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Old May 10th 04, 06:15 PM
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Default Please analyse:[B76] Sicilian Dragon Yugoslav Attack

[Event "Team match"]
[Site "http://gameknot.com/chess.pl?bd=1642271"]
[Date "2004.04.30"]

[White "quixote"]
[Black "cicciospice"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1964"]
[BlackElo "1996"]
[TimeControl "1/259200"]
[Mode "ICS"]
[Termination "normal"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6
6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. Qe1 e5
11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. exd5 Nxd5 13. Bc4 Be6 14. Ne4 Qc7 15. Bc5 Rfd8
16. g4 Nf4 17. Qc3 Bd5 18. g5 Ne6 19. Be3 Nd4 20. h4 Rab8
21. h5 Qb7 22. b3 Nxf3 23. hxg6 hxg6 24. Nf6+ Bxf6 25. gxf6 Bxc4
26. Bd2 Rd3 27. Rh6 1-0


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Old May 10th 04, 08:43 PM
Antonio Torrecillas
 
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Default Please analyse:[B76] Sicilian Dragon Yugoslav Attack

En/na CiccioSPICE ha escrit:
[Event "Team match"]
[Site "http://gameknot.com/chess.pl?bd=1642271"]
[Date "2004.04.30"]
[White "quixote"]
[Black "cicciospice"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1964"]
[BlackElo "1996"]
[TimeControl "1/259200"]
[Mode "ICS"]
[Termination "normal"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6
6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. Qe1 e5
11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. exd5 Nxd5 13. Bc4 Be6 14. Ne4 Qc7 15. Bc5 Rfd8
16. g4 Nf4 17. Qc3 Bd5 18. g5 Ne6 19. Be3 Nd4 20. h4 Rab8
21. h5 Qb7 22. b3 Nxf3 23. hxg6 hxg6 24. Nf6+ Bxf6 25. gxf6 Bxc4
26. Bd2 Rd3 27. Rh6 1-0


26.Bd2 seems a fantastic move, ... but also a computer move.

nice combination, thanks
AT

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Old May 11th 04, 07:36 AM
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Default Please analyse:[B76] Sicilian Dragon Yugoslav Attack

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CiccioSPICE wrote:


A few off-the-cuff notes. Could easily be wrong. Take with grain of
salt, etc etc.

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6
6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. Qe1 e5
11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. exd5 Nxd5 13. Bc4 Be6 14. Ne4 Qc7


I know you want to break the pin, but it's worth at least considering
energetic ideas such as Rb8-- daring white to grab the pawn when the
open files on the qside could become dangerous.

15. Bc5 Rfd8


And again, without suggesting that it's unambigously the best move, you
should be considering the possibility of sacrificing the exchange on f8
here.

16. g4 Nf4


I find myself wondering where Rb8 has been for the last couple of moves.
I understand why the f4 square looks like a tempting home, but let me
ask you:

From f4, can it work with any of your other pieces to mount an attack?
Does it influence the center as much as it does on d5?

17. Qc3 Bd5 18. g5


Seems like white bails you out a bit here. Now Ne6 comes with increased
effectiveness, since on e3 the bishop's scope is limited. But at the
same time -- not knowing the theory of this line -- I'm not crazy about
all this minor-piece shuffling. The Yugoslav attack is all about time.
You've got a great open file to use against the white king, but instead
of using it you're giving him lots of time to create an open file
against your king.

I'd really look for an improvement someone in here along those lines.
Attack him! Make him respond to your threats! Instead he is able to
advance his pawns and paralyze your king position. You're always going
to have king issues when you let black swap off your king bishop for a
knight.

Ne6 19. Be3 Nd4 20. h4 Rab8
21. h5 Qb7 22. b3 Nxf3 23. hxg6 hxg6


23. fxg6 was worthy of consideration. It's hard to open that diagonal at
your king, but the open h-file is worse.

24. Nf6+ Bxf6 25. gxf6


I sort of suspect that it this point, you looked around for something to
add some defenses to your king, then, not finding anything, gave up and
said, "well, if I capture, he's got to recapture, right?"

Because it's hard to see what

Bxc4


does for you.

When I look at the position I'd love to get your knight or bishop
involved in the defense of the king. It's not easy but Nd4 and if he
allows it, Bf3-h5 is a start.


