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Old June 3rd 04, 12:13 PM
Holbox
 
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Hi people,

I have played the Philidor Defense (sometimes the Philidor Counter Gambit)
against e4 for a long time

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 d6
3. d4 Nf6 (not Nd7 because it's plenty of traps focused on f7)

But I'm facing too many problems to get the Hanham Defered variation (as Old
King Indian Defense) because *everybody* exchanges at (on) e5.

4. dxe5 Nxe4
5. Qd5! (white is slightly better)


I'm starting to play the Sk(c)andinavian Defense in this way.

1.e4 d5
2 exd5 Qxd5
3.Nc3 Qa5
4.d4 Nf6
5.Nf3

I like to play here 5... Bf5 with the idea Bf5-h6-Bh7, in a forced case, but
...., how to avoid

6. g4 Bg6
7. Ne5 e6
8. h4

Or even

6. Bd2 Nbd7
7. Bc4 c6
8. Qe2 e6
9. d5! cxd5
10. Nxd5

Maybe 5...Bf5 is not a good move and I should go for

5... Bg5

and then the exchange for the white night.



What do you think about

5... c6
6. Ne5 Be6 (seems ugly)
.....


I would like to hear some opinions about this lines of playing.


Thx













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Old June 3rd 04, 02:39 PM
Luigi Caselli
 
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"Holbox" ha scritto nel messaggio
...

I'm starting to play the Sk(c)andinavian Defense in this way.

1.e4 d5
2 exd5 Qxd5
3.Nc3 Qa5
4.d4 Nf6
5.Nf3

I like to play here 5... Bf5 with the idea Bf5-h6-Bh7, in a forced case,

but
..., how to avoid

6. g4 Bg6
7. Ne5 e6
8. h4

Or even

6. Bd2 Nbd7
7. Bc4 c6
8. Qe2 e6
9. d5! cxd5
10. Nxd5

Maybe 5...Bf5 is not a good move and I should go for

5... Bg5

and then the exchange for the white night.



What do you think about

5... c6
6. Ne5 Be6 (seems ugly)


In my opinion the best move is 5...c6 because 6.Ne5 Be6 is playable (maybe a
bit ugly, but this is not so important) and gives Black a solid position.
The main line is 6.Bc4 Bf5 7.Bd2 e6 8.Qe2 [8.Nd5 Qd8 9.Nf6 is another
important variation] Bb4 [not 8...Nbd7? 9.d5! and White is better] with an
interesting position.

Luigi Caselli


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Old June 4th 04, 11:52 AM
Bjoern
 
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In article , "Holbox" wrote:

I'm starting to play the Sk(c)andinavian Defense in this way.

1.e4 d5
2 exd5 Qxd5
3.Nc3 Qa5
4.d4 Nf6
5.Nf3

I like to play here 5... Bf5 with the idea Bf5-h6-Bh7, in a forced case, but
...., how to avoid


I don't think h6 is usually necessary, every now and then it might be, but the
most dangerous white plans don't involve that. Oh, and don't forget that 5.Bd2
is a dangerous move by white (5...Bf5 6.Qf3), as 5...Bg4 6.f3 Bf5 7.g4 Bg6
8.f4 is rather dangerous. Also I'm not sure quite how dangerous 5...c6 6.Bd3
is for black. That's why some people employ the 4...c6 5.Nf3 Nf6 move order
(5.Bd2 Lf5).

6. g4 Bg6
7. Ne5 e6
8. h4


Presumably you mean some other line, 6...Bxg4 would surely be horrible for
white .

Or even

6. Bd2 Nbd7
7. Bc4 c6
8. Qe2 e6
9. d5! cxd5
10. Nxd5


That line can be avoided (as pointed out in another post) by playing e.g.
6...c6 7.Bc4 e6 9.Qe2 Bb4!. White has several interesting lines here, but as
far as I know black is okay in all of them.

Maybe 5...Bf5 is not a good move and I should go for

5... Bg5

and then the exchange for the white night.


5...Bf5 is a perfectly good move and 5...Bg4 is okay too, as far as I know.
However I believe it's not such a good idea to exchange the white knight, as
the black position would become too passive. Hence one has to be willing to
play such complicated lines as 6.h3 Bh5 7.g4 Bg6 8.Ne5.

What do you think about

5... c6
6. Ne5 Be6 (seems ugly)
.....


I think that's perfectly okay for black, the bishop on e6 is not a problem, as
black can just play g6 and Bg7.

--Björn
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Old June 5th 04, 04:56 AM
Socialista
 
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Hi Holbox, i think you was talking about something like:


Kasparov,G (2800) - Anand,V (2715) [B01]
New York Wch PCA (14), 1995

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qa5 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 c6 6.Ne5 Be6 7.Bd3 Nbd7
8.f4 g6 9.0-0 Bg7 10.Kh1 Bf5 11.Bc4 e6 12.Be2 h5 13.Be3 Rd8 14.Bg1 0-0

and now you must think about the c5! liberation

but 6... Be6 is solid, another option for white is 7.Bc4, but is not
big deal, ok ok Qa6 don´t look good, but you have very solid
position...

