Let us not forget why we celebrate Thanksgiving:

We made the Native Americans cook for us and then we swindled them out of their
land.

As Martha Stewart might say:

"Social Darwinism, it's a good thing."


Tony D.

Dear Mr. Dilucente,

Heil Dubya!

There's a profound difference between swindling a people out of its land and
murdering, pillaging and raping -- committing genocide -- to steal the land
from the natives.Let us not forget why we celebrate Thanksgiving:

We made the Native Americans cook for us and then we swindled them out of
their
land.

As Martha Stewart might say:

"Social Darwinism, it's a good thing."




Tony D.


gens una sumus

Dear Mr. Dilucente,

Heil Dubya!

There's more than a little difference between swindling a people out of its
land -- which CAN'T be done -- and murdering, pillaging and raping (committing
genocide) to STEAL the land.

Let us not forget why we celebrate Thanksgiving:

We made the Native Americans cook for us and then we swindled them out of
their
land.

As Martha Stewart might say:

"Social Darwinism, it's a good thing."


Tony D.


Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgan die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristallnacht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

Fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
(I go on trial at 77 Lexington Avenue, White Plains, NY, at 1400 hours, 15
December, for refusing to move away from a demonstration site -- against the U.
S. invasion of Iraq -- when ordered by a member of the Army of Occupation of
Westchester County, despite the fact that the demonstrators had a "permit" to
do exactly what I was doing, at the time and place I was doing it. My son,
Douglass, has coined a lovely and apt phrase that I am proud to use: HYPOCRISY,
NOT DEMOCRACY!)

gens una sumus

Aren't you residing on Indian land yourself? Aren't you perpetuating the
crimes of your forefathers by doing so? Why not give it back (if it's
yours now) or fight to have it returned (if not) and move out of America?
Aviv

Jerome Bibuld wrote:

Dear Mr. Dilucente,

Heil Dubya!

There's more than a little difference between swindling a people out of its
land -- which CAN'T be done -- and murdering, pillaging and raping (committing
genocide) to STEAL the land.



Let us not forget why we celebrate Thanksgiving:

We made the Native Americans cook for us and then we swindled them out of
their
land.

As Martha Stewart might say:

"Social Darwinism, it's a good thing."


Tony D.




Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgan die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristallnacht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

Fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
(I go on trial at 77 Lexington Avenue, White Plains, NY, at 1400 hours, 15
December, for refusing to move away from a demonstration site -- against the U.
S. invasion of Iraq -- when ordered by a member of the Army of Occupation of
Westchester County, despite the fact that the demonstrators had a "permit" to
do exactly what I was doing, at the time and place I was doing it. My son,
Douglass, has coined a lovely and apt phrase that I am proud to use: HYPOCRISY,
NOT DEMOCRACY!)

gens una sumus

I have a friend who annoys me every time he says, "It's a good thing." I
figured it was something from TV and now you confirm it.

"Tony D." -rat wrote in message
...
Let us not forget why we celebrate Thanksgiving:

We made the Native Americans cook for us and then we swindled them out of
their
land.

As Martha Stewart might say:

"Social Darwinism, it's a good thing."


Tony D.

I'd like to echo Angelo's original point in this post which is to wish
political friend and foe alike a Happy Thanksgiving. It's been another
enjoyable year crossing swords with people on RGCP. Hope that as 2003
winds down that people are in good health and are able to share thanks
for the positive things they do have in their lives.

Best Regards,

Bruce

Dear Aviv,

Heil Dubya!

I have not wished to enter into public -- or private -- battles with you, Aviv,
because I do not blame you for the land of your birth. However, you have
baited me, both publicly and privately over that land of your birth, so, at
last I must respond. I see that the "history" taught in Zionist Occupied
Palestined is similar to the "history" taught in the United States: pure myth,
aimed at glorifying the current rulers.

When you condemned Edward Said out of hand, at the time of his death, I'm sure
you were unaware that one of his dearest friends -- who organized and conducted
a concert in his honor shortly after Dr. Said's death -- was "Israeli" Daniel
Barenboim. Read some of Dr. Said's work and you MIGHT get a glimpse of why
Barenboim revered him so greatly. Or are you afraid to read tghe work of Dr.
Said, because you might learn parallel between the genocidal policies against
the people of Palestine implemented by the founders and perpetuators of your
own state and the genocidal policies against the indigenous North Americans
implemented by the founders and perpetuators of the U. S. A.
[There's even more to the parallel, however. Your state couldn't have been
born, if it had not been for the U. S. A., while the U. S. A. could not have
been born, if it had not been for the rest of Europe. Both states stole the
lands of other (indigenous) peoples ONLY because they had the backing of
European rulers as vile as (viler than?) the actual murderers, rapists and
pillagers who performed the dirty work.]

