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Fischer renounces U.S. citizenship

Fri 6 August, 2004 12:08

By Masayuki Kitano

TOKYO (Reuters) - Former world chess champion Bobby Fischer, wanted by
Washington for defying sanctions on Yugoslavia, plans to renounce his
U.S. citizenship, according to a lawyer working on his appeal against
deportation from Japan.

Fischer, one of the chess world's great eccentrics, was detained at
Tokyo's Narita airport last month when he tried to leave for Manila on a
passport U.S. officials say was invalid.

Japanese immigration officials rejected Fischer's initial appeal against
deportation and his lawyer, Masako Suzuki, has filed a second plea to
Justice Minister Daizo Nozawa.

In a handwritten note made available to the media, Fischer, 61, said the
U.S. government and "U.S.-controlled Japanese government, working in
collusion and in a criminal conspiracy, have illegally confiscated and
illegally physically destroyed my perfectly valid in every way U.S.
passport".

The letter, copies of which were made available to the media, added: "As
a result of the above-stated criminal act, as well as innumerable other
vicious crimes against me by the U.S. government, I no longer wish to be
an American citizen."

Fischer's lawyer Suzuki told a news conference he would likely become a
stateless person for some time and that his supporters would try to have
the office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR)
register him as a refugee.

Suzuki said Fischer phoned the U.S. embassy in Japan on Thursday and
conveyed his intention to renounce his citizenship.

But renunciation of his citizenship cannot take effect until he has met
a U.S. consular official and conveyed his intent in person, she said.

A U.S. embassy spokesman declined to comment on the matter of Fischer's
citizenship, but said that in general "renunciation of citizenship is a
process, it takes some time, it's not done instantly".

Besides filing with the UNHCR, Fischer would also look for countries
willing to let him stay, Suzuki said.

"We want to look far and wide for countries that are willing to accept
him," Suzuki said.

NO RETURN TO U.S. She declined to say if Fischer had expressed any
preferences but John Bosnitch, a Tokyo-based Canadian journalist and
communications consultant who is advising Fischer, said Fischer was
continuing to look at the option of seeking German citizenship, since
his father was German.

Documents to prove his German citizenship were still being collected,
Bosnitch told the same news conference.

Suzuki said she had asked the Tokyo District Court on Friday to halt
deportation procedures against Fischer.

One thing that is clear is that Fischer has no desire to return to the
United States.

"He doesn't have any expectation of a fair trial in the United States,"
Bosnitch said, adding that Fischer himself had said he would be a victim
of "a kangaroo court and a show trial" if he returned to the United
States.

Bosnitch said Fischer had written a second letter renouncing his
citizenship that his supporters would hand to the U.S. embassy in Tokyo
as early as Friday.

Fischer became world chess champion in 1972 when he beat Boris Spassky
of the Soviet Union in a victory seen as a Cold War propaganda coup for
the United States.

The title was taken from him three years later after his conditions for
a match against Anatoly Karpov, also of the Soviet Union, were rejected
by chess officials.

Karpov became champion by default.

Fischer, who arrived in Japan in April, has been wanted in the United
States since 1992 when he violated U.S. economic sanctions by going to
Yugoslavia for a chess match in which he won $3 million for beating old
rival Spassky.

The elusive chessmaster then vanished, only to resurface after the
September 11, 2001, attacks in the United States to give an interview to
a Philippine radio station in which he praised the strikes and said he
wanted to see America "wiped out".

Fischer has filed for refugee status in Japan, which accepts only
political refugees. His supporters in Japan say he is being persecuted
by the United States.

Fischer's supporters say he renewed his passport in 1997 and never
received a letter issued in December 2003 revoking it.

U.S. State Department officials in Washington have said it took years
for the legal process to catch up with Fischer.

Fischer, whose mother was Jewish, has also stirred controversy with
anti-Semitic remarks.

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Fischer renounces U.S. citizenship

Fri 6 August, 2004 12:08

By Masayuki Kitano

TOKYO (Reuters) - Former world chess champion Bobby Fischer, wanted by
Washington for defying sanctions on Yugoslavia, plans to renounce his
U.S. citizenship, according to a lawyer working on his appeal against
deportation from Japan.

snip

A U.S. embassy spokesman declined to comment on the matter of Fischer's
citizenship, but said that in general "renunciation of citizenship is a
process, it takes some time, it's not done instantly".

Note the amazing arrogance of the scumbag US officials, as if they have
the right to force someone outside of the US to be treated as a US
citizen if he doesn't want to be.

