(Miriling) writes:
If, in the interview, he says his name is Anand Vishwanathan, is he
saying in effect that he is Anand, son of Vishwanathan?

Yes.

And if he has only one name, shouldn't he be identified in the chess
world, by FIDE and others as simply Anand? Nothing more, nothing
less. Isn't it time to get rid of "Vishy"?

Vishy is a nickname that other chessplayers gave him. He's ok with it.

On 10 Jan 2004 03:05:05 GMT, eepmeep (John
Fernandez) wrote:

Same with Chinese names also - I belive Japanese switched their "official"
names to the "Western" standard.

John Fernandez

If you are referring to family name last, you are mistaken.

For example, the Japanese call the wife of John Lennon Ono Yoko, not
Yoko Ono.

Only when talking to us do they reverse the names.

Sam Sloan

Subject: Anand reveals real full name in interview
From: (Sam Sloan)
Date: 1/10/2004 5:34 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 10 Jan 2004 03:05:05 GMT, eepmeep (John
Fernandez) wrote:

Same with Chinese names also - I belive Japanese switched their "official"
names to the "Western" standard.

John Fernandez

If you are referring to family name last, you are mistaken.

For example, the Japanese call the wife of John Lennon Ono Yoko, not
Yoko Ono.

Only when talking to us do they reverse the names.

Sam Sloan

There was a news article some time ago back on the topic, about the struggle to
change, not to change or something.

http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2...15/fe11-2.html

John Fernandez

Paul Rubin wrote in
message ...
(Miriling) writes:
If, in the interview, he says his name is Anand Vishwanathan,
is he saying in effect that he is Anand, son of Vishwanathan?

Yes.

And if he has only one name, shouldn't he be identified in the chess
world, by FIDE and others as simply Anand? Nothing more, nothing less.
Isn't it time to get rid of "Vishy"?

Vishy is a nickname that other chessplayers gave him. He's ok with it.

As far as I know, Garry Kasparov (formerly 'Weinstein') has not objected
to the usage of his nickname of 'Gazza'.

--Nick

Paul Rubin wrote in
message ...
(Miriling) writes:
If, in the interview, he says his name is Anand Vishwanathan,
is he saying in effect that he is Anand, son of Vishwanathan?

Yes.

And if he has only one name, shouldn't he be identified in the chess
world, by FIDE and others as simply Anand? Nothing more, nothing less.
Isn't it time to get rid of "Vishy"?

Vishy is a nickname that other chessplayers gave him. He's ok with it.

As far as I know, Garry Kasparov (formerly 'Weinstein') has not objected
to the usage of his nickname of 'Gazza'.

--Nick

Paul Rubin wrote in message ...
(Miriling) writes:
If, in the interview, he says his name is Anand Vishwanathan, is he
saying in effect that he is Anand, son of Vishwanathan?

Yes.

And if he has only one name, shouldn't he be identified in the chess
world, by FIDE and others as simply Anand? Nothing more, nothing less.
Isn't it time to get rid of "Vishy"?

Vishy is a nickname that other chessplayers gave him. He's ok with it.

As far as I know, Garry Kasparov (formerly 'Weinstein') has not objected
to the usage of his nickname as 'Gazza'.

--Nick

eepmeep (John Fernandez) wrote in
message ...
Same with Chinese names also - I belive Japanese switched their
"official" names to the "Western" standard.

Dear Mr. Fernandez,

As far as I can tell, your statement might show some misunderstanding.

In Japanese publications, a Japanese name is written with the family name
preceding the given name (e.g. 'Kurosawa Akira').
In most (though not all) Western publications, a Japanese name is written
with the given name preceding the family name (e.g. 'Akira Kurosawa').

According to your cited article (elsewhere in this thread), Japan's Council
on National Language has been considering requesting that all Western
publications henceforth should conform to the Japanese convention of writing
Japanese names with the family name preceding the given name (e.g. 'Kurosawa
Akira' should become the accepted usage everywhere). That convention already
has been observed by some Western academic publications in writing Japanese
names.

--Nick

Do you suppose if we all chipped in we could buy Jerry a new sig? It becomes
difficult to treat postings on genteel matters of taste seriously when they
continue to appear under a header that insinuates the US President is a nazi,
and that makes the poster look like an effin' moron (MO ron).



In article , Jerome Bibuld wrote:
Heil Dubya!

As much as I detest Kasparov, he is ENTITLED to the name he chooses and that is
KASPAROV (kas PAR off), not Weinstein (VAIN shtain). It shows contempt of his
humanity (as opposed to contempt of his personality) to insist on Weinstein.
As a "joke", the insistence on Weinstein is in abominable (humorous) taste.

"Kevin Croxen" wrote
Miriling wrote:
The No. 3-ranked player in the world, in an interview in The Indian
Express,
reveals that his real name is Anand Krishnamurthy and not Vishwanathan
Anand or
"Vishy" Anand, as he is known in the chess world. Anand says that his
father's
name is Vishwanathan Krishnamurthy.
Check out the full interview, which is available courtesy of
http://chessbase.com

George Mirijanian


Puts the 1995 Weinstein-Krishnamurthy World Championship match in a whole
new
perspective. The only WC match where none of the competitors used their
real
names.

