After following Goran's posts for several months and reading his scathing,
sarcastic comments to members of the group including myself, I was curious.
What makes a person like this resort to these types of hateful posts? We all
grew up with people like Goran Tomic. He was the schoolyard bully. In
college he was the obnoxious guy in the corner of a party who constantly
derides others. As an adult, he is the one who pretends to join a newsgroup
for the information and then proceeds to make nasty, arrogant posts that
attempt to show how intelligent he is and how ignorant, barbaric, and
pathetic others are. This type of person is fascinating. What are his
motives? Why does he persist in behaving this way?

Curious, I did a little internet background digging on Mr. Tomic to
hopefully find the answers to the above questions. Here is what I found:
1) Mr. Tomic does indeed play chess. In fact, he is a very good player and I
enjoyed playing over a couple of his published games.
2) Mr. Tomic lives in a country where the pleasant pasttime of ethnic hatred
has been elevated almost to an artform. This could be relevant to the
Fischer thread.
3) Mr. Tomic is roughly the equivalent of a middle school life science
teacher. While I certainly believe he is intelligent and is in an honorable
profession, there are those who look down upon this job. I am a high school
Anatomy and Biology Honors teacher myself so I do not share this belief. It
is possible that it has a bearing upon Mr. Tomic's writings, though.
4) Mr. Tomic has been active in sports, but he is entering middle age. He is
balding and his physique is starting to show his age. This could lead to
feelings of depression or inferiority. This middle age crisis affects some
more than others. Having a wife who is also aging may increase these
feelings.

Putting all of this together I can speculate as to his motives. I suspect
that Goran Tomic has been brought up in an environment where arrogance is
the accepted norm. This arrogance that people affect usually hides deep
feelings of inferiority. The only way that a person in this position feels
good is when they succeed in making others feel inferior to themselves. Thus
the ascerbic comments concerning my I.Q. being low. This is just the last of
many comments he has made of this type in this group over the past months.
This bitter man feels threatened when he is challenged on a topic point, so
he resorts to what essentially amounts to hate-mongering and/or name calling
thinly disguised as academic discussions. I can understand the motives of
such a person, though I certainly can not condone his method of making
himself feel valued by berating others verbally. I did not stand for this
when confronting playground bullies years ago and I am not tolerating it
today. Using the internet in this way is the definition of a troll, a person
who is to be pitied more than scorned.

Though mercy is to be commended when dealing with sad situations such as
this, I just can not bring myself to face this type of garbage. I do not
wish to allow his personal problems to become my problems. I respect myself
too much for that. I joined this group to keep abreast of chess news, not to
spar with a person who has obvious personal and social disfunctions. Whether
he is trying to boost his self-esteem that is lacking from his personal life
or is acting out in the verbal equivalent of bullying indoctrinated by his
upbringing, I do not wish to participate in it. That is my right as an
individual. Therefore I have sadly and reluctantly decided to place his name
and all threads that concern him in the killfile. This is the first time I
have used the killfile in over 10 years on the internet. I wish the rest of
you luck in dealing with this poor fellow and his rants. As for me, I refuse
to play his little game. With Goran purged, I look forward to enjoying the
other posts that are actually chess related with no hidden agenda.

Sincerely,
Ken Albin

Ken, your very long analysis on the annoyance that is Goran Tomic
missed the chief point: he's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

Believe me, it explains everything that is currently troubling you.

TMB

On Mon, 3 May 2004 17:52:43 -0500, "Ken Albin" wrote:

This bitter man feels threatened when he is challenged on a topic point, so
he resorts to what essentially amounts to hate-mongering and/or name calling
thinly disguised as academic discussions.

i.e., a tomic bomb

Ken Albin" wrote in message

1) Mr. Tomic does indeed play chess. In fact, he is a very good player and
I
enjoyed playing over a couple of his published games.

Thanks for the compliments. Here are some more games I played on
chess21.com.