--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

Are you as delusional as Fischer? He has been a U.S. citizen, and
claims all the rights he believes a U.S. passport affords him (assuming
that the passport is his personal property), yet feels the U.S. income
tax laws and executive orders of President of the U.S. do not apply to
him - and that he can simply renounce his citizenship because he's been
caught breaking these laws. Doesn't want to be treated as a U.S.
citizen? Sure Bobby, how 'bout you just pay all your back taxes (and
associated penalties) and we'll let you go wherever you like - although
you may need to find another country to grant you a personal passport...

John

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Fischer renounces U.S. citizenship

Fri 6 August, 2004 12:08

By Masayuki Kitano

TOKYO (Reuters) - Former world chess champion Bobby Fischer, wanted by
Washington for defying sanctions on Yugoslavia, plans to renounce his
U.S. citizenship, according to a lawyer working on his appeal against
deportation from Japan.


snip

A U.S. embassy spokesman declined to comment on the matter of Fischer's
citizenship, but said that in general "renunciation of citizenship is a
process, it takes some time, it's not done instantly".


Note the amazing arrogance of the scumbag US officials, as if they have
the right to force someone outside of the US to be treated as a US
citizen if he doesn't want to be.

"John A Swartz" wrote in message
...
Are you as delusional as Fischer? He has been a U.S. citizen, and
claims all the rights he believes a U.S. passport affords him (assuming
that the passport is his personal property), yet feels the U.S. income
tax laws and executive orders of President of the U.S. do not apply to
him - and that he can simply renounce his citizenship because he's been
caught breaking these laws. Doesn't want to be treated as a U.S.
citizen? Sure Bobby, how 'bout you just pay all your back taxes (and
associated penalties) and we'll let you go wherever you like - although
you may need to find another country to grant you a personal passport...

John

Writing a note on the back of a napkin won't work like it did in 1972. He
has to make the statement in front of a US Consular General !!


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Fischer renounces U.S. citizenship

Fri 6 August, 2004 12:08

By Masayuki Kitano

TOKYO (Reuters) - Former world chess champion Bobby Fischer, wanted by
Washington for defying sanctions on Yugoslavia, plans to renounce his
U.S. citizenship, according to a lawyer working on his appeal against
deportation from Japan.


snip

A U.S. embassy spokesman declined to comment on the matter of Fischer's
citizenship, but said that in general "renunciation of citizenship is a
process, it takes some time, it's not done instantly".


Note the amazing arrogance of the scumbag US officials, as if they have
the right to force someone outside of the US to be treated as a US
citizen if he doesn't want to be.

In article , John A Swartz
writes

Are you as delusional as Fischer? He has been a U.S. citizen, and
claims all the rights he believes a U.S. passport affords him (assuming
that the passport is his personal property), yet feels the U.S. income
tax laws and executive orders of President of the U.S. do not apply to
him - and that he can simply renounce his citizenship because he's been
caught breaking these laws.

Try to understand this: US law does not apply outside of US
jurisdiction. Whether or not a refugee from State X is given asylum by
State Y does not depend solely on what State X says about whether or not
the person is a citizen of State X. That is not how international law on
refugees works. (How on earth could it be?) For example, let us say a
few years ago a refugee from Afghanistan turned up in, say, the UK,
before the illegal US/UK invasion. The decision on whether or not to
grant asylum status would not be taken solely on the basis of whether or
not the Taliban government claimed the person was still an Afghan
citizen.

Doesn't want to be treated as a U.S.
citizen? Sure Bobby, how 'bout you just pay all your back taxes (and
associated penalties) and we'll let you go wherever you like

Do you understand that the US authorities have no legal authority to
tell anyone outside US jurisdiction where they can or can't go? Yes or
no? Tell me whether or not you know this, please.

- although
you may need to find another country to grant you a personal
passport...

John

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Fischer renounces U.S. citizenship

Fri 6 August, 2004 12:08

By Masayuki Kitano

TOKYO (Reuters) - Former world chess champion Bobby Fischer, wanted by
Washington for defying sanctions on Yugoslavia, plans to renounce his
U.S. citizenship, according to a lawyer working on his appeal against
deportation from Japan.


snip

A U.S. embassy spokesman declined to comment on the matter of Fischer's
citizenship, but said that in general "renunciation of citizenship is a
process, it takes some time, it's not done instantly".


Note the amazing arrogance of the scumbag US officials, as if they have
the right to force someone outside of the US to be treated as a US
citizen if he doesn't want to be.