Kramnik-Weinstein as well, per Andy Soltis


Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka über Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristallnacht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

Fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
[I did not go on trial on 5 January, for refusing to move away from a
demonstration site -- against the U. S. invasion of Iraq -- when ordered by a
member of the Army of Occupation of Westchester County, despite the fact that
the demonstrators had a "permit" to do exactly what I was doing, at the time
and place I was doing it. Instead the "system" copped out by offering an ACD
(Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal). The ACD effectively prevents suit
for false arrest. Twice, the U. S. INjustice system had postponed trial, in a
case which should have been dismissed out of hand. But, of course, that's part
of the system. This took up MY time -- and that of my lawyer, whose time is
worth more than I PAID him. Meanwhile, the judges, assistant district
attorneys, court clerks, bailiffs, stenotypists and other apparatchniks were
being paid by MY taxes and the taxes of other citizens and subjects of the
United States. My son, Douglass, has coined an apt phrase that I am proud to
use: HYPOCRISY, NOT DEMOCRACY!]
gens una sumus

In article , Nick wrote:
eepmeep (John Fernandez) wrote in
message ...
Same with Chinese names also - I belive Japanese switched their
"official" names to the "Western" standard.

Dear Mr. Fernandez,

As far as I can tell, your statement might show some misunderstanding.

In Japanese publications, a Japanese name is written with the family name
preceding the given name (e.g. 'Kurosawa Akira').
In most (though not all) Western publications, a Japanese name is written
with the given name preceding the family name (e.g. 'Akira Kurosawa').

According to your cited article (elsewhere in this thread), Japan's Council
on National Language has been considering requesting that all Western
publications henceforth should conform to the Japanese convention of writing
Japanese names with the family name preceding the given name (e.g. 'Kurosawa
Akira' should become the accepted usage everywhere). That convention already
has been observed by some Western academic publications in writing Japanese
names.

--Nick

I wonder, if we begin to invert Japanese and Chinese names in
English-language publications as a regular practice, in accordance with the
usage in those languages, whether we'll begin to do the same with Hungarian
names, e.g. Acs Peter, Polgar Judit, Maroczy Geza, etc., where the Western
European usage has been established in English for considerably longer than
it has for East Asian names.

--Kevin

Croxen,

Heil Dubya!

I DON'T "insinuate" that "the US President is a nazi" (sic). I state in so
many words that he and every member of his government, as well as most citizens
of his state -- is a fascist. I merely use the Nazi slogans and language, to
stress this position and because I believe that many persons today either
remember the events of the 1930s and 1940s or UNDERSTAND that part of the
history of Europe.

Obviously, you, a denizen of Harvard University, cannot conceive of humanity or
of human history. But that would be your problem, if you tried to attain to
humanity, despite the Harvard handicap. It certainly is not mine.

Do you suppose if we all chipped in we could buy Jerry a new sig? It becomes
difficult to treat postings on genteel matters of taste seriously when they
continue to appear under a header that insinuates the US President is a nazi,
and that makes the poster look like an effin' moron (MO ron).



In article , Jerome Bibuld
wrote:
Heil Dubya!

As much as I detest Kasparov, he is ENTITLED to the name he chooses and
that is
KASPAROV (kas PAR off), not Weinstein (VAIN shtain). It shows contempt of
his
humanity (as opposed to contempt of his personality) to insist on
Weinstein.
As a "joke", the insistence on Weinstein is in abominable (humorous) taste.

"Kevin Croxen" wrote
Miriling wrote:
The No. 3-ranked player in the world, in an interview in The Indian
Express,
reveals that his real name is Anand Krishnamurthy and not Vishwanathan
Anand or
"Vishy" Anand, as he is known in the chess world. Anand says that his
father's
name is Vishwanathan Krishnamurthy.
Check out the full interview, which is available courtesy of
http://chessbase.com

George Mirijanian


Puts the 1995 Weinstein-Krishnamurthy World Championship match in a whole
new
perspective. The only WC match where none of the competitors used their
real
names.

Kramnik-Weinstein as well, per Andy Soltis


Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka über Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristallnacht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

Fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
[I did not go on trial on 5 January, for refusing to move away from a
demonstration site -- against the U. S. invasion of Iraq -- when ordered by
a
member of the Army of Occupation of Westchester County, despite the fact
that
the demonstrators had a "permit" to do exactly what I was doing, at the
time
and place I was doing it. Instead the "system" copped out by offering an
ACD
(Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal). The ACD effectively prevents
suit
for false arrest. Twice, the U. S. INjustice system had postponed trial,
in a
case which should have been dismissed out of hand. But, of course, that's
part
of the system. This took up MY time -- and that of my lawyer, whose time
is
worth more than I PAID him. Meanwhile, the judges, assistant district
attorneys, court clerks, bailiffs, stenotypists and other apparatchniks
were
being paid by MY taxes and the taxes of other citizens and subjects of the
United States. My son, Douglass, has coined an apt phrase that I am proud
to
use: HYPOCRISY, NOT DEMOCRACY!]
gens una sumus


Heute Uhmuhrikkka, Afghanistan und Irak. Morgen die ganze Welt!

Uhmuhrikkka, Uhmuhrikkka über Alles!

(Was 11 September 2001 Kristallnacht or the date of the Reichstag fire?)

Not in the least fraternally,

Jerome Bibuld
[I did not go on trial on 5 January, for refusing to move away from a
demonstration site -- against the U. S. invasion of Iraq -- when ordered by a
member of the Army of Occupation of Westchester County, despite the fact that
the demonstrators had a "permit" to do exactly what I was doing, at the time
and place I was doing it. Instead the "system" copped out by offering an ACD
(Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal). The ACD effectively prevents suit
for false arrest. Twice, the U. S. INjustice system had postponed trial, in a
case which should have been dismissed out of hand. But, of course, that's part
of the system. This took up MY time -- and that of my lawyer, whose time is
worth more than I PAID him. Meanwhile, the judges, assistant district
attorneys, court clerks, bailiffs, stenotypists and other apparatchniks were
being paid by MY taxes and the taxes of other citizens and subjects of the
United States. My son, Douglass, has coined an apt phrase that I am proud to
use: HYPOCRISY, NOT DEMOCRACY!]
gens una sumus