[Event "Ajedrez21"]
[Site "www.ajedrez21.com"]
[Date "2003.12.20"]
[White "Goran Tomic"]
[Black "adversasa"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2625"]
[BlackElo "2686"]
[TimeControl "3/0"]

1. d2-d4 c7-c5 2. d4-d5 e7-e5 3. c2-c4 d7-d6 4. Nb1-c3 Ng8-e7 5. e2-e4
Ne7-g6 6.
Ng1-f3 Bf8-e7 7. g2-g3 O-O 8. Bf1-g2 Nb8-d7 9. h2-h4 h7-h6 10. h4-h5 Ng6-h8
11.
Nf3-h4 Nd7-f6 12. Nh4-f5 Bc8xf5 13. e4xf5 Nf6-h7 14. g3-g4 Be7-g5 15. Nc3-e4
Bg5xc1 16. Qd1xc1 f7-f6 17. f2-f4 e5xf4 18. Qc1xf4 Nh8-f7 19. O-O-O Rf8-e8
20.
Rd1-e1 Qd8-d7 21. Kc1-b1 Re8-e5 22. g4-g5 Nh7xg5 23. Ne4xg5 Nf7xg5 24.
Re1xe5 d6xe5
25. Qf4-g4 a7-a6 26. Bg2-e4 b7-b5 27. Rh1-c1 Qd7-d6 28. Be4-d3 Ra8-b8 29.
b2-b3
b5xc4 30. Bd3xc4 a6-a5 31. a2-a4 Rb8-b4 32. Kb1-a2 Kg8-h7 33. Qg4-e2 Qd6-d7
34.
Rc1-g1 Kh7-h8 35. Qe2-c2 e5-e4 36. Rg1xg5 h6xg5 37. Qc2xe4 Kh8-h7 38. h5-h6
g7xh6 39. d5-d6 Kh7-g7 40. Qe4-d5 Rb4xc4 41. b3xc4 Qd7xa4 42. Ka2-b2 Qa4-d7
43.
Qd5xc5 Kg7-f7 44. Qc5-d5 Kf7-f8 45. c4-c5 Qd7-b5 46. Kb2-c2 Qb5-a4 47.
Kc2-d3
Qa4-a3 48. Kd3-c2 Qa3-a4 49. Kc2-d3 Qa4-b5 50. Kd3-c2 a5-a4 51. d6-d7 Qb5-e2
52.
Kc2-c3 Qe2-e3 53. Kc3-b4 Qe3-e1 54. Kb4xa4 Qe1-a1 55. Ka4-b5 Qa1-b2 56.
Kb5-c6
Kf8-g7 57. d7-d8=Q 1-0

[Event "Ajedrez21"]
[Site "www.ajedrez21.com"]
[Date "2003.12.17"]
[White "Goran Tomic"]
[Black "patmos"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2603"]
[BlackElo "2759"]
[TimeControl "5/0"]

1. d2-d4 Ng8-f6 2. c2-c4 e7-e6 3. Nb1-c3 Bf8-b4 4. Ng1-f3 b7-b6 5. e2-e3
Bc8-b7
6. Bf1-e2 O-O 7. O-O Bb4xc3 8. b2xc3 d7-d6 9. a2-a4 Nb8-c6 10. Bc1-a3 Nf6-d7
11.
e3-e4 e6-e5 12. c4-c5 b6xc5 13. d4-d5 Nc6-b8 14. Ra1-b1 Bb7-a6 15. Be2-b5
Ba6xb5 16. a4xb5 a7-a6 17. Qd1-a4 Nd7-b6 18. Qa4-c2 a6xb5 19. Ba3-c1 Qd8-e8
20.
Bc1-e3 Ra8-a4 21. Nf3-d2 Nb8-a6 22. f2-f4 e5xf4 23. Rf1xf4 b5-b4 24. Rb1-f1
b4xc3 25.
Qc2xc3 Nb6xd5 26. e4xd5 Ra4xf4 27. Be3xf4 1-0


[Event "Ajedrez21"]
[Site "www.ajedrez21.com"]
[Date "2003.12.17"]
[White "GranTurismo"]
[Black "Goran Tomic"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2457"]
[BlackElo "2603"]
[TimeControl "4/0"]

1. d2-d4 d7-d6 2. e2-e4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 g7-g6 4. f2-f4 Bf8-g7 5. Ng1-f3 O-O
6.
e4-e5 d6xe5 7. d4xe5 Qd8xd1 8. Ke1xd1 Nf6-h5 9. Bc1-e3 Nb8-c6 10. Nc3-e2
Bc8-g4
11. Ne2-g1 Ra8-d8 12. Kd1-c1 Bg7-h6 13. g2-g3 f7-f6 14. e5xf6 e7xf6 15.
h2-h3
Bg4xf3 16. Ng1xf3 Nh5xg3 17. Bf1-c4 Kg8-h8 18. Rh1-g1 Ng3-f5 19. Be3-c5
Bh6xf4 0-1

