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Old July 10th 04, 12:57 PM
Avanti
 
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A game played at all moves in 75mins thanks

Match, 08.07.2004

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 Bb4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qg4 Nxc3 6.Qxg7 Rf8 7.bxc3 Bxc3+ 8.Kd1
f6 9.Bh6 Rf7 10.Qg8+ Ke7 11.exf6+ Rxf6 12.Qg7+ Kd6 13.Bg5 Bxd4 14.Bxf6 Qxf6
15.Qg3+ Be5 16.Qa3+ c5 17.Rb1 Qxf2 18.Nf3 Nc6 19.c3 Qe3 20.Rc1 b6 21.Kc2
Nd4+ 22.Nxd4 Bxd4 23.Rd1 Ke7 24.Rd3 Qf2+ 25.Rd2 Qe3 26.Re2 Qf4 27.cxd4 Qxd4
28.Rd2 Qe5 29.Qf3 d5 30.Bd3 Bb7 31.Rf1 Qg7 32.Rdf2 Qd4 33.Qf7+ Kd6 34.Qxb7
Qa4+ 35.Kd2 Qb4+ 36.Kd1 Qa4+ 37.Bc2 Qd4+ 38.Ke1 Qc3+ 39.Kd1 Qa1+ 40.Kd2 Qd4+
41.Kc1 Qa1+ 42.Bb1 Qc3+ 43.Kd1 Qd4+ 44.Rd2 Qg4+ 45.Rf3 Rf8 46.h3 Qa4+ 47.Bc2
Qxa2 48.Rxf8 1-0





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Old July 10th 04, 03:02 PM
Mark S. Hathaway
 
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Avanti wrote:
A game played at all moves in 75mins thanks

Match, 08.07.2004

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 Bb4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qg4 Nxc3 6.Qxg7 Rf8 7.bxc3 Bxc3+ 8.Kd1
f6 9.Bh6 Rf7 10.Qg8+ Ke7 11.exf6+ Rxf6 12.Qg7+ Kd6 13.Bg5 Bxd4 14.Bxf6 Qxf6
15.Qg3+ Be5 16.Qa3+ c5 17.Rb1 Qxf2 18.Nf3 Nc6 19.c3 Qe3 20.Rc1 b6 21.Kc2
Nd4+ 22.Nxd4 Bxd4 23.Rd1 Ke7 24.Rd3 Qf2+ 25.Rd2 Qe3 26.Re2 Qf4 27.cxd4 Qxd4
28.Rd2 Qe5 29.Qf3 d5 30.Bd3 Bb7 31.Rf1 Qg7 32.Rdf2 Qd4 33.Qf7+ Kd6 34.Qxb7
Qa4+ 35.Kd2 Qb4+ 36.Kd1 Qa4+ 37.Bc2 Qd4+ 38.Ke1 Qc3+ 39.Kd1 Qa1+ 40.Kd2 Qd4+
41.Kc1 Qa1+ 42.Bb1 Qc3+ 43.Kd1 Qd4+ 44.Rd2 Qg4+ 45.Rf3 Rf8 46.h3 Qa4+ 47.Bc2
Qxa2 48.Rxf8 1-0


Who FIDE
White 1500
Black 1700

Reasons:

White played "typical" control the center moves
at the start, but couldn't stay on course and had
it all crumble, in exchange for tactics which he
couldn't make work.

Black played for things which might win (good),
but then didn't quite finish off before flinching
and playing a bunch of defense quite inefficiently.


Indicators of where they went off track:

White should've played 7. a3 Ba5 8. Bd2 (I think)
Black should've played 8...Bxd1 9. Bh6 Qe7


Of course, all this is my opinion. :-)
YMMV

Oh, my rating is USCF 2119, former NM.
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Old July 10th 04, 04:06 PM
Avanti
 
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"Mark S. Hathaway" wrote in message
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Avanti wrote:
A game played at all moves in 75mins thanks

Match, 08.07.2004

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 Bb4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qg4 Nxc3 6.Qxg7 Rf8 7.bxc3 Bxc3+

8.Kd1
f6 9.Bh6 Rf7 10.Qg8+ Ke7 11.exf6+ Rxf6 12.Qg7+ Kd6 13.Bg5 Bxd4 14.Bxf6

Qxf6
15.Qg3+ Be5 16.Qa3+ c5 17.Rb1 Qxf2 18.Nf3 Nc6 19.c3 Qe3 20.Rc1 b6 21.Kc2
Nd4+ 22.Nxd4 Bxd4 23.Rd1 Ke7 24.Rd3 Qf2+ 25.Rd2 Qe3 26.Re2 Qf4 27.cxd4