Now, here's a history lesson for you, concerning "Thanksgiving":

From Tiokasin Ghost Horse

Thanksgiving: A Day Of Infamy

Millions of Americans celebrate Thanksgiving. They gather to feast and most are
unaware of the true history of the holiday. America's schools have taught that
the coming of the Pilgrims made everyone happy. In reality, it was the
beginning of the longest war in the U.S. -- the extermination of the indigenous
peoples. Thanksgiving Day was first proclaimed by the governor of the
Massachuesetts Bay Colony in 1637 to commemorate the massacre of 700 men, women
and children who were celebrating their annual Green Corn Dance in their own
house. Gathered at this place, they were attacked by mercenaries, English and
Dutch. The Pequots were ordered from the building and as they came forth they
were killed with guns, swords, cannons and torches. The rest were burned alive
in the building. The very next day, the governor proclaimed a holiday and feast
to "give thanks" for the massacre. For the next 100 years, a governor would
ordain a day to honor a bloody victory, thanking God the "battle" had been won.

"Where White Men Fear To Tread", R.Means 1995
"Facing West: The Metaphysics of Indian Hating and Empire Building", R.Drinnon
1990

(Is it not ironic that the Mashantucket Pequot Nation sponsors the Foxwoods
Open every year? Or weren't you aware of the sponsors of that tournament?)

Aren't you residing on Indian land yourself? Aren't you perpetuating the
crimes of your forefathers by doing so? Why not give it back (if it's
yours now) or fight to have it returned (if not) and move out of America?
Aviv

Jerome Bibuld wrote:

Dear Mr. Dilucente,

Heil Dubya!

There's more than a little difference between swindling a people out of its
land -- which CAN'T be done -- and murdering, pillaging and raping
(committing
genocide) to STEAL the land.



Let us not forget why we celebrate Thanksgiving:

We made the Native Americans cook for us and then we swindled them out of
their
land.

As Martha Stewart might say:

"Social Darwinism, it's a good thing."


Tony D.




Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgan die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristallnacht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

Fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
(I go on trial at 77 Lexington Avenue, White Plains, NY, at 1400 hours, 15
December, for refusing to move away from a demonstration site -- against the
U.
S. invasion of Iraq -- when ordered by a member of the Army of Occupation of
Westchester County, despite the fact that the demonstrators had a "permit"
to
do exactly what I was doing, at the time and place I was doing it. My son,
Douglass, has coined a lovely and apt phrase that I am proud to use:
HYPOCRISY,
NOT DEMOCRACY!)

gens una sumus

Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgan die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristallnacht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

No longer fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
(I go on trial at 77 Lexington Avenue, White Plains, NY, at 1400 hours, 15
December, for refusing to move away from a demonstration site -- against the U.
S. invasion of Iraq -- when ordered by a member of the Army of Occupation of
Westchester County, despite the fact that the demonstrators had a "permit" to
do exactly what I was doing, at the time and place I was doing it. My son,
Douglass, has coined a lovely and apt phrase that I am proud to use: HYPOCRISY,
NOT DEMOCRACY!)

gens una sumus

Jerome,


Jerome Bibuld wrote:

Dear Aviv,

Heil Dubya!

I have not wished to enter into public -- or private -- battles with you, Aviv,
because I do not blame you for the land of your birth. However, you have
baited me, both publicly and privately over that land of your birth, so, at
last I must respond. I see that the "history" taught in Zionist Occupied
Palestined is similar to the "history" taught in the United States: pure myth,
aimed at glorifying the current rulers.


What does that have to do with what I asked you? You always seem
unpleased to the extreme with your country's past and present, its
people, laws and leaders. I thought maybe to make a point you'd move to
Cuba, for example. Away from any stolen Indian land and all the
injustices you so hate here.

I am not sure what you meant by "Zionist occupied Palestine". If you
meant the occupied territories I will remind you that Arafat REFUSED an
offer to getting back 95%(!) of the land made by Barak at Camp David.
Once a terrorist always a terrorist who couldn't and wouldn't ever get
used to his status change to being the president of his people.
Nowadays, even in the Arab world leaders know and agree he is the
problem - case in point is Mubarak, the Egyptian president who in
private talks addresses Arafat in expletives. It is only the oriental
honor nonsense and the black or white traditional pride that doesn't let
them speak openly on ousting him.