[Event "Ajedrez21"]
[Site "www.ajedrez21.com"]
[Date "2003.6.20"]
[White "RIOMA"]
[Black "Goran Tomic"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2853"]
[BlackElo "2568"]
[TimeControl "3/0"]

1. d2-d4 d7-d6 2. e2-e4 Ng8-f6 3. Bf1-d3 g7-g6 4. Ng1-f3 Bf8-g7 5. Bc1-g5
O-O 6.
Nb1-d2 Nb8-d7 7. c2-c3 c7-c5 8. O-O c5xd4 9. c3xd4 b7-b6 10. Rf1-e1 Bc8-b7
11.
h2-h3 Ra8-c8 12. Ra1-c1 h7-h6 13. Bg5-h4 Rc8xc1 14. Qd1xc1 Qd8-a8 15. e4-e5
d6xe5 16. d4xe5 Nf6-d5 17. e5-e6 Nd5-f4 18. e6xf7 Rf8xf7 19. Bd3-c4 Bb7-d5
20.
Bh4-g3 Nd7-c5 21. Nd2-b3 Nc5-d3 22. Bc4xd5 Qa8xd5 23. Qc1-e3 Nd3xe1 24.
Bg3xf4 Ne1xf3
25. g2xf3 Qd5-f5 26. Bf4xh6 Qf5xf3 27. Qe3xf3 Rf7xf3 28. Kg1-g2 Rf3-f5 29.
Bh6-c1 a7-a5 30. a2-a4 Rf5-d5 31. Bc1-e3 Bg7xb2 32. Be3xb6 Bb2-c3 33. Kg2-f3
Bc3-b4
34. Kf3-e4 Rd5-d1 35. Bb6xa5 Rd1-e1 36. Ke4-d5 e7-e6 37. Kd5-c4 Bb4xa5 38.
Nb3xa5 Re1-e2 39. Na5-c6 Re2xf2 40. a4-a5 Rf2-a2 41. Kc4-b5 Ra2-b2 42.
Kb5-c5 Rb2-a2
43. Kc5-b6 Ra2-b2 44. Kb6-c5 Rb2-b3 45. a5-a6 Rb3xh3 46. Kc5-b4 Rh3-h7 47.
Kb4-c5 Rh7-h1 48. Kc5-b5 Rh1-b1 49. Nc6-b4 Rb1-a1 50. Kb5-b6 g6-g5 51. a6-a7
Ra1xa7
52. Kb6xa7 g5-g4 53. Nb4-d3 g4-g3 54. Nd3-e1 Kg8-f7 55. Ka7-b6 Kf7-f6 56.
Kb6-c5
Kf6-e5 57. Kc5-c4 Ke5-e4 58. Kc4-c3 Ke4-e3 59. Kc3-c2 Ke3-e2 60. Ne1-g2
Ke2-f2
61. Ng2-f4 e6-e5 62. Nf4-d3 Kf2-e3 63. Nd3-e1 Ke3-e2 64. Ne1-g2 e5-e4 65.
Kc2-c1
e4-e3 66. Kc1-c2 Ke2-f2 67. Ng2-f4 e3-e2 68. Nf4-d3 Kf2-f1 69. Kc2-d2 g3-g2
70.
Nd3-e1 g2-g1=Q 71. Ne1-f3 Qg1-f2 0-1

[Event "Ajedrez21"]
[Site "www.ajedrez21.com"]
[Date "2003.9.13"]
[White "SHAH1981"]
[Black "Goran Tomic"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2740"]
[BlackElo "2531"]
[TimeControl "3/0"]

1. d2-d3 d7-d6 2. Ng1-f3 Ng8-f6 3. g2-g3 g7-g6 4. Bf1-g2 Bf8-g7 5. O-O O-O
6.
Nb1-d2 e7-e5 7. c2-c3 c7-c6 8. Qd1-c2 Bc8-g4 9. e2-e4 Qd8-c8 10. Rf1-e1
Nb8-d7 11.
Nd2-f1 Nd7-c5 12. Nf1-e3 Bg4-h3 13. b2-b4 Bh3xg2 14. Kg1xg2 Nc5-e6 15. a2-a4
Nf6-h5 16. Ne3-c4 Qc8-d8 17. Ra1-b1 f7-f5 18. b4-b5 f5xe4 19. d3xe4 Qd8-f6
20.
Qc2-d3 Ra8-d8 21. b5xc6 b7xc6 22. Bc1-e3 g6-g5 23. h2-h3 Qf6xf3 24. Kg2-f1
Nh5-f4
25. g3xf4 Ne6xf4 26. Nc4-d2 Qf3-h1 0-1

