K-State 35 OU the greatest tema in history, 7. Nuff said.

Now we'll find out if OU losing in embarrassing fashion to a 3 loss team
in the league championship leads to the BCS matching up LSU and USC or
whether OU gets a free pass into the game despite it's pathetic and
embarrassing performance this evening.

Best Regards,

Bruce

"Bruce Draney" wrote
K-State 35 OU the greatest tema in history, 7. Nuff said.

Now we'll find out if OU losing in embarrassing fashion to a 3 loss team
in the league championship leads to the BCS matching up LSU and USC or
whether OU gets a free pass into the game despite it's pathetic and
embarrassing performance this evening.


Sigh.

OK, I've been thinking about what to say since about the start of the 2nd quarter. Sigh.

For what it's worth, I stand by my statement that the team I saw play this year was the best college football team I have ever seen.
I just wish that team had taken the field tonight. LOL!

Big Kudos to Kansas State, they deserve every accolade placed upon them for this "slaughter," the definition given by Mr. Draney
applying completely: Total Dominance. When Kejuan ripped up the sidelines for the first touchdown, we thought, yeah, they're gonna
let the cat out of the bag. But he got about 5 more yards the whole game. Even at 21-7, the game was palpable, and winnable, but
it got out of hand quickly. Seemed like everyone was expecting KSU to lay down. LOL! Awesome defense, and a job well done.

Ell Roberson has been a quality player throughout his college career, and a pain in our sides as well. And Sproles looked like he
was ducking into tunnels and coming out the other side. Awesome performances.

I won't use any excuses for Jason White. If he was hurt, he deserves credit for giving his all. If he wasn't hurt, well I guess it
is just this kind of performance that Mr. Draney predicted was possible. His passes all year were crisp, and to the exact spot he
needed them to be. Tonight he was off -- way off. I think I give more credit to KSU for this though, as he didn't look comfortable
at all back there.

I told my father-in-law before the game that the KSU offense may score 24-28 points, all we had to do was score more than them.
Little did I know that we wouldn't score at ALL for 56 minutes or so. Sigh.

When I was writing my opinion of the Sooners over the past few days, I wondered to myself if I would be having a meal on my words.
Obviously, I didn't think so. I don't believe in jinxes, so that doesn't bother me, and I am man enough to admit that my opinions
were, if not wrong, then severely askew. Sigh.

Anybody got some ketchup?

REC, aka sandirhodes

sandirhodes wrote:

"Bruce Draney" wrote
K-State 35 OU the greatest tema in history, 7. Nuff said.

Now we'll find out if OU losing in embarrassing fashion to a 3 loss team
in the league championship leads to the BCS matching up LSU and USC or
whether OU gets a free pass into the game despite it's pathetic and
embarrassing performance this evening.


Sigh.

OK, I've been thinking about what to say since about the start of the 2nd quarter. Sigh.

For what it's worth, I stand by my statement that the team I saw play this year was the best college football team I have ever seen.
I just wish that team had taken the field tonight. LOL!

Big Kudos to Kansas State, they deserve every accolade placed upon them for this "slaughter," the definition given by Mr. Draney
applying completely: Total Dominance. When Kejuan ripped up the sidelines for the first touchdown, we thought, yeah, they're gonna
let the cat out of the bag. But he got about 5 more yards the whole game. Even at 21-7, the game was palpable, and winnable, but
it got out of hand quickly. Seemed like everyone was expecting KSU to lay down. LOL! Awesome defense, and a job well done.

Ell Roberson has been a quality player throughout his college career, and a pain in our sides as well. And Sproles looked like he
was ducking into tunnels and coming out the other side. Awesome performances.

I won't use any excuses for Jason White. If he was hurt, he deserves credit for giving his all. If he wasn't hurt, well I guess it
is just this kind of performance that Mr. Draney predicted was possible. His passes all year were crisp, and to the exact spot he
needed them to be. Tonight he was off -- way off. I think I give more credit to KSU for this though, as he didn't look comfortable
at all back there.

I told my father-in-law before the game that the KSU offense may score 24-28 points, all we had to do was score more than them.
Little did I know that we wouldn't score at ALL for 56 minutes or so. Sigh.

When I was writing my opinion of the Sooners over the past few days, I wondered to myself if I would be having a meal on my words.
Obviously, I didn't think so. I don't believe in jinxes, so that doesn't bother me, and I am man enough to admit that my opinions
were, if not wrong, then severely askew. Sigh.

