I call them conditions. He's not holding anyone up.


"Miriling" wrote

It seems like former USCF president Bob Smith of Florida is making
demands,
threats or whatever you want to call it

Subject: Ex-USCF president playing "hardball"

On 8 August 2004 (ASCACHESS) asked Larry (parrthenon) in
Message-id:

I have great respect for
the work she has done with scholastics nor the quality of her work
while she was employed in the Office.

Larry,
Would you like to comment on the syntax of this sentence?
Perhaps you can find a meaning?
Was English a second language for Bob Smith?

Richard Peterson


Smith made a Fingerfehler - or maybe it was a Denkfehler - when he typed "nor"
in the statement above. I'm sure he meant to write "and."

George Mirijanian

"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
om...

OK. Now you are talking about something a bit different, making the
USCF as subsidiary of AF4C or making the AF4C a subsiriary of the
USCF.

However, that is not the deal they are discussing, or perhaps it is.

Most mergers are really takeovers. A true pooling of interests among
unrelated parties is rare.

The main point is that they are asking us to vote SIX DAYS FROM TODAY
on whether or not to merge, but they refuse to give us any information
at all on what form this merger will take.

We are being asked to approve the merger now and then to leave it up
to the EB "to work out the details".

If this goes through, next year at this time the USCF as we know it
will have ceased to exist.

I give this motion less of a chance then the proverbial snowball in Hades.

A very good letter by Leroy Dubeck. Thank you.

On 09 Aug 2004 02:46:29 GMT, (LWDubeck) wrote:

I have read with shock and regret the posting of Bob Smith calling for Baetriz
Marinello to resign as USCF President because she has not reacted fast enough
to the so-called AF4C Merger of John McCrary.
Let me remind you that Mr. McCrary was President while the USCF spun perilously
close to bankruptcy. When some of us tried to warn him of the coming disaster
if he stuck to his plan to increase book and equipment sales at any cost--he
ignored us. I resigned in frustration from the Finance Committee in Late Spring
2003 before the audited report pulled the plug on the sham that all was
financially strong with the USCF. USCF lost $364,930 in fiscal 2002-03 under
McCrary's Presidency. I then called for McCrary to resign as USCF President. He
did. With a discedited presidency he should remove himself from major
initiaitives.

Instead he keeps pursuing some kind of "merger", "affiliation" or "sale" of the
USCF. I served on a Committee of Past USCF Presidents which included McCrary
and Smith. The only specific proposal submitted by McCrary was one in which
there would be an overall governing Board for USCF and AF4C. This nine member
Board would have 5 members appointed permanently by AF4C and 4 elected by USCF.
I pointed out that this was not a merger --it was a sale of USCF. As for the
promised million dollars, ($500,000 immediately, the rest in pieces later), it
was not a donation as McCrary Claims--just a transfer of funds from AF4C to a
new entity AF4C-USCF completely owned by AF4C. That is not amerger --it is a
sale. McCrary's response was to generalize-- and ask that the USCF President
negotiate the details!!

I also noted that only a fool negotiates from weakness-- and at that time the
very survival of USCF was in doubt--better to turn around our finances and then
explore whether and what kind of cooperation USCF might undertake with AF4C.
President Marinello has been instrumental in turning around our finances. For
anyone to suggest that she resign is outrageous. President Marinello is owed
an apology by Mr. Smith. And she is owed a vote of thanks from the rest of us.
Dr. Leroy Dubeck, Past President USCF
rec/game/chess/politics

Smith made a Fingerfehler - or maybe it was a Denkfehler - when he typed
"nor"
in the statement above. I'm sure he meant to write "and."

George Mirijanian

Smith would confuse Casey Stengel.

I'd say the ex-president is playing with softballs, not hardballs.

You're doing a good job, Beatriz, so work with your Executive Board and make
your own decisions. Ex-presidents should do like General MacArthur and just
"fade away".

Rich in Phoenix


"ChessforLife" wrote in message
...
In reference to the e-mail below, my response is as follows: I am looking
forward to continue serving the federation. For the first time since
1996, the
USCF made a profit, which is not an insignificant amount ($283,000) all
things
considered.

At the same time, we have a united Executive Board with two wonderful new
additions for this year (Elizabeth Shaughnessy and Randy Bauer).

Best Regards to all,

Beatriz Marinello
USCF President

On 08 Aug 2004 04:50:54 GMT, (Miriling) wrote:

It seems like former USCF president Bob Smith of Florida is making
demands,
threats or whatever you want to call it on the current USCF Executive
Board.
Smith, who resigned his presidency four years ago this month at a EB
meeting
in
Saint Paul, Minn., has informed another former USCF president, who also
resigned ignominiously from the Executive Board, that he won't be
co-operating
with the current board. As he stated in an e-mail reply to his fellow
ex-prez:
"I WILL NOT ATTEND the US Open in Florida unless Beatriz Marinello
immediately
resigns, along with those on the Board who have supported her refusal to
have
any dialogue with Eric [sic]"
remainder cut

"LWDubeck" wrote:
.... President Marinello has been instrumental in turning around our
finances. For
anyone to suggest that she resign is outrageous. President Marinello is
owed
an apology by Mr. Smith. And she is owed a vote of thanks from the rest of
us. ....

Over the years I have agreed with Dr. Dubeck less often than I have
disagreed, but I second the above wholeheartedly.

Bill Smythe

On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:50:56 -0500, "Bill Smythe"
wrote:

"LWDubeck" wrote:
.... President Marinello has been instrumental in turning around our
finances. For
anyone to suggest that she resign is outrageous. President Marinello is
owed
an apology by Mr. Smith. And she is owed a vote of thanks from the rest of
us. ....

Over the years I have agreed with Dr. Dubeck less often than I have
disagreed, but I second the above wholeheartedly.

Bill Smythe

Me too.

Sam Sloan

(ChessforLife) wrote in message ...
In reference to the e-mail below, my response is as follows: I am looking
forward to continue serving the federation. For the first time since 1996, the
USCF made a profit, which is not an insignificant amount ($283,000) all things
considered.

The US Chess Federation laid off more than 20 employees and replaced
it's well paid Executive Director with someone that is unpaid. How
much is the USCF saving per year in salary and benefits, perhaps
$500,000/year?

And in the process, the quality of Chess Life has plummeted, the books
and equipment business has been devalued because it was outsourced to
a company that appears to be out of its league (horrible catalog,
horrible webpage, horrible pricing) and member morale is at an all
time low (How many people cared to vote?)

If you want a pat on the back, figure out a way to turn a profit and
keep the quality of the organization high.

I have no intentions to renew my USCF membership when it lapses. I'd
rather save the money and use it to play on ICC and buy my equipment
from Wholesale Chess.

"...I have no intentions to renew my USCF membership when it lapses. I'd
rather save the money and use it to play on ICC and buy my equipment
from Wholesale Chess.." (pawnstormca)
===========
That's what I did recently... rejoin ICC. I weighed ICC vs USCF and chose
the one from which I can get the most benefit.. the most psychic income. ICC
won easily. There are no USCF rated OTB tournaments locally or nearby... so why
would I join USCF? Maybe someday, but not today.

Old Haasie