[Event "Ajedrez21"]
[Site "www.ajedrez21.com"]
[Date "2003.7.17"]
[White "smithers"]
[Black "Goran Tomic"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2726"]
[BlackElo "2568"]
[TimeControl "1/0"]

1. d2-d4 d7-d6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. g2-g3 g7-g6 4. Bf1-g2 Bf8-g7 5. Ng1-f3 O-O
6.
O-O c7-c5 7. d4-d5 Nb8-d7 8. Nb1-c3 a7-a6 9. e2-e4 Ra8-b8 10. a2-a4 Rf8-e8
11.
Bc1-g5 b7-b6 12. Nf3-d2 Qd8-c7 13. Bg5-e3 Nd7-e5 14. f2-f4 Ne5-g4 15. Be3-f2
Ng4xf2 16. Rf1xf2 Nf6-g4 17. Rf2-e2 Bg7-d4 18. Kg1-f1 Ng4-e3 19. Re2xe3
Bd4xe3 20.
Qd1-e2 Be3-d4 21. Ra1-c1 e7-e6 22. Nd2-f3 e6xd5 23. c4xd5 Bc8-b7 24. Nf3xd4
c5xd4
25. Nc3-b5 Qc7xc1 26. Kf1-f2 a6xb5 27. e4-e5 Qc1-e3 28. Qe2xe3 d4xe3 29.
Kf2xe3
d6xe5 30. f4-f5 Rb8-d8 0-1

[Event "Ajedrez21"]
[Site "www.ajedrez21.com"]
[Date "2003.11.20"]
[White "Goran Tomic"]
[Black "sidrero"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2608"]
[BlackElo "2633"]
[TimeControl "3/0"]

1. d2-d4 d7-d5 2. c2-c4 c7-c6 3. Ng1-f3 Ng8-f6 4. g2-g3 d5xc4 5. Bf1-g2
g7-g6 6.
O-O Bf8-g7 7. Nb1-d2 c4-c3 8. b2xc3 O-O 9. a2-a4 Nb8-d7 10. Bc1-a3 Rf8-e8
11.
Nd2-c4 Nf6-d5 12. Qd1-b3 Nd7-b6 13. Nc4-e5 Bc8-e6 14. Nf3-g5 Be6-g4 15.
e2-e4
Nd5-f6 16. Ne5xf7 Qd8-b8 17. Nf7-h6 Kg8-h8 18. Qb3-g8 Re8xg8 19. Ng5-f7 1-0

That were blitz games, so some mistakes are reasonable.

2) Mr. Tomic lives in a country where the pleasant pasttime of ethnic
hatred
has been elevated almost to an artform. This could be relevant to the
Fischer thread.

No, that's not true.
My country is nice, the people are peaceful and very hospitable. We became
the first Ecologic state in the world, in 1991. By the way, yet before our
Adriatic coast was entitled: Golden coast of Montenegro. Our mountains are
beautiful and our history is great.

I'm sending you some facts:
Cetinje, a small town in Montenegro, lies on the slopes of Mt. Lovcen. It is
only about forty kilometres from the well-known Adriatic resorts of Budva
and Kotor.
Ivan Crnojevic founded the town in 1842 and named it after the river Cetina
which then flowed through the valley.
The first printed book of the South Slavs was printed in Cetinje in 1493. It
was an Orthodox prayer book. It is now kept in the Cetinje monastery and it
is valued as a real masterpiece of printing.
Bishop-prince Petar Petrovic Njegos lived and ruled in Cetinje from 1830 to
1851. There he opened two schools and supported the printing of books. A man
of great education and a poet of genius, he travelled a lot abroad and
offered hospitality to many well-known people of the time.
His residence Biljarda has been turned into a museum. The museum includes a
rich library with books written in several languages, and his billiard table
after which the whole building was named. His most important works were writ
ten in the Biljarda: MOUNTAIN WREATH, LIGHT OF THE MICROCOSM, SCEPAN THE
SMALL, and others.
Cetinje is famous as a town-museum. It has five well-known museums, an Art
Gallery, the Central Library of Montenegro, etc.

Here is Wilson's translation from the epic poem "Dioba Jaksica". How does it
sound to you in English?

The moon speaks hard words to the Day-star:
"Where have you passed your time, star, o Day-star?
Where have you passed, where have you lost your time,
Lost your time for three livelong days?"
The Day-star to the moon makes answer:
"Where have I passed, where have I lost my time?
All over the white town, over Belgrade,
Where I looked and saw a mighty wonder,
How two brothers shared father's goods,
Dmitar and his brother Bogdan Jaksic."

