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Default Knight advancements is good or Bad?

Offramp wrote:

Here is my favourite game on the subject of Knight advancements is
good or bad.

[Event "Hoogovens"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee"]
[Date "1985.01.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Beliavsky, Alexander G"]
[Black "Nunn, John DM"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E81"]
[WhiteElo "2635"]
[BlackElo "2615"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "54"]
[EventDate "1985.01.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "13"]
[EventCountry "NED"]
[EventCategory "13"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.07.01"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 Nbd7 7. Qd2 c5
8. d5 (
8. Nge2 $1) 8... Ne5

A good position for the knight. But white can get rid of it by playing
the simple f4. But if he plays that immediately then the knight can go
Ne5-g4, so he decides to play h3 first.

9. h3 $6 Nh5 10. Bf2 $6 (10. f4 Ng3 $17) (10. Qf2 Qa5 11.
Bd2 (11. Rc1 b5 $5) 11... f5 12. exf5 (12. f4 fxe4 13. Nxe4 Qb6 $36)
12... Rxf5
13. g4 Nf4 14. Qg3 Ned3+ 15. Bxd3 Nxd3+ 16. Ke2 Nxb2 17. gxf5 Bxf5
$40) 10...
f5 11. exf5 Rxf5 $3 12. g4 Rxf3

...And by straining every sinew - and at the cost of a knight - black
has kept his knight at e5.

13. gxh5 Qf8 $17 14. Ne4 Bh6 15. Qc2 (15. Qe2
Nd3+ 16. Qxd3 Rxd3 17. Bxd3 Qf4) 15... Qf4 16. Ne2 (16. Nxf3 Nxf3+ 17.
Kd1 Bf5
18. Bd3 Nd4 19. Bxd4 Qf3+ $19) 16... Rxf2 $1 17. Nxf2 Nf3+ 18. Kd1 Qh4
$1 19.
Nd3 Bf5 20. Nec1 Nd2 $1 $19 21. hxg6 hxg6 22. Bg2 (22. b3 Qe4 23. Rg1
Qd4 $19)
(22. Qxd2 Bxd2 23. Kxd2 Qxc4 $40) 22... Nxc4 23. Qf2 Ne3+ 24. Ke2 Qc4
25. Bf3
Rf8 26. Rg1 Nc2 27. Kd1 Bxd3 0-1

An all-time great.


Letz agree to disagree on this one Alun - uh ?

While 18. ..Qh4 ! is certainment profundis - it is not enough to charter
this game "an all time great"... I've come across Dr Nunn before &
frankly don't quite like the cut of his jib & much prefer the games of
his eminent contemporary Jon Speelman... but in saying that Mr Nunn is
something of a problemist who loves to confect things - not unlike our
own "sd" Dowd - is not to do the worthy down.. no no no..

I've tried to find where I simplified this game (in the critical
arena..) but am unable to flack it in yer face right now -
notwithstanding that, it's plain to me that Mr Nunn was merely flaunting
his problematist skills to a rather supine Boleivsky (the guy was
probably suffering a huge hangover..) & as such, this game is nowhere
near being any sort of "all time great"..

m.
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micky wrote:

Offramp wrote:

Here is my favourite game on the subject of Knight advancements is
good or bad.

[Event "Hoogovens"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee"]
[Date "1985.01.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Beliavsky, Alexander G"]
[Black "Nunn, John DM"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E81"]
[WhiteElo "2635"]
[BlackElo "2615"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "54"]
[EventDate "1985.01.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "13"]
[EventCountry "NED"]
[EventCategory "13"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.07.01"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 Nbd7 7. Qd2 c5
8. d5 (
8. Nge2 $1) 8... Ne5

A good position for the knight. But white can get rid of it by playing
the simple f4. But if he plays that immediately then the knight can go
Ne5-g4, so he decides to play h3 first.

9. h3 $6 Nh5 10. Bf2 $6 (10. f4 Ng3 $17) (10. Qf2 Qa5 11.
Bd2 (11. Rc1 b5 $5) 11... f5 12. exf5 (12. f4 fxe4 13. Nxe4 Qb6 $36)
12... Rxf5
13. g4 Nf4 14. Qg3 Ned3+ 15. Bxd3 Nxd3+ 16. Ke2 Nxb2 17. gxf5 Bxf5
$40) 10...
f5 11. exf5 Rxf5 $3 12. g4 Rxf3

...And by straining every sinew - and at the cost of a knight - black
has kept his knight at e5.

