Is it still on? Is the USCF still moving to Crossville?

On 30 Sep 2003 10:57:48 -0700,
(Crossville Chess) wrote:

Is it still on? Is the USCF still moving to Crossville?

No.

Harry Sabine, plus the Mayor of Crossville plus the Chairman of the
Chamber of Commerce of Crossville came all the way from Crossville,
Tennessee to the USCF Executive Board meeting in New Windsor, New York
yesterday

The USCF Executive Board refused to meet with them or to give them any
hearing. They returned to Crossville angry and upset.

It looks like the Crossville deal is either on hold or dead.

Sam Sloan

No.

Harry Sabine, plus the Mayor of Crossville plus the Chairman of the
Chamber of Commerce of Crossville came all the way from Crossville,
Tennessee to the USCF Executive Board meeting in New Windsor, New York
yesterday

The USCF Executive Board refused to meet with them or to give them any
hearing. They returned to Crossville angry and upset.

It looks like the Crossville deal is either on hold or dead.

Sam Sloan


Sam,

You are correct on one of the three that visited from Crossville, that in fact
was Harry Sabine. The other gentleman wasn't the mayor, and the lady from the
chamber of commerce wasn't the chairman of the chamber either, I believe she is
a vice president.

We met with them briefly during our closed session on Sunday, and had dinner
with them at Cosimo's on Sunday night as well.

Grant

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
...

Harry Sabine, plus the Mayor of Crossville plus the Chairman of the
Chamber of Commerce of Crossville came all the way from Crossville,
Tennessee to the USCF Executive Board meeting in New Windsor, New York
yesterday

The USCF Executive Board refused to meet with them or to give them any
hearing. They returned to Crossville angry and upset.

You are so full of **** your eyes are brown. Not only did they meet with
them but them joined us for dinner Sunday night.

StanB

"StanB" wrote ...

"Sam Sloan" wrote ...

Harry Sabine, plus the Mayor of Crossville plus the Chairman of the
Chamber of Commerce of Crossville came all the way from Crossville,
Tennessee to the USCF Executive Board meeting in New Windsor, New York
yesterday

The USCF Executive Board refused to meet with them or to give them any
hearing. They returned to Crossville angry and upset.

You are so full of **** your eyes are brown. Not only did they meet with
them but them joined us for dinner Sunday night.

StanB

Please, people, you can't rely on anything Sam Sloan says. Probably it is
wrong of me to get angry with him, because it is obvious to me, after
meeting him several times and reading his stuff on the Internet for years,
that he is mentally ill and therefore not fully responsible. But I do get
angry with him at times, mainly because some people do give him credence,
which makes him dangerous.

In the material Stan quotes above, Sloan identifies Harry Sabine correctly,
but there was no Mayor of Crossville and no Chairman of the Chamber of
Commerce at our meeting. Sloan's "Mayor" was someone from the local chess
club; Sloan's "Chairman" actually was a representative from the Chamber of
Commerce but did not have that lofty title.

Sloan states we "refused to meet with them"! The reverse is true: even
though these guests were not on our meeting agenda, we delayed our closed
meeting on Sunday out of deference to them, inviting them to speak to us
FIRST because they had come such a long way. After our closed meeting, we
went out to dinner and spent the evening talking with them.

It's really too bad that Sloan, one of the most prolific posters here, is
such a liar. He speaks very confidently and definitely, as if he knew
exactly what he was talking about, but it's all bullsh*t. Not everyone here
realizes that. That's what makes him dangerous, and that's why other people
(like me) sometimes lose their tempers with him. At such times my wife, who
used to work with mentally handicapped people, reminds me how foolish it is
to quarrel with someone like Sloan.

Tim Hanke

Tim Hanke wrote:
Please, people, you can't rely on anything Sam Sloan says. Probably it is
wrong of me to get angry with him, because it is obvious to me, after
meeting him several times and reading his stuff on the Internet for years,
that he is mentally ill and therefore not fully responsible. But I do get
angry with him at times, mainly because some people do give him credence,
which makes him dangerous.


Gee, Tim, do you remember when you where on the other side of this argument?
Do you remember when you would give Sloan the "benefit of the doubt"?