Anybody got some ketchup?

REC, aka sandirhodes

That's okay. Are you intending to fire coach Stoops by the way for
losing to K-State and possibly costing OU a National Championship? If
so, then your program may indeed mirror the northern "Big Red", which
fired its coach for only winning 9 and possibly 10 games with the same
players that went 7-7 last year.

I wonder if Texas will fire Mack Brown for not getting into the BCS?
Maybe K-State will fire Bill Snyder for losing three games and if he
loses the bowl game, another poor performance in a bowl.

What is hilarious but sad, is that there has been NO one stepping
forward to even express an interest in NU. They can see what players
are there next year, who's coming back, a state now bitterly divided by
the actions of its Athletic Director and a group of a few boosters who
appear to want a league championship, a national championship and at
least 11-13 wins every season or you'll be fired just like Solich was.
I noticed that Spurrier quickly nixed the possibility that he would ever
come to Nebraska, even if he gets axed by the Redskins.

In fairness to OU, they had a very good team that might still get a
shot and win the National Championship, but they walked into an
emotional/psychological minefield that happens frequently in sports.
The coach probably couldn't prevent it, but it's a good idea not to let
the kids read their own press clippings, as people in the press begin to
think the possibility of losing or playing poorly because of past
performance does not exist. I cried for many years over the 1983
"Greatest team in history" that lost to Kosar and the Miami Hurricanes,
even though it had Irving Fryar, Turner Gill and Mike Rozier on it. It
had slaughtered everyone except Oklahoma State all year long, because of
it's offensive power, but it probably would have won the game had the
overtime rules existed. Instead Osborne rejected playing for a tie, and
Gill's 2 point conversion was broken up. Miami got the onside kick and
ran out the clock.

K-State was a hot team that had been on a roll since losing 3 straight
back in October. With Roberson healthy they and in the groove they can
(and did) beat everone they played in convincing fashion.

I'd still rather be OU this year than NU.

Best Regards,

Bruce

Jason White was healthy, therefore it was the home field advantage.
Plus, the Wildcats prepared for the game. They didn't like what
happened to OSU. IMO, the Sooners didn't have to run up the score.

Lance

"sandirhodes" wrote in message news:m5AAb.32343$Gj2.26667@okepread01...
"Bruce Draney" wrote
K-State 35 OU the greatest tema in history, 7. Nuff said.

Now we'll find out if OU losing in embarrassing fashion to a 3 loss team
in the league championship leads to the BCS matching up LSU and USC or
whether OU gets a free pass into the game despite it's pathetic and
embarrassing performance this evening.


Sigh.

OK, I've been thinking about what to say since about the start of the 2nd quarter. Sigh.

For what it's worth, I stand by my statement that the team I saw play this year was the best college football team I have ever seen.
I just wish that team had taken the field tonight. LOL!

Big Kudos to Kansas State, they deserve every accolade placed upon them for this "slaughter," the definition given by Mr. Draney
applying completely: Total Dominance. When Kejuan ripped up the sidelines for the first touchdown, we thought, yeah, they're gonna
let the cat out of the bag. But he got about 5 more yards the whole game. Even at 21-7, the game was palpable, and winnable, but
it got out of hand quickly. Seemed like everyone was expecting KSU to lay down. LOL! Awesome defense, and a job well done.

Ell Roberson has been a quality player throughout his college career, and a pain in our sides as well. And Sproles looked like he
was ducking into tunnels and coming out the other side. Awesome performances.

I won't use any excuses for Jason White. If he was hurt, he deserves credit for giving his all. If he wasn't hurt, well I guess it
is just this kind of performance that Mr. Draney predicted was possible. His passes all year were crisp, and to the exact spot he
needed them to be. Tonight he was off -- way off. I think I give more credit to KSU for this though, as he didn't look comfortable
at all back there.

I told my father-in-law before the game that the KSU offense may score 24-28 points, all we had to do was score more than them.
Little did I know that we wouldn't score at ALL for 56 minutes or so. Sigh.

When I was writing my opinion of the Sooners over the past few days, I wondered to myself if I would be having a meal on my words.
Obviously, I didn't think so. I don't believe in jinxes, so that doesn't bother me, and I am man enough to admit that my opinions
were, if not wrong, then severely askew. Sigh.

Anybody got some ketchup?

REC, aka sandirhodes

"Bruce Draney" wrote

Are you intending to fire coach Stoops by the way for
losing to K-State and possibly costing OU a National Championship?