13. gxh5 Qf8 $17 14. Ne4 Bh6 15. Qc2 (15. Qe2
Nd3+ 16. Qxd3 Rxd3 17. Bxd3 Qf4) 15... Qf4 16. Ne2 (16. Nxf3 Nxf3+ 17.
Kd1 Bf5
18. Bd3 Nd4 19. Bxd4 Qf3+ $19) 16... Rxf2 $1 17. Nxf2 Nf3+ 18. Kd1 Qh4
$1 19.
Nd3 Bf5 20. Nec1 Nd2 $1 $19 21. hxg6 hxg6 22. Bg2 (22. b3 Qe4 23. Rg1
Qd4 $19)
(22. Qxd2 Bxd2 23. Kxd2 Qxc4 $40) 22... Nxc4 23. Qf2 Ne3+ 24. Ke2 Qc4
25. Bf3
Rf8 26. Rg1 Nc2 27. Kd1 Bxd3 0-1

An all-time great.


Letz agree to disagree on this one Alun - uh ?

While 18. ..Qh4 ! is certainment profundis - it is not enough to charter
this game "an all time great"... I've come across Dr Nunn before &
frankly don't quite like the cut of his jib & much prefer the games of
his eminent contemporary Jon Speelman... but in saying that Mr Nunn is
something of a problemist who loves to confect things - not unlike our
own "sd" Dowd - is not to do the worthy down.. no no no..

I've tried to find where I simplified this game (in the critical
arena..) but am unable to flack it in yer face right now -
notwithstanding that, it's plain to me that Mr Nunn was merely flaunting
his problematist skills to a rather supine Boleivsky (the guy was
probably suffering a huge hangover..) & as such, this game is nowhere
near being any sort of "all time great"..

m.


The thing I liked most about the Bayern Munich / Manchester United game
was the way No 10 = Robben scored the winning goal - I mean MU did not
deserve to win this game after missing two (too) 2 clear shots @ goal
....

I found Robben very creepy, with his little red boots und dedication ! a
total natzi - that's wot I thot..

m.
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On Apr 8, 7:37*am, micky wrote:
Offramp wrote:

Here is my favourite game on the subject of Knight advancements is
good or bad.


[Event "Hoogovens"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee"]
[Date "1985.01.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Beliavsky, Alexander G"]
[Black "Nunn, John DM"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E81"]
[WhiteElo "2635"]
[BlackElo "2615"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "54"]
[EventDate "1985.01.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "13"]
[EventCountry "NED"]
[EventCategory "13"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.07.01"]


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 Nbd7 7. Qd2 c5
8. d5 (
8. Nge2 $1) 8... Ne5


A good position for the knight. But white can get rid of it by playing
the simple f4. But if he plays that immediately then the knight can go
Ne5-g4, so he decides to play h3 first.


9. h3 $6 Nh5 10. Bf2 $6 (10. f4 Ng3 $17) (10. Qf2 Qa5 11.
Bd2 (11. Rc1 b5 $5) 11... f5 12. exf5 (12. f4 fxe4 13. Nxe4 Qb6 $36)
12... Rxf5
13. g4 Nf4 14. Qg3 Ned3+ 15. Bxd3 Nxd3+ 16. Ke2 Nxb2 17. gxf5 Bxf5
$40) 10...
f5 11. exf5 Rxf5 $3 12. g4 Rxf3


...And by straining every sinew - and at the cost of a knight - black
has kept his knight at e5.


13. gxh5 Qf8 $17 14. Ne4 Bh6 15. Qc2 (15. Qe2
Nd3+ 16. Qxd3 Rxd3 17. Bxd3 Qf4) 15... Qf4 16. Ne2 (16. Nxf3 Nxf3+ 17.
Kd1 Bf5
18. Bd3 Nd4 19. Bxd4 Qf3+ $19) 16... Rxf2 $1 17. Nxf2 Nf3+ 18. Kd1 Qh4
$1 19.
Nd3 Bf5 20. Nec1 Nd2 $1 $19 21. hxg6 hxg6 22. Bg2 (22. b3 Qe4 23. Rg1
Qd4 $19)
(22. Qxd2 Bxd2 23. Kxd2 Qxc4 $40) 22... Nxc4 23. Qf2 Ne3+ 24. Ke2 Qc4
25. Bf3
Rf8 26. Rg1 Nc2 27. Kd1 Bxd3 0-1


An all-time great.


Letz agree to disagree on this one Alun - uh ?