Your eyes only opened when he began lying about you. You're part of the
problem. Sheesh.

In the material Stan quotes above, Sloan identifies Harry Sabine correctly,
but there was no Mayor of Crossville and no Chairman of the Chamber of
Commerce at our meeting. Sloan's "Mayor" was someone from the local chess
club; Sloan's "Chairman" actually was a representative from the Chamber of
Commerce but did not have that lofty title.

Sloan states we "refused to meet with them"! The reverse is true: even
though these guests were not on our meeting agenda, we delayed our closed
meeting on Sunday out of deference to them, inviting them to speak to us
FIRST because they had come such a long way. After our closed meeting, we
went out to dinner and spent the evening talking with them.

It's really too bad that Sloan, one of the most prolific posters here, is
such a liar. He speaks very confidently and definitely, as if he knew
exactly what he was talking about, but it's all bullsh*t. Not everyone here
realizes that. That's what makes him dangerous, and that's why other people
(like me) sometimes lose their tempers with him. At such times my wife, who
used to work with mentally handicapped people, reminds me how foolish it is
to quarrel with someone like Sloan.

Tim Hanke


Yes, but this prolific liar was given the benefit of the doubt by you. Why
should anybody believe you now?

Besides, he's sent his lies to a gizzillion people who you will never reach.
They'll give him the benefit of the doubt about you. Just as you did.

Heck, you might meet someone in a remote part of the world, and they might know
who you are. They might believe what Scammie says about you. Truth is
stranger than fiction.

There is nothing you or I can do about Scammie. There might be something you
can do about you. Think about it.

James Eade
Remove the Sheesh to respond. Don't worry. Talk happy.

From: heesh (JimEade)
Date: 01/10/03 03:22 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id:

Tim Hanke wrote:
Please, people, you can't rely on anything Sam Sloan says. Probably it is
wrong of me to get angry with him, because it is obvious to me, after
meeting him several times and reading his stuff on the Internet for years,
that he is mentally ill and therefore not fully responsible. But I do get
angry with him at times, mainly because some people do give him credence,
which makes him dangerous.


Gee, Tim, do you remember when you where on the other side of this argument?

Do you remember when you would give Sloan the "benefit of the doubt"?

Your eyes only opened when he began lying about you. You're part of the
problem. Sheesh.

In the material Stan quotes above, Sloan identifies Harry Sabine correctly,
but there was no Mayor of Crossville and no Chairman of the Chamber of
Commerce at our meeting. Sloan's "Mayor" was someone from the local chess
club; Sloan's "Chairman" actually was a representative from the Chamber of
Commerce but did not have that lofty title.

Sloan states we "refused to meet with them"! The reverse is true: even
though these guests were not on our meeting agenda, we delayed our closed
meeting on Sunday out of deference to them, inviting them to speak to us
FIRST because they had come such a long way. After our closed meeting, we
went out to dinner and spent the evening talking with them.

It's really too bad that Sloan, one of the most prolific posters here, is
such a liar. He speaks very confidently and definitely, as if he knew
exactly what he was talking about, but it's all bullsh*t. Not everyone here
realizes that. That's what makes him dangerous, and that's why other people
(like me) sometimes lose their tempers with him. At such times my wife, who
used to work with mentally handicapped people, reminds me how foolish it is
to quarrel with someone like Sloan.

Tim Hanke


Yes, but this prolific liar was given the benefit of the doubt by you. Why
should anybody believe you now?

Besides, he's sent his lies to a gizzillion people who you will never reach.
They'll give him the benefit of the doubt about you. Just as you did.

Heck, you might meet someone in a remote part of the world, and they might
know
who you are. They might believe what Scammie says about you. Truth is
stranger than fiction.

There is nothing you or I can do about Scammie. There might be something you
can do about you. Think about it.

James Eade

James,

The post to which this is a reply (your post) is crammed with excellent advice
for Hanke. Unfortunately, as Hanke himself admitted (in a troll thread started
by the idiot Sloan, no less) he has "...less intelligence than a smart
six-year-old". See:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?C24221016

"Mark,

Errrm ... because I have less intelligence than a smart six-year-old?"