Do you like it?

If you want, come in my country and you will be my guest. I'm sure that
you'll perceived that all of that you have heard about my country and our
people is not true.

Regards,
Goran Tomic

Thanks for the compliments. Here are some more games I played on
chess21.com.

I looked in Mega and see 0 games, Goran.

John Fernandez

"John Fernandez" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the compliments. Here are some more games I played on
chess21.com.

I looked in Mega and see 0 games, Goran.

John Fernandez



I'm internet grandmaster in blitz (and bullet chess). I didn't say the games
are in MEGA. Here are some miniatures I played last year:


Goran Tomic - guest1319 [A10]
ICC 1 0 u Internet Chess Club, 02.09.2003

1.c4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.d3 exd3 4.Bxd3 e5 5.Qh5+ g6 6.Bxg6+ hxg6 7.Qxg6+ Ke7
8.Bg5+ Unregistered player Black disconnected and forfeits 1-0



guest1051 - Goran Tomic [A53]
ICC 2 0 u Internet Chess Club, 06.07.2003

1.d4 d6 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Bf4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Qd2 c5 7.e3 Nc6 8.0-0-0 cxd4
9.exd4 Bg4 10.d5 Nb4 11.Bh6 Qa5 12.Bxg7 Kxg7 13.Kb1 Bf5+ 14.Kc1 Qxa2 15.Nxa2
Nxa2# White checkmated 0-1


Supergonzo (1843) - Goran Tomic [A02]
ICC 2 0 u Internet Chess Club, 13.06.2003

1.f4 d6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 g6 4.b3 Bg7 5.Bb2 0-0 6.Be2 Nc6 7.0-0 Re8 8.d3 e5
9.fxe5 dxe5 10.e4 Ng4 11.Qd2 Bh6 12.Qc3 Be3+ 13.Kh1 Nd4 White resigns 0-1


Goran Tomic - guest710 [A40]
ICC 2 0 u Internet Chess Club, 25.06.2003

1.d4 g6 2.Nf3 Bg7 3.Nc3 e6 4.Bg5 Ne7 5.Qd2 0-0 6.h4 h6 7.Bxh6 Kh7 8.h5 Bxh6
9.hxg6+ Black resigns 1-0

Goran Tomic

Goran Tomic wrote:

I'm internet grandmaster in blitz (and bullet chess). I didn't say the games
are in MEGA. Here are some miniatures I played last year:

Uhhhh. So you're a legend in your own mind. Congrats.

John Fernandez

"Goran Tomic" wrote in message ...

I'm internet grandmaster in blitz (and bullet chess). I didn't say the
games
are in MEGA. Here are some miniatures I played last year:

Sorry Goran, there has been no GM title for blitz (and bullet) yet but it`s
funny on your side to claim so ))

BTW Surely not all good chessplayers are included in MEGA or even in FIDE
rating list. ))

Regards,
Jerzy

Goran, how are you suffering your 'roast'? This is an English term we use
when you personally become the subject of a mocking conversation. It is
usual for it to be good humoured however.

The only way to disarm people who cannot distinguish freedom from license
and have no humour or respect of this process is to criticise yourself more
than they have This is completely disarming!

But I wanted to write you something in public about a precedent for trying
to win the peace rather than celebrating war. Something from your writing on
R. J. Fischer.

In the Napoleonic period there were officially no visas offered to opponents
of Napoleons empire. Yet hemi-semi-officially the practice was for men of
science, many great men from all over Europe in fact, to travel to the Royal
Society in London or to the Institut in Paris, and to address each other
there on every variety of scientific discovery, especially medicine, botany
and chemistry.

These gentlemen did not think that war constituted any part of civilisation,
and was the result of its failure.

They did not countenance that civilisation should stop, and not even
Napoleon could prevent these humanistic exchanges taking place.

It was always easier to win the war than e'er to win any peace.

Cordially, Phil Innes

"Jerzy" wrote in message
...
"Goran Tomic" wrote in message ...


Sorry Goran, there has been no GM title for blitz (and bullet) yet but
it`s
funny on your side to claim so ))


Are you sure? Look at chess21.com, my well known nickname is "zelenika". I
have on that site GM title. On that site you get GM title with rating 2450!
I have rating more than 2600 on that site. Check it.

Goran Tomic