While 18. ..Qh4 ! is certainment profundis - it is not enough to charter
this game "an all time great"... I've come across Dr Nunn before &
frankly don't quite like the cut of his jib & much prefer the games of
his eminent contemporary Jon Speelman... but in saying that Mr Nunn is
something of a problemist who loves to confect things - not unlike our
own "sd" Dowd - is not to do the worthy down.. no no no..

I've tried to find where I simplified this game (in the critical
arena..) but am unable to flack it in yer face right now -
notwithstanding that, it's plain to me that Mr Nunn was merely flaunting
his problematist skills to a rather supine Boleivsky (the guy was
probably suffering a huge hangover..) & as such, this game is nowhere
near being any sort of "all time great"..

m.


This post reminds me of the movie Blazing Saddles where a rousing
speech is praised for being "good old-fashioned Western gibberish."

SBD
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On Apr 8, 7:35*pm, sd wrote:
On Apr 8, 7:37*am, micky wrote:





Offramp wrote:


Here is my favourite game on the subject of Knight advancements is
good or bad.


[Event "Hoogovens"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee"]
[Date "1985.01.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Beliavsky, Alexander G"]
[Black "Nunn, John DM"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E81"]
[WhiteElo "2635"]
[BlackElo "2615"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "54"]
[EventDate "1985.01.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "13"]
[EventCountry "NED"]
[EventCategory "13"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.07.01"]


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 Nbd7 7. Qd2 c5
8. d5 (
8. Nge2 $1) 8... Ne5


A good position for the knight. But white can get rid of it by playing
the simple f4. But if he plays that immediately then the knight can go
Ne5-g4, so he decides to play h3 first.


9. h3 $6 Nh5 10. Bf2 $6 (10. f4 Ng3 $17) (10. Qf2 Qa5 11.
Bd2 (11. Rc1 b5 $5) 11... f5 12. exf5 (12. f4 fxe4 13. Nxe4 Qb6 $36)
12... Rxf5
13. g4 Nf4 14. Qg3 Ned3+ 15. Bxd3 Nxd3+ 16. Ke2 Nxb2 17. gxf5 Bxf5
$40) 10...
f5 11. exf5 Rxf5 $3 12. g4 Rxf3


...And by straining every sinew - and at the cost of a knight - black
has kept his knight at e5.


13. gxh5 Qf8 $17 14. Ne4 Bh6 15. Qc2 (15. Qe2
Nd3+ 16. Qxd3 Rxd3 17. Bxd3 Qf4) 15... Qf4 16. Ne2 (16. Nxf3 Nxf3+ 17..
Kd1 Bf5
18. Bd3 Nd4 19. Bxd4 Qf3+ $19) 16... Rxf2 $1 17. Nxf2 Nf3+ 18. Kd1 Qh4
$1 19.
Nd3 Bf5 20. Nec1 Nd2 $1 $19 21. hxg6 hxg6 22. Bg2 (22. b3 Qe4 23. Rg1
Qd4 $19)
(22. Qxd2 Bxd2 23. Kxd2 Qxc4 $40) 22... Nxc4 23. Qf2 Ne3+ 24. Ke2 Qc4
25. Bf3
Rf8 26. Rg1 Nc2 27. Kd1 Bxd3 0-1


An all-time great.


Letz agree to disagree on this one Alun - uh ?


While 18. ..Qh4 ! is certainment profundis - it is not enough to charter
this game "an all time great"... I've come across Dr Nunn before &
frankly don't quite like the cut of his jib & much prefer the games of
his eminent contemporary Jon Speelman... but in saying that Mr Nunn is
something of a problemist who loves to confect things - not unlike our
own "sd" Dowd - is not to do the worthy down.. no no no..


I've tried to find where I simplified this game (in the critical
arena..) but am unable to flack it in yer face right now -
notwithstanding that, it's plain to me that Mr Nunn was merely flaunting
his problematist skills to a rather supine Boleivsky (the guy was
probably suffering a huge hangover..) & as such, this game is nowhere
near being any sort of "all time great"..


m.


This post reminds me of the movie Blazing Saddles where a rousing
speech is praised for being "good old-fashioned Western gibberish."


Here's the very scene, Steve:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U
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On Apr 8, 5:37*am, micky wrote:
Offramp wrote:

Here is my favourite game on the subject of Knight advancements is
good or bad.