--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

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writes

"John A Swartz" wrote in message
...
Are you as delusional as Fischer? He has been a U.S. citizen, and
claims all the rights he believes a U.S. passport affords him (assuming
that the passport is his personal property), yet feels the U.S. income
tax laws and executive orders of President of the U.S. do not apply to
him - and that he can simply renounce his citizenship because he's been
caught breaking these laws. Doesn't want to be treated as a U.S.
citizen? Sure Bobby, how 'bout you just pay all your back taxes (and
associated penalties) and we'll let you go wherever you like - although
you may need to find another country to grant you a personal passport...

John

Writing a note on the back of a napkin won't work like it did in 1972. He
has to make the statement in front of a US Consular General !!

Whether or not the US authorities recognise the renunciation (as if it
were some 'request to be stood down') does not determine whether or
other 'sovereign' entities grant asylum on the grounds of persecution.

Fischer has no obligations to the US government. He is not living in US
jurisdiction.

If they say he's a 'criminal' (but don't say it about the USCF, who also
traded in Yugoslavia), why don't they make a request for extradition?

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Fischer renounces U.S. citizenship

Fri 6 August, 2004 12:08

By Masayuki Kitano

TOKYO (Reuters) - Former world chess champion Bobby Fischer, wanted by
Washington for defying sanctions on Yugoslavia, plans to renounce his
U.S. citizenship, according to a lawyer working on his appeal against
deportation from Japan.

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banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)

Self confessed foe of logic, banana wrote:
Note the amazing arrogance of the scumbag US officials, as if they have the
right to force someone outside of the US to be treated as a US citizen if he
doesn't want to be.


So, do you hate them even more than the Jews today?

John Swartz:
Are you as delusional as Fischer? He has been a U.S. citizen, and claims all
the rights he believes a U.S. passport affords him (assuming that the passport
is his personal property), yet feels the U.S. income tax laws and executive
orders of President of the U.S. do not apply to him - and that he can simply
renounce his citizenship because he's been caught breaking these laws.


There's no evidence that banana is delusional, but he's made it clear that he's
willing to say literally *anything*, if it will fool someone into taking
Bobby's side. He's even conceded points one day, and then un-conceded them the
next, apparently feeling that nobody's going to go to the trouble of Googling
him unless they're smart enough that he's already given up on them.

If you know that what he's saying is nonsense, he's not going to waste his time
with you. He'll either concede your point, or ignore it completely in order to
move on to someone more easily fooled.


Doesn't want to be treated as a U.S. citizen? Sure Bobby, how 'bout you just
pay all your back taxes (and associated penalties) and we'll let you go
wherever you like - although you may need to find another country to grant you
a personal passport...

John


Wouldn't that be hilarious? The Feds are closing in on Capone. He shouts out
the window "I renounce my citizenship." "Oh, okay. I guess the law doesn't
apply to you any more. Forget about the taxes you owe, and all the rest of it.
Sorry to have bothered you."

Self confessed foe of logic, banana wrote:
Try to understand this: US law does not apply outside of US jurisdiction.
Whether or not a refugee from State X is given asylum by State Y does not
depend solely on what State X says about whether or not the person is a citizen
of State X.


Give it up, banana. Swartz is too smart for you. No matter how you twist or
rationalize it, he knows, you know, and I know, that you have to have a valid
passport, your country has the right to revoke it, and you can be deported
without one. Remember the game plan. If someone is too smart for you, forget
'em and try to fool someone who isn't.

..
Try to understand this: US law does not apply outside of US jurisdiction.


Give it up, banana. Swartz is too smart for you. No matter how you twist or
rationalize it, he knows, you know, and I know, that you have to have a valid
passport, your country has the right to revoke it, and you can be deported


I think banana is in denial. He doesn't like the U.S. throwing its weight
around, and wants to visualize a limit to the power of such entities. But the
power of a country (that's 'merican for "state") is not entirely limited by
political borders. Fischer cannot travel freely, as banana would prefer to
see it. He does require a passport, just like everybody else. And up until
now, the passport he was using was given to him by the U.S. government, based
upon him being a U.S. citizen, "in good standing." :-)


BTW, once Fischer has officially renounced his citizenship, this will bring
it down to Gata Kamsky and Gregory Kaidanov. Even the most incredibly stupid
Fischer fanatics, will no longer be able to claim that "we" (i.e. the USA)
still hold the world championship title, because Fischer was never defeated
over-the-board. I can't hardly wait. :-)