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qa5 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 c6 6.Ne5 Be6 7.Bc4 Bxc4
8.Nxc4 Qa6 9.Qe2 e6 10.Bf4 Nd5 11.Bd6 Nxc3 12.bxc3 Nd7 13.Bxf8 Kxf8
14.Nd6 Qxe2+ 15.Kxe2 b6 16.a4 Ke7 17.Ne4 c5 18.dxc5 f5 19.Nd2 Nxc5
20.a5 Rhc8 21.axb6 axb6 22.Rxa8 Rxa8 23.Rb1 Ra2 ½-½ Belov - Krivoshey
1999

About another g4 advance you can look:

Man2222 (C),G - Socialista (C)

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qa5 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 c6 6.Bc4 Bf5 7.Ne5 e6
8.g4 Bg6 9.h4

but don´t worry black can play:

9... Nbd7! 10.Nxd7 Nxd7 11.h5 Be4 12.Rh3 Bd5 13.Bd3 0-0-0 14.Bd2 Qb6
and it´s ok



Or even

6. Bd2 Nbd7
7. Bc4 c6
8. Qe2 e6
9. d5! cxd5
10. Nxd5


and here you can play:



Almasi,Z (2595) - Dautov,R (2625) [B01]
Int., 1994

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qa5 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 c6 6.Bc4 Bf5 7.Bd2 e6
8.Qe2

8... Bb4! 9.a3 Nbd7 10.0-0-0 Bxc3 11.Bxc3 Qc7 12.Ne5

and now you can play the interesting 12...b5!? :

12... b5 13.Bd3 0-0 14.Bxf5 exf5 15.Qf3 Nd5 16.Qxf5 Nxc3 17.Nxd7 Nxd1
18.Nxf8 Rxf8 19.Rxd1 Qxh2 ½-½

or you can play the more orthodox 12... Nxe5 (but i prefer the 12...
Nd5 order)


12... Nd5!? 13.Bd2 Nxe5 14.dxe5 0-0-0 15.g4 Bg6 16.f4 h5 17.h3 Qb6
18.Rhf1 hxg4 19.hxg4 Qc5 20.Bb3 Rh3 21.Rf3 Rdh8 22.Rdf1 Rh2 with good
counterplay

i don´t like 12... Nxe5 because of 13.dxe5 Nd5 and now the bishop go
to 14.Bd4! and you can´t castle.


Maybe 5...Bf5 is not a good move and I should go for

5... Bg4

and then the exchange for the white night.


I prefer Bf5 to Bg4, but if you play Bg4 you MUST eat the f3 knight...

I expect to help...

Saludos,
Jorge
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Old June 6th 04, 06:10 AM
Roman M. Parparov
 
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Holbox wrote:

I'm starting to play the Sk(c)andinavian Defense in this way.


1.e4 d5
2 exd5 Qxd5
3.Nc3 Qa5
4.d4 Nf6
5.Nf3


I have a patent for White which is
5.Nf3 Bf5 6.Bd2 c6 7.Ne4! Qc7 8.Nxf6+ gxf6 9.g3 and White has
transferred into a very good Nimzo-Flohr CK (with g2-g3) and Bd2
is a useful spare move he earned.

Scandinavian defense is a very bad opening for any player below
2100-2200 level, because it often forces black to hope that the lack
of weaknesses will compensate the development disadvantage and
giving up the initiative.

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Old June 22nd 04, 07:17 PM
Lazaro Munoz
 
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I did not know that there was a copyright on it. Or is it on
the swedish krone (which is also scandinavian)?

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:13:02 +0200, Holbox wrote:

Hi people,

....
I'm starting to play the Sk(c)andinavian Defense in this way.
I would like to hear some opinions about this lines of playing.

....


Thx


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Old June 24th 04, 12:48 AM
Geoff
 
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Many years ago Larry Evans said that the Scandinavian Defense (aka Center
Counter defense) was "better than its reputation". Anand played it against
Kasparov in a championship match and actually had a slight edge before
blowing it. Certainly it is fine at the club level and it is difficult for
White to avoid it.

Geoff
"Lazaro Munoz" wrote in message
news
I did not know that there was a copyright on it. Or is it on
the swedish krone (which is also scandinavian)?

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:13:02 +0200, Holbox wrote:

Hi people,

...
I'm starting to play the Sk(c)andinavian Defense in this way.
I would like to hear some opinions about this lines of playing.

...


Thx


--
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Old July 9th 04, 10:04 AM
David Richerby
 
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Geoff wrote:
Many years ago Larry Evans said that the Scandinavian Defense (aka
Center Counter defense) was "better than its reputation". Anand played
it against Kasparov in a championship match and actually had a slight
edge before blowing it. Certainly it is fine at the club level and it is
difficult for White to avoid it.


It's trivial to avoid if white doesn't play 1.e4 and impossible to avoid
if he does.


Dave.

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Old July 16th 04, 01:44 AM
Paul Gowder
 
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David Richerby wrote in message
It's trivial to avoid if white doesn't play 1.e4 and impossible to avoid
if he does.


The highly irksome thing to me is that it seems impossible to avoid
even as black as a transposition from some openings. I'm thinking
particularly of Alekhine's. I HATE to play the scandinavian, I love
alekhine's -- I strongly prefer combatative openings and like to start
early fights in the center. The scandinavian tends to put up no
resistance at all in my experience.

Yet -- 1. e4 Nf6 2. Nc3 seems to almost force 2. ... e4 and transpose
into the scandie. Admittedly, the less disadvantageous Nf6 version,
but still ugly.

Does anyone know any useful 2. ... moves in that line that avoid the
stupid scandinavian? I will not play 2. ... e5 and go into the ruy,
which I hate even more than the scandie. 2. ... Nc6 seems highly
unsatisfactory after 3. d4, to which black has really no adequate
response.

The only solution I can think of to save the thing is to try and slip
it into the french with 2. ... e6. ??

Thanks,
-Paul
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Old September 4th 04, 10:27 PM
Spencer R. Lower
 
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1.e4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e5 is a Vienna; a Ruy Lopez is no longer possible, though a 4
knights is.

2...d6 is another option, a Pirc.

2...d5 is the way to challenge White's play. Maybe you will feel better
about it if you think of it as a passive way for White to meet the Alekhine,
instead of calling it an SD.


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