCF. Why should I?

RSHaas

Because it would help irrespective of the model. You have admitted that
resource is the primary issue.

Kevin L. Bachler

"Because it would help irrespective of the model. You have admitted that
resource is the primary issue. (Kevin L. Bachler)
============
If you wish to demonstrate that point using only myself as the would-be
resource in the circumstance I described, then the Mensa model applied to Tampa
would gain one human resource that Tampa otherwise wouldn't have.
Score 1 point for the Mensa model for increasing resources however modest
they might be.
Score 0 for the traditional model which will not prod me into USCF based
chess work.
I win, you lose in that limited case.
By the way, I am not totally out of the chess organizational picture... I
don't do USCF stuff.. but I am pushing the Sarasota parks department to install
a "games garden" that would function as a gathering place for chess players.
No luck so far, but maybe someday.

RSHaas

In article , RSHaas says...

"Because it would help irrespective of the model. You have admitted that
resource is the primary issue. (Kevin L. Bachler)
============
If you wish to demonstrate that point using only myself as the would-be
resource in the circumstance I described, then the Mensa model applied to Tampa
would gain one human resource that Tampa otherwise wouldn't have.

There is no mensa model in tampa. Your comment is nonsense.

Kevin L. Bachler

"There is no mensa model in tampa. Your comment is nonsense. (Kevin L.
Bachler)
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My comment is perfectly clear. If there was a Mensa model in Tampa I
personally would be willing to help it in some way. If not, I wouldn't lift a
finger. In that isolated case the Mensa model would indeed "increase"
resources.
I'm certain that you have found yourself in a situation where you would take
some kind of action .. if a certain condition existed. There would be no
nonsense about that. OK.. same with me, huh?
In this particular tiny case, you trapped yourself by using me personally as
a potential resouce in the example. And, by doing so you lost the exchange to
old Haasie down in Sarasota.
But never mind. On the larger scale I have never claimed that a national
Mensa model would increase overall resources. It might or it might not. What
I would claim is that it would reposition resources if and when Chess HQ could
be made to operate at a level low enough to free up sufficient money for the
Mensa'd component. That may never happen. Thus for the time being the Mensa
model remains merely a think piece. Don't waste any money on extra blood
pressure pills just yet.

RSHaas

Bruce Draney wrote in message ...
RSHaas wrote:

"Because it would help irrespective of the model. You have admitted that
resource is the primary issue. (Kevin L. Bachler)
============
If you wish to demonstrate that point using only myself as the would-be
resource in the circumstance I described, then the Mensa model applied to Tampa
would gain one human resource that Tampa otherwise wouldn't have.
Score 1 point for the Mensa model for increasing resources however modest
they might be.
Score 0 for the traditional model which will not prod me into USCF based
chess work.
I win, you lose in that limited case.
By the way, I am not totally out of the chess organizational picture... I
don't do USCF stuff.. but I am pushing the Sarasota parks department to install
a "games garden" that would function as a gathering place for chess players.
No luck so far, but maybe someday.

RSHaas

In that case you are committing what is tantamount to theivery by using
the Swiss System, which is the rightful property of USCF. If you use
unofficial ratings which are based in any way off of USCF ratings, you
owe USCF some money based on the principle of value transfer. This is
from page 1,497 of Chapter 7 in the Tome of Agony, one of the giant
books of pain and scripture on Planet Kevin.
Best Regards,
Bruce

Bruce, don't muddy the water. Kevin is correct on the Mensa issue, and
he's always managed to stop up the Mensa-stration that Rhaas suffers
from.

In article , Spam Scone says...

Bruce Draney wrote in message
...

Besides, Bruce, why would you two non-members care about whether USCF used metro
districts?

Kevin L. Bachler

In article , RSHaas says...

"There is no mensa model in tampa. Your comment is nonsense. (Kevin L.
Bachler)
=============
My comment is perfectly clear. If there was a Mensa model in Tampa I
personally would be willing to help it in some way. If not, I wouldn't lift a
finger. In that isolated case the Mensa model would indeed "increase"
resources.

The model has nothing to do with it. If you helped resources would increase
irrespective of the model. So your reasonsing makes no sense. You say that
resources are the issue, you want to increase resources, but you will only do so
if they use the mensa densa model, because that increases resources because then
you would help.

You're begging the question, senor.

Kevin L. Bachler

"The model has nothing to do with it. If you helped resources would increase
irrespective of the model. So your reasonsing makes no sense. You say that
resources are the issue, you want to increase resources, but you will only do
so
if they use the mensa densa model, because that increases resources because
then you would help. (Kevin L. Bachler)
==============
Again you are wrong. Suppose I am needed to donate blood. The collection
point is dirty and they use rusty needles. That is the existing model and I'm
not interested. I say I will donate blood if the model is changed so that the
collection point clean and professional. Thus the second model would provoke
my donation, but the existing model would not. Agree? If so, then the same
would apply in the chess case,. i.e. donation of chess work under certain
conditions.
I might add a real chess world example of how a change in model might
provoke a change in chess work. Certain changes might occur for scholastic
chess, possibly resulting in less favorable "conditions" for scholastic
workers. You'd insist they'd plow ahead under any model because their work
would help in either case. But they might not respond if "conditions" were
less attractive. So the model has some meaning.

RSHaas

In article , RSHaas says...

"The model has nothing to do with it. If you helped resources would increase
irrespective of the model. So your reasonsing makes no sense. You say that
resources are the issue, you want to increase resources, but you will only do
so
if they use the mensa densa model, because that increases resources because
then you would help. (Kevin L. Bachler)
==============
Again you are wrong.

So your contention is that if you helped now, resources would not increase?
What resource then would decrease to offset the additional resource of you?

Suppose I am needed to donate blood. The collection
point is dirty and they use rusty needles. That is the existing model and I'm
not interested.

Sorry, this analogy is nonsense. There are many existing tournaments that could
use help that do not fit that analogy. Or you could do what some organizers
have done in IL, and simply start your own clinic.

Your comments here are BS Haas, to us and yourself. You make excuses. Either
get down and dirty and help out, or give it up.

Kevin L. Bachler