LOL! Funny stuff.

I wonder if Texas will fire Mack Brown for not getting into the BCS?
Maybe K-State will fire Bill Snyder for losing three games and if he
loses the bowl game, another poor performance in a bowl.

He called it the greatest win in his career.

What is hilarious but sad, is that there has been NO one stepping
forward to even express an interest in NU. They can see what players
are there next year, who's coming back, a state now bitterly divided by
the actions of its Athletic Director and a group of a few boosters who
appear to want a league championship, a national championship and at
least 11-13 wins every season or you'll be fired just like Solich was.
I noticed that Spurrier quickly nixed the possibility that he would ever
come to Nebraska, even if he gets axed by the Redskins.

I think this game gave Solich a quiet smile. Maybe that loss wasn't such an upset as the bosses thought.

In fairness to OU, they had a very good team that might still get a
shot and win the National Championship, but they walked into an
emotional/psychological minefield that happens frequently in sports.
The coach probably couldn't prevent it, but it's a good idea not to let
the kids read their own press clippings, as people in the press begin to
think the possibility of losing or playing poorly because of past
performance does not exist.

Sure looked that way. They seemed to be thinking that sooner or later we'll make the big play. When later came around, it was too
late.

I cried for many years over the 1983
"Greatest team in history" that lost to Kosar and the Miami Hurricanes,
even though it had Irving Fryar, Turner Gill and Mike Rozier on it. It
had slaughtered everyone except Oklahoma State all year long, because of
it's offensive power, but it probably would have won the game had the
overtime rules existed. Instead Osborne rejected playing for a tie, and
Gill's 2 point conversion was broken up. Miami got the onside kick and
ran out the clock.

Awesome game, and 2 awesome teams.

Well, guess we'll find out tonight what happens...

REC

Liam Too wrote:

Jason White was healthy, therefore it was the home field advantage.
Plus, the Wildcats prepared for the game. They didn't like what
happened to OSU. IMO, the Sooners didn't have to run up the score.

Lance


Pardon me, but Kansas City is not where K-State is located. I'm not
certain how far away it is, but I believe it's more than 70 miles. Yes
it is closer to Manhattan than it is to Norman, but give me a break.
Home field advantage implies that this was a decisive factor in a game
that was totally and completely dominated in every phase of the game by
the 2 digit underdog North Division champions.

And what the hell does "the wildcats prepared for the game" mean? The
implication is that OU did not prepare for the game, even though a
league championship and a possible national championship was riding on
the outcome? I agree with you that OU looked flat. They were
outplayed, outcoached and embarrassed. They read their own press
clippings a little too much I suspect. I said last week that OU had
better watch out for K-State and boy did I get it right. They fell into
the oldest trap in the book and that is that the game is played on the
field and not by statistical comparisons of opponents and victory
margins.

OU has NO excuses. Their defense played K-State no better than
Nebraska's defense did. White looked terrible even before he was hurt.
A team like OU that is supposedly loaded with all conference, all
American and first round NFL draftees shouldn't be stomped on on
national television by a three loss team, unless it is just completely
outplayed and outcoached which is what happened to Oklahoma.

I don't like Bill Snyder, but he is definitely a very good coach, who
knows how to put his players in the best type of game plan to win. The
knock on K-State continues to be that Snyder will not schedule any tough
out of conference games, to help pad K-State's record, but clearly
K-State's program has come of age and has become a force in the Big 12
in football. This will hopefully shut people up for another year who
claim the South Division is much stronger than the North Division.

Best Regards,

Bruce

"Bruce Draney" wrote

Liam Too wrote:
Jason White was healthy, ...

I agree with you that OU looked flat. They were
outplayed, outcoached and embarrassed...

OU has NO excuses. Their defense played K-State no better than
Nebraska's defense did. White looked terrible even before he was hurt.
A team like OU that is supposedly loaded with all conference, all
American and first round NFL draftees shouldn't be stomped on on
national television by a three loss team, unless it is just completely
outplayed and outcoached which is what happened to Oklahoma...


Watched the coach's replay show tonight. Stoops definitely has a lot of class, but we already knew that. Jason got hurt on the
interception in the endzone -- his wrist. Said it shook him up inside, too. Definitely the game plan for KSU.

