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From the San Jose 'Mercury News':
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/9194702.htm ***BEGIN ARTICLE*** Posted on Mon, Jul. 19, 2004 Ex-Stanford physicist slams arrest of chess figure in Japan BROTHER-IN-LAW ACCUSES U.S. OF USING BOBBY FISCHER AS PAWN By Nicole C. Wong Mercury News The brother-in-law of American chess legend Bobby Fischer blasted the Bush administration Monday for Fischer's recent arrest in Japan, saying Fischer is a pawn in a game of election-year politics. ``What Bobby's accused of is playing chess 12 years ago in Yugoslavia,'' said Russell Targ, a former Stanford laser physicist whose late wife was Fischer's sister. ``It looks like it's a distraction from the war and the economy. Let's arrest Bobby Fischer. That will take people's minds off their troubles.'' Fischer broke a U.S. ban on doing business with the former Balkan country in 1992, when the onetime world chess champion won $3.5 million by outmaneuvering Russian chess superstar Boris Spassky in an exhibition rematch. If extradited to the United States, Fischer could face up to 10 years in prison and a $50,000 fine. The 61-year-old has been on the run since trouncing Spassky at the tournament, traveling to Tokyo, Budapest, Hungary, and elsewhere. While some chess fans miss watching his brilliant maneuvers, they've tired of his tirade against Jews and the United States, particularly his praise of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Fischer was arrested by Japanese immigration officials last week at Tokyo's Narita airport for trying to fly with a revoked American passport. Still in Japan Officials there told the Associated Press today that Fishcer has been in their custody since and was being processed for deportation, though he could appeal their deicison. Targ, who was in Iceland in 1972 when Fischer first beat Spassky in a Cold War showdown, has not been in touch with his brother-in-law for more than a decade. He called for Fischer's release. ``Prosecuting Bobby right now is ridiculous,'' Targ said in his first comments to the press since Fischer's arrest. ``He's a political prisoner now.'' Targ blamed President George H.W. Bush for first making a scapegoat of Fischer, who defied sanctions against Yugoslavia as the country was embroiled in civil war. ``He didn't know what to do about ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia,'' Targ said of the former president. ``Now George the Second doesn't know what to do about 900 Americans in Iraq or the economy, but let's arrest Bobby.'' The White House on Monday referred questions about Fischer's case and Targ's comments to the State Department, which referred questions to the Department of Justice, which said charges have not been filed. Miyoko Watai, president of the Japan Chess Association, said her friend is ``depressed very much.'' Smiley faces But some local chess aficionados are smirking. Alan Kirshner, who runs the Success Chess school in Fremont, said he's received e-mails with smiley faces about Fischer's arrest. ``Everyone respects his chess. No one respects him,'' Kirshner said. Stanford chemistry Professor Richard Zare, a longtime faculty sponsor of the university's student chess club, said Fischer's virulent anti- Americanism and anti-Semitism make him ``the type of person you might not want to get trapped in an elevator with.'' But Zare still marvels at Fischer's intricate understanding of chess and ability to quickly see how moving any piece in any direction could affect who wins the game. ``The possibilities grow astronomically in chess,'' he said. ``Even chess computers struggle to do what Bobby Fischer was able to do with his feel of the game,'' he said. ***END ARTICLE*** -- banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968) |
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The brother-in-law of American chess legend Bobby Fischer blasted the
Bush administration Monday for Fischer's recent arrest in Japan, saying Fischer is a pawn in a game of election-year politics. Fischer's own family is against his arrest? What a scoop. "Hey Charley, hold the headline on the Petunia Festival, I think we've got something here!" ``What Bobby's accused of is playing chess 12 years ago in Yugoslavia,'' said Russell Targ, a former Stanford laser physicist whose late wife was Fischer's sister. ``It looks like it's a distraction from the war and the economy. Let's arrest Bobby Fischer. That will take people's minds off their troubles.'' Wouldn't that be wild if it were true? Unfortunately for the ego of the chess world, there's no indication as of yet that the US Government cares about him at all. His passport wasn't renewed, and since then, nature has simply taken its course. The 61-year-old has been on the run since trouncing Spassky at the tournament, Trouncing Spassky, I like that. Probably few players' reputations have suffered as much from a *victory* as Fischer's did after that match. He took an even bigger hit from it than Karpov took in 1978. While some chess fans miss watching his brilliant maneuvers, they've tired of his tirade against Jews and the United States, particularly his praise of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Actually, people have been surprisingly willing to sweep that under the rug, with nothing more than some lip service about not wanting to shake his hand personally, but really, who in the chess world would be able to resist an offer like that if it came to them? Officials there told the Associated Press today that Fishcer has been in their custody since and was being processed for deportation, though he could appeal their deicison. I eagerly await Fischer's press release about how the Jews have