26. Bd2 Rd3 27. Rh6 1-0

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Old May 11th 04, 03:17 PM
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En/na CiccioSPICE ha escrit:

[Event "Team match"]
[Site "http://gameknot.com/chess.pl?bd=1642271"]
[Date "2004.04.30"]
[White "quixote"]
[Black "cicciospice"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1964"]
[BlackElo "1996"]
[TimeControl "1/259200"]
[Mode "ICS"]
[Termination "normal"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6
6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. Qe1 e5
11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. exd5 Nxd5 13. Bc4 Be6 14. Ne4 Qc7 15. Bc5 Rfd8
16. g4 Nf4 17. Qc3 Bd5 18. g5 Ne6 19. Be3 Nd4 20. h4 Rab8
21. h5 Qb7 22. b3 Nxf3 23. hxg6 hxg6 24. Nf6+ Bxf6 25. gxf6 Bxc4
26. Bd2 Rd3 27. Rh6 1-0


I'm interested in publishing the final combination, ...
can you help me with the names of the players or some additional info
like players rating or nationality?

thanks
AT

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Old May 11th 04, 11:35 PM
Antonio Torrecillas
 
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Default Please analyse:[B76] Sicilian Dragon Yugoslav Attack

En/na Mike Ogush ha escrit:
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6
6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. Qe1 e5
11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. exd5 Nxd5 13. Bc4 Be6 14. Ne4 Qc7
15. Bc5 Rfd8 16. g4 Nf4 17. Qc3 Bd5 18. g5 Ne6
19. Be3 Nd4 20. h4 Rab8 21. h5 Qb7 22. b3 Nxf3
23. hxg6 hxg6 24. Nf6+ Bxf6 25. gxf6 Bxc4 26. Bd2 Rd3


Here I assume that Black just missed the fact that if white could ever
play Rh8 with the rook protected it would be checkmate.

Black still may have a saving resource in 26...Qa3 if 27.Rh6 Qa3+
28.Kb1 (28.Qb2 Qxb2+ 29.Kxb2 Rxd2 30.Rdh1 Rh2 and black stops the mate
threat and will end with a piece to the good) 28...Nxd2+ 29.Rxd2 Bxb3
30.cxb3 Rxb3+ 31.axb3 Rxd2 32.Qxd2 Qxb3+ and I could not find a way
for white to both avoid perpetual check and hold on to the pawn at f6.
If white loses the pawn at f6 even if he wins one of Black's in trade
is an interesting position. Black would be trying to trade queens and
show that four pawns are better than a lone rook.

27. Rh6 1-0


As I said, I suppose white 26.Bd2 is a computer suggestion.
(you know, correspondence chess is different today)

After your try 26...Qa6 there is a nice line:

26.... Qa6 27.Qe3!! g5 28.Qf3 Qa3 29.Kb1 Bd3! 30.Ka1!! winning
(nice and enough, isn't it?)

AT



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En/na Antonio Torrecillas ha escrit:

As I said, I suppose white 26.Bd2 is a computer suggestion.
(you know, correspondence chess is different today)

After your try 26...Qa6 there is a nice line:

26.... Qa6 27.Qe3!! g5 28.Qf3 Qa3 29.Kb1 Bd3! 30.Ka1!! winning
(nice and enough, isn't it?)

AT


Hello Mike,

I'm not as fast analizing, ... your clock is some minutes wrong and I
analized this line (with my computer advice) when receiving the game.

AT

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Old May 11th 04, 11:42 PM
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 17:15:19 GMT, CiccioSPICE
wrote:

[Event "Team match"]
[Site "http://gameknot.com/chess.pl?bd=1642271"]
[Date "2004.04.30"]

[White "quixote"]
[Black "cicciospice"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1964"]
[BlackElo "1996"]
[TimeControl "1/259200"]
[Mode "ICS"]
[Termination "normal"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6
6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. O-O-O d5 10. Qe1 e5
11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. exd5 Nxd5


Also possible is 12...cxd5 13.Bg5 Be6 14.Bc4 Qc7 (or 14...Qb6 or
14...Rb8) where Black sacrifices a pawn for open lines against Black's
king.

13. Bc4 Be6 14. Ne4 Qc7


An interesting possibility is 14...Rb8 which has been played three
times among the games I could find. The performance in the 3 games
of this move is a win for each side and one draw.

15. Bc5 Rfd8
16. g4 Nf4 17. Qc3 Bd5 18. g5 Ne6 19. Be3 Nd4 20. h4


This is the first deviation from practice. In the only game that
reached the position after Black's 19th White played 20.Kb1 and there
followed 20...Bxc4 21.Qxc4 Nxf3 and black eventually won.

In response to 20.h4 Black could play similarly to after 20.Kb1 e.g.,
20..Bxc4 and I think White has to take back: 21.Qxc4 and after
21...Nxf3 if 22.h5 then Rxd1+ 23.Rxd1 Nd4 24.hxg6 hxg6 25.Nf6+ Bxf6
26.gxf6 Rd8 and I think White does not have enough compensation for
the pawn deficit although Black still must be careful about letting
white get an attack down the h-file.