[Event "Hoogovens"]
[Site "Wijk aan Zee"]
[Date "1985.01.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Beliavsky, Alexander G"]
[Black "Nunn, John DM"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E81"]
[WhiteElo "2635"]
[BlackElo "2615"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "54"]
[EventDate "1985.01.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "13"]
[EventCountry "NED"]
[EventCategory "13"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.07.01"]


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Be3 Nbd7 7. Qd2 c5
8. d5 (
8. Nge2 $1) 8... Ne5


A good position for the knight. But white can get rid of it by playing
the simple f4. But if he plays that immediately then the knight can go
Ne5-g4, so he decides to play h3 first.


9. h3 $6 Nh5 10. Bf2 $6 (10. f4 Ng3 $17) (10. Qf2 Qa5 11.
Bd2 (11. Rc1 b5 $5) 11... f5 12. exf5 (12. f4 fxe4 13. Nxe4 Qb6 $36)
12... Rxf5
13. g4 Nf4 14. Qg3 Ned3+ 15. Bxd3 Nxd3+ 16. Ke2 Nxb2 17. gxf5 Bxf5
$40) 10...
f5 11. exf5 Rxf5 $3 12. g4 Rxf3


...And by straining every sinew - and at the cost of a knight - black
has kept his knight at e5.


13. gxh5 Qf8 $17 14. Ne4 Bh6 15. Qc2 (15. Qe2
Nd3+ 16. Qxd3 Rxd3 17. Bxd3 Qf4) 15... Qf4 16. Ne2 (16. Nxf3 Nxf3+ 17.
Kd1 Bf5
18. Bd3 Nd4 19. Bxd4 Qf3+ $19) 16... Rxf2 $1 17. Nxf2 Nf3+ 18. Kd1 Qh4
$1 19.
Nd3 Bf5 20. Nec1 Nd2 $1 $19 21. hxg6 hxg6 22. Bg2 (22. b3 Qe4 23. Rg1
Qd4 $19)
(22. Qxd2 Bxd2 23. Kxd2 Qxc4 $40) 22... Nxc4 23. Qf2 Ne3+ 24. Ke2 Qc4
25. Bf3
Rf8 26. Rg1 Nc2 27. Kd1 Bxd3 0-1


An all-time great.


Letz agree to disagree on this one Alun - uh ?

While 18. ..Qh4 ! is certainment profundis - it is not enough to charter
this game "an all time great"... I've come across Dr Nunn before &
frankly don't quite like the cut of his jib & much prefer the games of
his eminent contemporary Jon Speelman... but in saying that Mr Nunn is
something of a problemist who loves to confect things - not unlike our
own "sd" Dowd - is not to do the worthy down.. no no no..

I've tried to find where I simplified this game (in the critical
arena..) but am unable to flack it in yer face right now -
notwithstanding that, it's plain to me that Mr Nunn was merely flaunting
his problematist skills to a rather supine Boleivsky (the guy was
probably suffering a huge hangover..) & as such, this game is nowhere
near being any sort of "all time great"..

m.



I think you're in a minority here; Belyavsky-Nunn was voted the best
game in Informant 39. That doesn't necessarily make it an "all-time
great," but it carries more weight than the opinions of amateurs.


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jkh001 wrote:
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I think you're in a minority here; Belyavsky-Nunn was voted the best
game in Informant 39. That doesn't necessarily make it an "all-time
great," but it carries more weight than the opinions of amateurs.


What was the "best game" voted in I. 41 - do you know John ? but
regardless of that & also my endangered status - I believe I nowhere
rubbished Dr Nunn's travails - indeed, found his efforts in the game in
question very good, wonderful & not a little excellent - just not quite
"great" in the all time sense as commonly understood & as hyped by the
original poster - but I see we might also be in some sort of agreement
here ?

Incidentally, I also see TK has got one of his predictable utube links
"up" referencing some blazing-saddles/lonesome-cowboy scenario - this is
all very well - but I'm sure the "last" had mucho masturbation init - no
?

...und so it goes

m.
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On Apr 9, 6:27*am, micky

Incidentally, I also see TK has got one of his predictable utube links
"up" referencing some blazing-saddles/lonesome-cowboy scenario -


Mick, I did that because Steve Dowd mentioned the scene, and I
thought that readers who had never seen the movie might like to know
what he was talking about.

this is
all very well - but I'm sure the "last" had mucho masturbation init


That was not addressed in "Blazing Saddles," which was concerned
more with bigger issues such as racism, labor-management relations,
the Mormon version of history, and spoofing Marlene Dietrich. However,
it did come up briefly in "Unforgiven" (1992).
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