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Old August 28th 04, 05:51 PM
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I'm trying to remember if a stalemate position in checkers is a loss
for the player unable to move on his turn. I think it is.

Would making stalemate a loss in chess be any better?
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Old August 28th 04, 09:07 PM
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Would making stalemate a loss in chess be any better?


No.

I think it would make the game much more conservative. It would
encourage people to play to pick off a pawn, and discourage people from
sacrificing pawns.

And it would make rook endings much less interesting.
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Old August 28th 04, 09:37 PM
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I'm trying to remember if a stalemate position in checkers is a loss
for the player unable to move on his turn. I think it is.


Yes it is.

Would making stalemate a loss in chess be any better?


Stalemate in checkers is totally different than stalemate in chess, because the
goals are totally different. In checkers, the goal is to give your opponents no
more move, either by capturing all his pieces or by immobilising them, in chess
the goal is to capture the opposite king. So comparing them is useless.

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Old August 29th 04, 01:01 AM
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I'm trying to remember if a stalemate position in checkers is a loss
for the player unable to move on his turn. I think it is.


Yes it is.

Would making stalemate a loss in chess be any better?


Stalemate in checkers is totally different than stalemate in chess,

because the
goals are totally different. In checkers, the goal is to give your

opponents no
more move, either by capturing all his pieces or by immobilising them, in

chess
the goal is to capture the opposite king. So comparing them is useless.


In Chess you cannot Capture the Opposite King except Checking or Checkmate.
It is illegal to capture the King unless you are playing Stupid Chess Game
of course. Stalemate in Checkers and Chess does shares a relevancy in
comparision. It impairs the opposition to the final gaming state as a
complete lost.


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Old August 29th 04, 01:54 AM
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In Chess you cannot Capture the Opposite King except Checking or

Checkmate.
It is illegal to capture the King unless you are playing Stupid Chess Game
of course.


In chess the objective is actually to capture your opponents king, the big
reason that you just have to surround them and not capture is that else your
opponent would have to make a totally irrelevant move after the checkmate ,
2nd reason is that in patzer games it could happen that somebody didn't see
his king was in check and would lose in a ridicolous way. But essentialy the
objective in chess is to capture the king of your opponents army.


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Old August 29th 04, 02:36 AM
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"bruno de baenst" wrote in message
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In Chess you cannot Capture the Opposite King except Checking or

Checkmate.
It is illegal to capture the King unless you are playing Stupid Chess

Game
of course.


In chess the objective is actually to capture your opponents king, the big
reason that you just have to surround them and not capture is that else

your
opponent would have to make a totally irrelevant move after the checkmate

,
2nd reason is that in patzer games it could happen that somebody didn't

see
his king was in check and would lose in a ridicolous way. But essentialy

the
objective in chess is to capture the king of your opponents army.


You announce Check or Checkmate before a King can be captured do you not?
That itself is good enough reason a King cannot be captured and anything
else is simply Chess Playing Rubbish.


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Old August 29th 04, 03:59 AM
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Would making stalemate a loss in chess be any better?


By definition: Stalemate in Standard Chess Game is a position arises when
there is no more legal Chess Move and the King is not in Check for a
concerning opponent. The outcome of such position is a Drawn Game.

Redefining Stalemate as a loss and therefore taking it out from assortment
of Drawing Chances is not acceptable by me. In this case, it would diminish
the strife and struggles of a player for a Stalemate immediately when the
state of a game becomes tentatively apparent. The winning side declares the
fake Win at that instance leaving no drawing hopes for the deserving side if
not a surprising come back.


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Old August 29th 04, 12:17 PM
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In Chess you cannot Capture the Opposite King except Checking or Checkmate.

But it -is- the goal. 'Mate' is nothing else than 'the player can't avoid
anymore that his king will be captured'.

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Old August 30th 04, 12:08 AM
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"Joost de Heer" wrote in message
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In Chess you cannot Capture the Opposite King except Checking or

Checkmate.

But it -is- the goal. 'Mate' is nothing else than 'the player can't avoid
anymore that his king will be captured'.


You misused the term capture of a King with other Chess Pieces. A captured
Chess Piece must be removed from the Chessboard while a King that was In
Check or Checkmate remained on the Chessboard. If you do not accept this I
suppose you'll accept Exchange of Kings as well then? I think the King
Capture is more accomodating in Checkers as you agreed with here in Chess
Game. Perhaps nobody would plays a Chess Game like Checkers Player?


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