Stats through about the 3rd quarter were even, except score. Big plays cost OU the game. Hadn't given up any all year, and gave up
four huge ones in this game, one of which should have been stopped for a loss, another which was a suspect incidental contact
(Stoops: Those things happen), but the screen pass for TD and INT for TD were pretty (for KSU fans). DiCarlo had missed only 1 FG
all year, but missed two in this game.

Again, won't make excuses and can't take anything away from KSU -- they played a helluva game, and deserved the victory. But I
suggest LSU be VERY careful. LOL!

Again, won't make excuses and can't take anything away from KSU -- they
played a helluva game, and deserved the victory. But I
suggest LSU be VERY careful. LOL!

So let's suppose Oklahoma wins.
Are they the national champion?

Would we ever have had a national champion who lost their conference
championship or any game by 28 points?

If Oklahoma wins the BCS, they will take their place as one of the worst
national champions of all time.

Richard Peterson

Here in this neck of the woods, any team that has Kansas in it is the
favorite. A lot of fans drove from Manhattan, KS, in addition to the
natives around here.

The Wildcats were up in the ratings from the beginning so they are a
force to be reckoned with as well, so I agree, they didn't have to
prepare much, just be themselves.

The Sooners are a great team of course and perhaps, they'll win it all
in the Sugar Bowl against LSU, however, the Trojans have a right to
make a claim as well, because traditionally, the Rose Bowl was the
biggest of them all.

Lance


Bruce Draney wrote in message ...
Liam Too wrote:

Jason White was healthy, therefore it was the home field advantage.
Plus, the Wildcats prepared for the game. They didn't like what
happened to OSU. IMO, the Sooners didn't have to run up the score.

Lance


Pardon me, but Kansas City is not where K-State is located. I'm not
certain how far away it is, but I believe it's more than 70 miles. Yes
it is closer to Manhattan than it is to Norman, but give me a break.
Home field advantage implies that this was a decisive factor in a game
that was totally and completely dominated in every phase of the game by
the 2 digit underdog North Division champions.

And what the hell does "the wildcats prepared for the game" mean? The
implication is that OU did not prepare for the game, even though a
league championship and a possible national championship was riding on
the outcome? I agree with you that OU looked flat. They were
outplayed, outcoached and embarrassed. They read their own press
clippings a little too much I suspect. I said last week that OU had
better watch out for K-State and boy did I get it right. They fell into
the oldest trap in the book and that is that the game is played on the
field and not by statistical comparisons of opponents and victory
margins.

OU has NO excuses. Their defense played K-State no better than
Nebraska's defense did. White looked terrible even before he was hurt.
A team like OU that is supposedly loaded with all conference, all
American and first round NFL draftees shouldn't be stomped on on
national television by a three loss team, unless it is just completely
outplayed and outcoached which is what happened to Oklahoma.

I don't like Bill Snyder, but he is definitely a very good coach, who
knows how to put his players in the best type of game plan to win. The
knock on K-State continues to be that Snyder will not schedule any tough
out of conference games, to help pad K-State's record, but clearly
K-State's program has come of age and has become a force in the Big 12
in football. This will hopefully shut people up for another year who
claim the South Division is much stronger than the North Division.

Best Regards,

Bruce

"sandirhodes" wrote in message news:yuVAb.34516$Gj2.9580@okepread01...
"Bruce Draney" wrote

Liam Too wrote:
Jason White was healthy, ...

I agree with you that OU looked flat. They were
outplayed, outcoached and embarrassed...

OU has NO excuses. Their defense played K-State no better than
Nebraska's defense did. White looked terrible even before he was hurt.
A team like OU that is supposedly loaded with all conference, all
American and first round NFL draftees shouldn't be stomped on on
national television by a three loss team, unless it is just completely
outplayed and outcoached which is what happened to Oklahoma...


Watched the coach's replay show tonight. Stoops definitely has a lot of class, but we already knew that. Jason got hurt on the
interception in the endzone -- his wrist. Said it shook him up inside, too. Definitely the game plan for KSU.

Stats through about the 3rd quarter were even, except score. Big plays cost OU the game. Hadn't given up any all year, and gave up
four huge ones in this game, one of which should have been stopped for a loss, another which was a suspect incidental contact
(Stoops: Those things happen), but the screen pass for TD and INT for TD were pretty (for KSU fans). DiCarlo had missed only 1 FG
all year, but missed two in this game.

Again, won't make excuses and can't take anything away from KSU -- they played a helluva game, and deserved the victory. But I
suggest LSU be VERY careful. LOL!

I was hoping for a more exciting match up against USC though.