taken over Japan. Those darn Jews! Targ, who was in Iceland in 1972 when Fischer first beat Spassky in a Cold War showdown, has not been in touch with his brother-in-law for more than a decade. He called for Fischer's release. Well, far be it from me to suggest that the plea of a Stanford professor doesn't carry much weight in the world of international politics, but... oh, let's face it. The plea of a Stanford prof DOESN'T carry much weight in the world of politics. ``Prosecuting Bobby right now is ridiculous,'' That's very true. He should have the charges dropped in exchange for being institutionalized and finally getting the treatment he needs. The most depressing thing about this whole business is how little his supposed friends care whether he ever gets help or stays haunted by his phantoms the rest of his life. With friends like that... Targ said in his first comments to the press since Fischer's arrest. ``He's a political prisoner now.'' It's a disgrace that he should need a passport at all, isn't it? Who do they think he is, one of the peons? Targ blamed President George H.W. Bush for first making a scapegoat of Fischer, who defied sanctions against Yugoslavia as the country was embroiled in civil war. ``He didn't know what to do about ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia,'' Targ said of the former president. Well, Bobby sure knew what to do about it. Lend his name to it. I wonder who's the bigger villain here. ``Now George the Second doesn't know what to do about 900 Americans in Iraq or the economy, but let's arrest Bobby.'' "The Old Faulty Dilemma fallacy ought to fool the marks." On the other hand, maybe the guy really believes what he's saying. He is a laser physicist, not a logician, after all. The White House on Monday referred questions about Fischer's case and Targ's comments to the State Department, which referred questions to the Department of Justice, which said charges have not been filed. Which means that Targ's rant is entirely pre-emptive. And considering how much sense it's made, we can call it a Pre-emptive "strike". ``Everyone respects his chess. No one respects him,'' Kirshner said. Unfortunately, that's the Sam Sloan "everyone". Stanford chemistry Professor Richard Zare, a longtime faculty sponsor of the university's student chess club, said Fischer's virulent anti- Americanism and anti-Semitism make him ``the type of person you might not want to get trapped in an elevator with.'' It would be harder on Fischer than anyone else. After spending so many years avoiding any and all diverse opinions, or anyone who might stand up to him imagine of poor Bobby were in the presence of a (gasp!) diverse opinion that he couldn't escape from. Arrest would probably be preferable. |
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In article , Graeme
writes snip Unfortunately for the ego of the chess world, there's no indication as of yet that the US Government cares about him at all. His passport wasn't renewed, and since then, nature has simply taken its course. You are getting the facts wrong. His passport was *renewed* in 1997. It was *revoked*, according to the US authorities, in December 2003, but he himself wasn't informed until last week. 'Revoked' is very different from 'allowed to expire' or 'not renewed'. So obviously the US government do 'care' about him. The 61-year-old has been on the run since trouncing Spassky at the tournament, Trouncing Spassky, I like that. Probably few players' reputations have suffered as much from a *victory* as Fischer's did after that match. He took an even bigger hit from it than Karpov took in 1978. 'Trounced' means he won convincingly at the chessboard, not in the reputation stakes. snip Targ, who was in Iceland in 1972 when Fischer first beat Spassky in a Cold War showdown, has not been in touch with his brother-in-law for more than a decade. He called for Fischer's release. Well, far be it from me to suggest that the plea of a Stanford professor doesn't carry much weight in the world of international politics, but... oh, let's face it. The plea of a Stanford prof DOESN'T carry much weight in the world of politics. Sure, Targ doesn't own any media networks or control the funding to any political parties. Doesn't stop him being right. Nor from having, in this instance, acted commendably and honourably with regard to someone he hasn't even spoken to for a decade. ``Prosecuting Bobby right now is ridiculous,'' That's very true. He should have the charges dropped in exchange for being institutionalized and finally getting the treatment he needs. Then why doesn't the US government drop its interest in him completely? snip ``Now George the Second doesn't know what to do about 900 Americans in Iraq or the economy, but let's arrest Bobby.'' "The Old Faulty Dilemma fallacy ought to fool the marks." On the other hand, maybe the guy really believes what he's saying. He is a laser physicist, not a logician, after all. He's saying there's a propaganda advantage in it for the US government? Why not comment on that, or argue the contrary, rather than implying that he only thinks so because he doesn't understand logic? BTW he's a parapsychologist as well as a laser physicist. The White House on Monday referred questions about Fischer's case and Targ's comments to the State Department, which referred questions to the Department of Justice, which said charges have not been filed. Which means that Targ's rant is entirely pre-emptive. And considering how much sense it's made, we can call it a Pre-emptive "strike". Good on him. -- banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968) |
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It's a disgrace that he should need a passport at all, isn't it?