From: Tim Hanke Date: 2003-07-22 10:07:06 PST

With this in mind, Hanke's attempts to think about it may bear little, if any,
fruit.

Thanks for writing.

Mark Houlsby

GRACEFULNESS OR DISGRACEFULNESS?

By Larry Parr

Tim Hanke takes issue with some of what Sam Sloan wrote about the
recent Policy Board meeting.

Specifically, Mr. Sloan claimed that visitors from Crossville,
Tennessee, got snubbed by the Executive Board and left with their noses out of
joint.

Mr. Hanke responded that Mr. Sloan misidentified some of the
Crossvilleans and that the visitors were given not only a hearing but also
attended what we may take to have been a lengthy dinner accompanied by vino,
camraderie and serious talk.

One is certain that Sam got everything reversed on the snubbing
score. However, one would like to know whether the Tennessee lads left in a
semi-huff or whether the outcome was amicable. We still don't know if the USCF
is moving to Crossville.

Enter Jim Eade.

Mr. Eade asks whether Mr. Hanke recollects being on the other side and
according Mr. Sloan the "benefit of the doubt" until the latter began to lie
about Mr. Hanke. Mr Eade then writes of Mr. Hanke, "You are part of the
problem. Sheesh."

Sheesh, indeed.

Continues Mr. Eade to Mr. Hanke, "Yes but this prolific liar [Mr. Sloan]
was given the benefit of the doubt by you. Why should anybody believe you
now?"

Concludes Mr. Eade to Mr. Hanke, "There is nothing you or I can do about
Scammie [Mr. Sloan]. There might be something you can do about you. Think
about it."

Two comments: 1. Readers will have to decide for themselves whether Mr.
Eade's response is aglow with gracefulness or reeks with disgracefulness; and
2. I don't think most readers Mr. Sloan was lying when getting it all wrong
about whether the Executive Board met with the Tennessee folks. People
frequently turn facts on their head, and they are not lying. They are -- well,
they are turning facts on their head.

Was Mr. Eade lying when he claimed on this forum that I had "two
daughters" or was he just getting his facts wrong? I think he was just getting
his facts wrong.

On 30 Sep 2003 22:09:49 GMT, ojunk (GrantPerks) wrote:


No.

Harry Sabine, plus the Mayor of Crossville plus the Chairman of the
Chamber of Commerce of Crossville came all the way from Crossville,
Tennessee to the USCF Executive Board meeting in New Windsor, New York
yesterday

The USCF Executive Board refused to meet with them or to give them any
hearing. They returned to Crossville angry and upset.

It looks like the Crossville deal is either on hold or dead.

Sam Sloan


Sam,

You are correct on one of the three that visited from Crossville, that in fact
was Harry Sabine. The other gentleman wasn't the mayor, and the lady from the
chamber of commerce wasn't the chairman of the chamber either, I believe she is
a vice president.

We met with them briefly during our closed session on Sunday, and had dinner
with them at Cosimo's on Sunday night as well.

Grant

Notice the difference between what Grant Perks and Tim Hanke do deny
and what they do not deny.

For example, they say that the lady who came from Crossville,
Tennessee was not the Chairman of the Chamber of Commerce, that she
had a lower title.

However, these are minor insignificant details. They do not deny the
big, important points, which a

1. Harry Sabine is extremely unhappy about what happened at the
meeting and
2. The Crossville deal is either dead or on hold.

Sam Sloan

Notice the difference between what Grant Perks and Tim Hanke do deny
and what they do not deny.

For example, they say that the lady who came from Crossville,
Tennessee was not the Chairman of the Chamber of Commerce, that she
had a lower title.

However, these are minor insignificant details. They do not deny the
big, important points, which a

1. Harry Sabine is extremely unhappy about what happened at the
meeting and
2. The Crossville deal is either dead or on hold.

Sam Sloan


OF COURSE.

How could we all have been so stupid?
Sam is telling the truth and everyone else is lying.
Well, now that you put it that way, I think Sam Sloan should get the B+E
business as compensation.
Now we will have someone we can rely upon.

We have experience with Sam and know just how far he can be trusted.

Good luck Sam.

Richard Peterson