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Date: Sat Aug 7, 2004 10:31 pm Subject: [fide-chess] AF4C merger = demise of USCF In a message dated 8/5/04 4:53:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: If the advocates of merger can simply play the game straight on the up and up, they will prevail. If the instincts of the political animals to tergiversate and obfuscate cannot be overcome, then they will probably lose. Yours, Larry Parr Hi Larry, Unfortunately, the ones in "power" want no part of a merger. Beatriz, Don and Dr. Brady seem unwilling even to talk about it. They should resign. Regards, Bob Smith USCF Past President |
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Date: Sat Aug 7, 2004 10:49 pm Subject: [fide-chess] AF4C merger = demise of USCF In a message dated 8/5/04 10:41:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: Gentlemen, Gentlemen, Well, there we have it. We have the assurance of Harold Winston, no less, that a resolution that calls for a merger would be invalid if passed. That should make everyone sleep more easily at night. John McCrary tells us that though the Delegates are the highest body in the USCF and though they may pass a resolution calling for a merger, we would not have a merger. That, too, should make everyone sleep more easily at night. The other side of the coin is that words have meaning when formally adopted and that there would be some kind of upshot from such a resolution passing. It would constitute a PEG on which to hang some kind of legal garment. We simply don't know as yet what surprises are in the pockets of that garment. What a sad mess. Straightforward full disclosure would likely sweep away opposition to what appears to be a good idea. Instead, we have these types who can't help flitting around corners and pulling up cloaks. Yours, Larry Parr Hi Larry, Conversation is useless. Those in power oppose any deal with Seattle. Beatriz will NOT EVEN TALK. Don drags his feet. Every effort is made to kill any dialogue with Eric. Our Board, when I was President, made the deal with Eric and his Seattle group to fund the US Championship. Had this not been done, there would now be no US Championship and maybe no USCF? I just don't get it. I give up. Good luck to Myron and John, but I just can't make the scene if Beatriz refuses to resign. Don should quit or at least explain himself. Best regards, Bob Smith |
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Date: Sat Aug 7, 2004 10:59 pm Subject: [fide-chess] E-Mail from Beatriz Marinello to John McCrary In a message dated 8/5/04 11:08:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: Gentlemen, Gentlemen, There is plenty of scope to criticize Beatriz Marinello's atrocious English syntax, which is akin to footwork in boxing. But Rocky Marciano was no Baryshnikov gazelle either. The issue is whether she has led with a right and hit political jawbone as the Rock hit Jersey Joe Walcott's sweet spot in their first fight. John McCrary certainly wants to redeem his image, as the current USCF president avers, and we all know that he resigned, quite rightly, because someone had to take responsibility for misleading the Federation, albeit unintentionally, about its actual status. He understood that there would be a recall, and he did not wish to face it. How one wishes that he had couched his resignation in completely honest, upright terms. I think we can all agree that it would have helped him. Still, we ought not to forget that Mr. McCrary has performed a real service by connecting the Federation with the AF4C, if only thus far for talks that have yet to reach fruition. We ought not to forget that combining the work of the Federation with the work of the AF4C, if that involves a merger or not, is a brilliant idea. We ought not to forget that there are some great chess people out there in Seattle, and their labors added to or merged with the Federation's labors has got to be a fine thing. Yours, Larry Parr Hi Larry, I have no problem with Beatriz personally. I have great respect for the work she has done with scholastics nor the quality of her work while she was employed in the Office. Unfortunately, she now appears to be a victim of bad advice; undoubtedly from power brokers, to all of us well known. In any event, she and Don should resign and allow their replacements to work with Eric and the Delegates to put together a workable plan that can support ALL of chess as well as USCF. Best regards, Bob Smith |
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"Sam Sloan" wrote in message om... Could you kindly explain how it would be possible and legal to merge two entirely different types of organizations? First, they are not entirely different. Second, I know of no reason why they can't merge. There is nothing to prevent a c-4 from have a charity subsidiary or a c-3 from having a membership subsidiary. It is necessary that charitable donations be used for charitable purposes. So what are the facts supporting your statement? |
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:53:13 -0400, "StanB"
