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I always believed that Chess players only got better with age, but after
following the remarks on this forum for a couple of years, it seems that
after the age of 45 or so the typical Chess player begins a long slide to a
point about 200 points lower than his peak?

Is this accurate? Are there any great Chess players who won any championship
after age 45? Any that were great at 60? 70?



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"Pinto" writes:
I always believed that Chess players only got better with age, but after
following the remarks on this forum for a couple of years, it seems that
after the age of 45 or so the typical Chess player begins a long slide to a
point about 200 points lower than his peak?


See Arpad Elo's book "The Rating of Chessplayers Past and Present".
It has several graphs of strength vs. age for various players. Yes,
older players slowly decline.

Is this accurate? Are there any great Chess players who won any
championship after age 45? Any that were great at 60? 70?


Emmanuel Lasker kept the world championship well into his 50's, and
Mikhail Botvinnik (born 1911) lost and regained it in his early 50's.
But in general, players that old tend to get overtaken by younger
players.
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I had a very nice increase in skill around age 45, bringing me to NM,
but after that, various physical ailments have prevented me from
playing chess at a level I can stand.

Evans actually discusssed this in an interesting fashion in his column
within the last few years.

And it should be noted that Elo's research first appeared in the
Journal of Gerontology.

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I always believed that Chess players only got better with age, but after
following the remarks on this forum for a couple of years, it seems that
after the age of 45 or so the typical Chess player begins a long slide to
a
point about 200 points lower than his peak?

Is this accurate? Are there any great Chess players who won any
championship
after age 45? Any that were great at 60? 70?


Given that Roger Clemens had an ERA under 2.00 at age 43, I suspect
chessplayers can hang on a little longer.

The reason you don't see older players becoming champions all of a sudden is
that the best players tend to rise up early in life and then quit.

A good question would be if Fischer could regain his title at age 62. I
believe he could. He's a nonsmoker, nondrinker, in decent physical shape,
and god only knows what new theory he's got tucked away.

Korchnoi won an international tournament at age 72 recently, and was a
semifinal in the candidates matches at the age of 56.

Kasparov at 44 showed very little signs of slowing down.

For what it's worth, I'm 39 years old and improving at a rate of
approximately 150 Elo points per year.



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Ray Gordon wrote:

For what it's worth, I'm 39 years old and improving at a rate of
approximately 150 Elo points per year.


Thus you'll be a C player by the age of 49.
Then you'll decline.

I think that you're already 49 because
I don't see how you can decline (an
absolute impossibility).

****

Wlod



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"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" Thus you'll be a C player by the age of
49.
Then you'll decline. I think that you're already 49 because I don't see

how you can decline (an absolute impossibility).


You guys are kind of mean to each other.


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"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" Thus you'll be a C player by the age of
49.
Then you'll decline. I think that you're already 49 because I don't see

how you can decline (an absolute impossibility).


You guys are kind of mean to each other.


Where was I mean to him?



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"Ray Gordon" Where was I mean to him?



I was expecting you would have a snappy comeback to his putdown. Perhaps you
seek recognition as the only nice Chess player in the world?


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I had a very nice increase in skill around age 45, bringing me to NM,
but after that, various physical ailments have prevented me from
playing chess at a level I can stand.


I thought the Viagra took care of that ?!?!?

My suggestion: Put away the girlie magazines and work on the chess.

Better yet, forget about chess althogether and buy more girlie magazines.


Evans actually discusssed this in an interesting fashion in his column
within the last few years.

And it should be noted that Elo's research first appeared in the
Journal of Gerontology.



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"Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)" wrote in message
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Ray Gordon wrote:

For what it's worth, I'm 39 years old and improving at a rate of
approximately 150 Elo points per year.


Thus you'll be a C player by the age of 49.
Then you'll decline.


Such a waste of a life.

I think that you're already 49 because
I don't see how you can decline (an
absolute impossibility).

****

Wlod



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