When you condemned Edward Said out of hand, at the time of his death, I'm sure
you were unaware that one of his dearest friends -- who organized and conducted
a concert in his honor shortly after Dr. Said's death -- was "Israeli" Daniel
Barenboim. Read some of Dr. Said's work and you MIGHT get a glimpse of why
Barenboim revered him so greatly. Or are you afraid to read the work of Dr.
Said, because you might learn parallel between the genocidal policies against
the people of Palestine implemented by the founders and perpetuators of your
own state and the genocidal policies against the indigenous North Americans
implemented by the founders and perpetuators of the U. S. A.
[There's even more to the parallel, however. Your state couldn't have been
born, if it had not been for the U. S. A., while the U. S. A. could not have
been born, if it had not been for the rest of Europe. Both states stole the
lands of other (indigenous) peoples ONLY because they had the backing of
European rulers as vile as (viler than?) the actual murderers, rapists and
pillagers who performed the dirty work.]


Dr. Said was a provocateur who even objected to the Oslo accords! He did
not recognize the right of Israel to exist but as a country for both
Jews and Palestinians on its entire land. With all his education and
fame he only saw one side of the conflict and perpetuated it unfairly
thus hindering chances for peace. I am rolling my eyes to your saying
that because he 'had an Israeli friend' in Daniel Barenboim I should
have revered him. Uri Avneri, the Ex Knesset member and known leftist,
visited Arafat for solidarity recently. Am I now to legitimize Arafat
because of it?

Now, please get your history straight: Jews lived in Israel well before
it was an independent state. My grandfather was born there under the
Ottoman rule, for example. Over the years under Ottoman and later
British rule too, large migrations of Jews occurred. They often settled
in barren land, what land did they steal?! In 1948 Israel was declared a
state, after a UN vote and recognized as a Jewish state, within days it
was attacked by the armies of its arab neighbors. It took more than the
war of independence for the arab world to understand Israel is here to
stay. Live with it too. I am also for a separate, Palestinian state in
the now occupied territories, hopefully soon enough Arafat will meet his
maker and there will be someone mandated by the Palestinian people to
reach some agreements.

Similarly no longer fraternally,
Aviv

Now, here's a history lesson for you, concerning "Thanksgiving":

From Tiokasin Ghost Horse

Thanksgiving: A Day Of Infamy

Millions of Americans celebrate Thanksgiving. They gather to feast and most are
unaware of the true history of the holiday. America's schools have taught that
the coming of the Pilgrims made everyone happy. In reality, it was the
beginning of the longest war in the U.S. -- the extermination of the indigenous
peoples. Thanksgiving Day was first proclaimed by the governor of the
Massachuesetts Bay Colony in 1637 to commemorate the massacre of 700 men, women
and children who were celebrating their annual Green Corn Dance in their own
house. Gathered at this place, they were attacked by mercenaries, English and
Dutch. The Pequots were ordered from the building and as they came forth they
were killed with guns, swords, cannons and torches. The rest were burned alive
in the building. The very next day, the governor proclaimed a holiday and feast
to "give thanks" for the massacre. For the next 100 years, a governor would
ordain a day to honor a bloody victory, thanking God the "battle" had been won.

"Where White Men Fear To Tread", R.Means 1995
"Facing West: The Metaphysics of Indian Hating and Empire Building", R.Drinnon
1990

(Is it not ironic that the Mashantucket Pequot Nation sponsors the Foxwoods
Open every year? Or weren't you aware of the sponsors of that tournament?)



Aren't you residing on Indian land yourself? Aren't you perpetuating the
crimes of your forefathers by doing so? Why not give it back (if it's
yours now) or fight to have it returned (if not) and move out of America?
Aviv

Jerome Bibuld wrote:



Dear Mr. Dilucente,

Heil Dubya!

There's more than a little difference between swindling a people out of its
land -- which CAN'T be done -- and murdering, pillaging and raping


(committing


genocide) to STEAL the land.





Let us not forget why we celebrate Thanksgiving:

We made the Native Americans cook for us and then we swindled them out of
their
land.

As Martha Stewart might say:

"Social Darwinism, it's a good thing."


Tony D.





Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgan die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristallnacht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

Fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
(I go on trial at 77 Lexington Avenue, White Plains, NY, at 1400 hours, 15
December, for refusing to move away from a demonstration site -- against the


U.


S. invasion of Iraq -- when ordered by a member of the Army of Occupation of
Westchester County, despite the fact that the demonstrators had a "permit"


to


do exactly what I was doing, at the time and place I was doing it. My son,
Douglass, has coined a lovely and apt phrase that I am proud to use:


HYPOCRISY,


NOT DEMOCRACY!)

gens una sumus



Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgan die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka uber Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristallnacht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

No longer fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
(I go on trial at 77 Lexington Avenue, White Plains, NY, at 1400 hours, 15
December, for refusing to move away from a demonstration site -- against the U.
S. invasion of Iraq -- when ordered by a member of the Army of Occupation of
Westchester County, despite the fact that the demonstrators had a "permit" to
do exactly what I was doing, at the time and place I was doing it. My son,
Douglass, has coined a lovely and apt phrase that I am proud to use: HYPOCRISY,
NOT DEMOCRACY!)

gens una sumus