Rab8 21. h5 Qb7 22. b3 Nxf3 23. hxg6 hxg6


Given that White can play 24.Nf6+ Bxf6 {forced} 25.gxf6 and White will
have constant latent mate threats based on Rh8, it is better to take
back with the f-pawn. Then if 24.Nf6+ Bxf6 25.gxf6 Black's king is
safer and he can protect the h-pawn if need be by moving the bishop
out of the way.

24. Nf6+ Bxf6 25. gxf6 Bxc4
26. Bd2 Rd3


Here I assume that Black just missed the fact that if white could ever
play Rh8 with the rook protected it would be checkmate.

Black still may have a saving resource in 26...Qa3 if 27.Rh6 Qa3+
28.Kb1 (28.Qb2 Qxb2+ 29.Kxb2 Rxd2 30.Rdh1 Rh2 and black stops the mate
threat and will end with a piece to the good) 28...Nxd2+ 29.Rxd2 Bxb3
30.cxb3 Rxb3+ 31.axb3 Rxd2 32.Qxd2 Qxb3+ and I could not find a way
for white to both avoid perpetual check and hold on to the pawn at f6.
If white loses the pawn at f6 even if he wins one of Black's in trade
is an interesting position. Black would be trying to trade queens and
show that four pawns are better than a lone rook.

27. Rh6 1-0


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CiccioSPICE


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Antonio Torrecillas ha scritto in
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I'm interested in publishing the final combination, ...
can you help me with the names of the players or some additional info
like players rating or nationality?

thanks
AT

Quixote:


Real name: Brett
City: Hamilton
Country: New Zealand
Time zone: GMT+12
Age: 38
Gender: male
Homepage: none

Additional info: Tend to move most days in the evenings and if I'm not
about for a few days will endeavour to inform opponents - El Señor Don
Quixote

CiccioSPICE

Real name: Francesco Piantedosi
City: Naples
Country: Italy
Time zone: GMT+1
Age: 29
Gender: male
Homepage: none

Additional info: I'm an electronic engineer graduated at Naples University
"Federico II". I collaborate with web site www.robertograssi.net/scaccoweb
as a translator.


--
Saluti
CiccioSPICE

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Old May 12th 04, 10:56 PM
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En/na CiccioSPICE ha escrit:
Antonio Torrecillas ha scritto in
che:

I'm interested in publishing the final combination, ...
can you help me with the names of the players or some additional info
like players rating or nationality?

thanks
AT


Quixote:
(...)


Thank you again, Francesco

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Old May 13th 04, 09:04 PM
Antonio Torrecillas
 
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En/na Mike Ogush ha escrit:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:38:10 +0200, Antonio Torrecillas
wrote:

En/na Antonio Torrecillas ha escrit:

As I said, I suppose white 26.Bd2 is a computer suggestion.
(you know, correspondence chess is different today)

After your try 26...Qa6 there is a nice line:

26.... Qa6 27.Qe3!! g5 28.Qf3 Qa3 29.Kb1 Bd3! 30.Ka1!! winning
(nice and enough, isn't it?)

AT


Hello Mike,

I'm not as fast analizing, ... your clock is some minutes wrong and I
analized this line (with my computer advice) when receiving the game.

AT


Hello Antonio,

This is a nice continutation fully in keeping with White's plan of
using mate threats along the h-file that Black can only avoid with
large material loss.

As far as 20.Bd2 being a computer move, I am not convinced. When I
let Fritz analyze the position it does not find the refutation to all
of Black's responses until it reaches at least 12 ply in the analysis.
Furthermore I think that a human looking at the position would realize
that if White can either double rooks (or queen and rook) on the
h-file or can play Rh8+ Kxh8 Qh6+ he will mate Black in a few moves.
In this light moving the B from e3 so as to free that square for the
queen is likely to be promising as long as Black cannot either
checkmate White himself or obtain a perpetual check.


Those sort of moves are very difficult to see for humans (and more for
non professional players), of course I'm not sure of the use of
computers in that game, but this kind of "help" is generalized in most
cr or email games played in our computer times.

We can ask the other player (Francesco) about his perception.

Lastly, I am not sure what you mean regarding my clock being "some
minutes wrong". Could you please explain further?


You wrote your message at 0:42, and my reply was same day at 0:35 and
0:38. One posible explanation seems that your clock was some minutes
"advanced" because I checked mine and it was correct

Regards,
Mike Ogush


Greetings from Barcelona
Antonio

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