wrote: "Sam Sloan" wrote in message . com... Could you kindly explain how it would be possible and legal to merge two entirely different types of organizations? First, they are not entirely different. Second, I know of no reason why they can't merge. There is nothing to prevent a c-4 from have a charity subsidiary or a c-3 from having a membership subsidiary. It is necessary that charitable donations be used for charitable purposes. So what are the facts supporting your statement? OK. Now you are talking about something a bit different, making the USCF as subsidiary of AF4C or making the AF4C a subsiriary of the USCF. However, that is not the deal they are discussing, or perhaps it is. The main point is that they are asking us to vote SIX DAYS FROM TODAY on whether or not to merge, but they refuse to give us any information at all on what form this merger will take. We are being asked to approve the merger now and then to leave it up to the EB "to work out the details". If this goes through, next year at this time the USCF as we know it will have ceased to exist. Sam Sloan |
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:53:13 -0400, "StanB"
wrote: "Sam Sloan" wrote in message . com... Could you kindly explain how it would be possible and legal to merge two entirely different types of organizations? First, they are not entirely different. Second, I know of no reason why they can't merge. There is nothing to prevent a c-4 from have a charity subsidiary or a c-3 from having a membership subsidiary. It is necessary that charitable donations be used for charitable purposes. So what are the facts supporting your statement? OK. Now you are talking about something a bit different, making the USCF as subsidiary of AF4C or making the AF4C a subsiriary of the USCF. However, that is not the deal they are discussing, or perhaps it is. The main point is that they are asking us to vote SIX DAYS FROM TODAY on whether or not to merge, but they refuse to give us any information at all on what form this merger will take. We are being asked to approve the merger now and then to leave it up to the EB "to work out the details". If this goes through, next year at this time the USCF as we know it will have ceased to exist. Sam Sloan |
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John McCrary certainly wants to redeem his image, as the
current USCF president avers, and we all know that he resigned, quite rightly, because someone had to take responsibility for misleading the Federation, albeit unintentionally, about its actual status. While I find all of this very funny, I must question the "albeit unintentionally", which begs the question "The buck stops where?" There was nothing unintentional about the immense loses of the McCrary administration. To claim he didn't know does not increase his status. McCrary now seeks to do a Nixon by resurrecting his fallen name by finding an "angel" to rescue USCF. To aid him in this effort, he has the assistance of crazy Bob Smith, who is threatening not to attend the US Open if Beatriz Marinello does not resign (as Bob agreed to do in St Paul before he had his mind changed by Chessdon and then changed his mind again and resigned, giving the Presidency to Tim Redman). St Paul was a hoot. Very funny. It is hard to know who to root for, but it is priceless to watch from a distance. Rp |
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I have great respect for
the work she has done with scholastics nor the quality of her work while she was employed in the Office. Larry, Would you like to comment on the syntax of this sentence? Perhaps you can find a meaning? Was English a second language for Bob Smith? Richard Peterson |
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I have read with shock and regret the posting of Bob Smith calling for Baetriz
Marinello to resign as USCF President because she has not reacted fast enough to the so-called AF4C Merger of John McCrary. Let me remind you that Mr. McCrary was President while the USCF spun perilously close to bankruptcy. When some of us tried to warn him of the coming disaster if he stuck to his plan to increase book and equipment sales at any cost--he ignored us. I resigned in frustration from the Finance Committee in Late Spring 2003 before the audited report pulled the plug on the sham that all was financially strong with the USCF. USCF lost $364,930 in fiscal 2002-03 under McCrary's Presidency. I then called for McCrary to resign as USCF President. He did. With a discedited presidency he should remove himself from major initiaitives. Instead he keeps pursuing some kind of "merger", "affiliation" or "sale" of the USCF. I served on a Committee of Past USCF Presidents which included McCrary and Smith. The only specific proposal submitted by McCrary was one in which there would be an overall governing Board for USCF and AF4C. This nine member Board would have 5 members appointed permanently by AF4C and 4 elected by USCF. I pointed out that this was not a merger --it was a sale of USCF. As for the promised million dollars, ($500,000 immediately, the rest in pieces later), it was not a donation as McCrary Claims--just a transfer of funds from AF4C to a new entity AF4C-USCF completely owned by AF4C. That is not amerger --it is a sale. McCrary's response was to generalize-- and ask that the USCF President negotiate the details!! I also noted that only a fool negotiates from weakness-- and at that time the very survival of USCF was in doubt--better to turn around our finances and then explore whether and what kind of cooperation USCF might undertake with AF4C. President Marinello has been instrumental in turning around our finances. For anyone to suggest that she resign is outrageous. President Marinello is owed an apology by Mr. Smith. And she is owed a vote of thanks from the rest of us. Dr. Leroy Dubeck, Past President USCF rec/game/chess/politics |
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