Passports were uncommon before WW I. Most people traveled without one. Citizens could come and go as they pleased! Oh, The Horror, The Horror! |
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A distraction from the war and economy? Shoot; nobody talks about it, few
people know about it, no one cares, except gossiping chess players. It's not much of a distraction. "banana" wrote in message ... From the San Jose 'Mercury News': http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/9194702.htm ***BEGIN ARTICLE*** Posted on Mon, Jul. 19, 2004 Ex-Stanford physicist slams arrest of chess figure in Japan BROTHER-IN-LAW ACCUSES U.S. OF USING BOBBY FISCHER AS PAWN By Nicole C. Wong Mercury News The brother-in-law of American chess legend Bobby Fischer blasted the Bush administration Monday for Fischer's recent arrest in Japan, saying Fischer is a pawn in a game of election-year politics. ``What Bobby's accused of is playing chess 12 years ago in Yugoslavia,'' said Russell Targ, a former Stanford laser physicist whose late wife was Fischer's sister. ``It looks like it's a distraction from the war and the economy. Let's arrest Bobby Fischer. That will take people's minds off their troubles.'' Fischer broke a U.S. ban on doing business with the former Balkan country in 1992, when the onetime world chess champion won $3.5 million by outmaneuvering Russian chess superstar Boris Spassky in an exhibition rematch. If extradited to the United States, Fischer could face up to 10 years in prison and a $50,000 fine. The 61-year-old has been on the run since trouncing Spassky at the tournament, traveling to Tokyo, Budapest, Hungary, and elsewhere. While some chess fans miss watching his brilliant maneuvers, they've tired of his tirade against Jews and the United States, particularly his praise of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Fischer was arrested by Japanese immigration officials last week at Tokyo's Narita airport for trying to fly with a revoked American passport. Still in Japan Officials there told the Associated Press today that Fishcer has been in their custody since and was being processed for deportation, though he could appeal their deicison. Targ, who was in Iceland in 1972 when Fischer first beat Spassky in a Cold War showdown, has not been in touch with his brother-in-law for more than a decade. He called for Fischer's release. ``Prosecuting Bobby right now is ridiculous,'' Targ said in his first comments to the press since Fischer's arrest. ``He's a political prisoner now.'' Targ blamed President George H.W. Bush for first making a scapegoat of Fischer, who defied sanctions against Yugoslavia as the country was embroiled in civil war. ``He didn't know what to do about ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia,'' Targ said of the former president. ``Now George the Second doesn't know what to do about 900 Americans in Iraq or the economy, but let's arrest Bobby.'' The White House on Monday referred questions about Fischer's case and Targ's comments to the State Department, which referred questions to the Department of Justice, which said charges have not been filed. Miyoko Watai, president of the Japan Chess Association, said her friend is ``depressed very much.'' Smiley faces But some local chess aficionados are smirking. Alan Kirshner, who runs the Success Chess school in Fremont, said he's received e-mails with smiley faces about Fischer's arrest. ``Everyone respects his chess. No one respects him,'' Kirshner said. Stanford chemistry Professor Richard Zare, a longtime faculty sponsor of the university's student chess club, said Fischer's virulent anti- Americanism and anti-Semitism make him ``the type of person you might not want to get trapped in an elevator with.'' But Zare still marvels at Fischer's intricate understanding of chess and ability to quickly see how moving any piece in any direction could affect who wins the game. ``The possibilities grow astronomically in chess,'' he said. ``Even chess computers struggle to do what Bobby Fischer was able to do with his feel of the game,'' he said. ***END ARTICLE*** -- banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968) |
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In article E3bLc.46429$2i3.9524@clgrps12, Duncan
writes A distraction from the war and economy? Shoot; nobody talks about it, few people know about it, no one cares, except gossiping chess players. It's not much of a distraction. Two other things to factor in: - the history of 'swaps'. It is very common when country A seizes person X from country B, for country B to seize person Y (typically, 'businessman' Y) from country A - see Charles Jenkins, whose experiences are being very widely reported in Japan and elsewhere in the Far East (and quite widely in the US too); Fischer could then be seen as a 'pawn' whose deportation to the US weighs in the public-relations balance against the non-deportation of Charles Jenkins, but whose being given a lengthy prison sentence (which, as he says, might well lead to his early death, as happened to Wilhelm Reich) might well not be given wide coverage, or be of 'great importance' to the movers and shakers - the fact that he was on his way to give a radio interview. I don't believe that wasn't important. It's hardly being reported in the west - I've only seen it being reported in the Philippines... Remember that the US authorities renewed his passport in 1997, no problem. He hadn't started going on the radio then. Perhaps someone could give me an alternative explanation of the huge difference in US government attitude between 1997 and 2004? "banana" wrote in message ... From the San Jose 'Mercury News': http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/9194702.htm ***BEGIN ARTICLE*** Posted on Mon, Jul. 19, 2004 Ex-Stanford physicist slams arrest of chess figure in Japan BROTHER-IN-LAW ACCUSES U.S. OF USING BOBBY FISCHER AS PAWN By Nicole C. Wong Mercury News The brother-in-law of American chess legend Bobby Fischer blasted the Bush administration Monday for Fischer's recent arrest in Japan, saying Fischer is a pawn in a game of election-year politics. -- banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968) |
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Passports were uncommon before WW I. Most people traveled without one. Citizens could come and go as they pleased! Oh, The Horror, The Horror! Oh well, if you're saying that NOBODY should need a passport now, because they didn't have them 100 years ago, that's... questionable, but at least it's debatable. But that's not what you're fighting for. You're fighting for this ONE guy to have a right not to carry a passport. Everybody else still needs one. That's where your position tanks. You think you Bobby's racist philosophies are troublesome and can be ignored, but the logic of your position requires you to approve, or at least mitigate them. That a valid passport is needed is the norm. Your position is that this guy is a special case. That he deserves rights and priviliges ABOVE the norm based on his situation. Making a judgment like that requires you to take his circumstances into account. WHY does this guy deserve special priviliges? Well, the good side is that he used to be a great chessplayer, the bad side is that he's an enthusiastic supporter of genocide and murder, uses the public airwaves to call for the murder of his enemies, cheated on his taxes for about 15 years, deliberately and knowingly violated UN sanctions, and who knows what else. To approve him for special priviliges is to make a value judgment on all those factors, and say that the good outweighs the bad. You may think you can just ignore his views on the Jews, but the logic of your position requires you to make a judgment, and a more or less favorable judgment about them. I guarantee you that nobody would be crying the blues for me if I did the same things he did. And all because I can't put away Taimanov in 6 games. Isn't that a bit shallow? |
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A distraction from the war and economy? Shoot; nobody talks about it, few
people know about it, no one cares, except gossiping chess players. It's not much of a distraction. The chess community overestimates his importance. They think that because we talk about him night and day that the rest of the country places importance on him too. "Wow, what a coup! To bring THE Bobby Fischer to trial!", as if the rest of the country wouldn't be scratching their heads and saying "Bobby Who?" If he went to trial, it would make news definitely, but it wouldn't be front page stuff. |
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Perhaps someone could give me an
alternative explanation of the huge difference in US government attitude between 1997 and 2004? Easy. Bureaucratic incompetence. Somebody in the passpot office renewed his passport without ever stopping to check and see if there were any outstanding warrants on him. "Oh yeah, Bobby Fischer. Didn't he used to be a backgammon player? (stamp, stamp, stamp)." For all we know, the revocation could have come about the same way. Assuming Fischer even bothered to do the legwork of *trying* to renew it himself. He may have thought he was too good to need a passport, and if so, judging by some of posts in this group, it would be easy to see where he got such an idea. |
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