Qxd4
28.Rd2 Qe5 29.Qf3 d5 30.Bd3 Bb7 31.Rf1 Qg7 32.Rdf2 Qd4 33.Qf7+ Kd6

34.Qxb7
Qa4+ 35.Kd2 Qb4+ 36.Kd1 Qa4+ 37.Bc2 Qd4+ 38.Ke1 Qc3+ 39.Kd1 Qa1+ 40.Kd2

Qd4+
41.Kc1 Qa1+ 42.Bb1 Qc3+ 43.Kd1 Qd4+ 44.Rd2 Qg4+ 45.Rf3 Rf8 46.h3 Qa4+

47.Bc2
Qxa2 48.Rxf8 1-0


Who FIDE
White 1500
Black 1700

Reasons:

White played "typical" control the center moves
at the start, but couldn't stay on course and had
it all crumble, in exchange for tactics which he
couldn't make work.

Black played for things which might win (good),
but then didn't quite finish off before flinching
and playing a bunch of defense quite inefficiently.


Indicators of where they went off track:

White should've played 7. a3 Ba5 8. Bd2 (I think)
Black should've played 8...Bxd1 9. Bh6 Qe7


Of course, all this is my opinion. :-)
YMMV

Oh, my rating is USCF 2119, former NM.


Thanks Mark, any more offers?
No prizes for guessing, and it wasn't me playing.


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Old July 10th 04, 05:41 PM
Mark S. Hathaway
 
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Avanti wrote:
"Mark S. Hathaway" wrote in message
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Avanti wrote:

A game played at all moves in 75mins thanks

Match, 08.07.2004

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 Bb4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qg4 Nxc3
6.Qxg7 Rf8 7.bxc3 Bxc3+ 8.Kd1 f6 9.Bh6 Rf7
10.Qg8+ Ke7 11.exf6+ Rxf6 12.Qg7+ Kd6 13.Bg5 Bxd4
14.Bxf6 Qxf6 15.Qg3+ Be5 16.Qa3+ c5 17.Rb1 Qxf2
18.Nf3 Nc6 19.c3 Qe3 20.Rc1 b6 21.Kc2 Nd4+
22.Nxd4 Bxd4 23.Rd1 Ke7 24.Rd3 Qf2+ 25.Rd2 Qe3
26.Re2 Qf4 27.cxd4 Qxd4 28.Rd2 Qe5 29.Qf3 d5
30.Bd3 Bb7 31.Rf1 Qg7 32.Rdf2 Qd4 33.Qf7+ Kd6
34.Qxb7 Qa4+ 35.Kd2 Qb4+ 36.Kd1 Qa4+ 37.Bc2 Qd4+
38.Ke1 Qc3+ 39.Kd1 Qa1+ 40.Kd2 Qd4+ 41.Kc1 Qa1+
42.Bb1 Qc3+ 43.Kd1 Qd4+ 44.Rd2 Qg4+ 45.Rf3 Rf8
46.h3 Qa4+ 47.Bc2 Qxa2 48.Rxf8
1-0


Who FIDE
White 1500
Black 1700

Reasons:

White played "typical" control the center moves
at the start, but couldn't stay on course and had
it all crumble, in exchange for tactics which he
couldn't make work.

Black played for things which might win (good),
but then didn't quite finish off before flinching
and playing a bunch of defense quite inefficiently.


Indicators of where they went off track:

White should've played 7. a3 Ba5 8. Bd2 (I think)
Black should've played 8...Bxd1 9. Bh6 Qe7


Of course, all this is my opinion. :-)
YMMV

Oh, my rating is USCF 2119, former NM.



Thanks Mark, any more offers?
No prizes for guessing, and it wasn't me playing.



Actually, I've been having second thoughts. After I
posted I had this nagging feeling something wasn't
quite right. What I figured out was that I had been
thinking of the position as akin to the Sicilian Pin Var.
but it's not quite the same. After 8...Bxa1 there is
9. Bg5 and Black doesn't have the typical ...Qa5. So,
this detail changes quite a lot. Mea culpa!

I still don't care for Black's opening choice, but I
have to give credit to the reality that Black did well
and ignore that it doesn't look like something I'd
play.

White master
Black master

I won't say precisely how strong because, once I
discount the supposed error of above, I think they
played "correctly". However, one can fault their
strategy and their go-for-all plans if one wants.
I don't know the situation where they played, so
I don't know how much was on the line.
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Old July 10th 04, 07:59 PM
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"Mark S. Hathaway" wrote in message ...
Avanti wrote:
A game played at all moves in 75mins thanks

Match, 08.07.2004

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 Bb4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qg4 Nxc3 6.Qxg7 Rf8 7.bxc3 Bxc3+ 8.Kd1
f6 9.Bh6 Rf7 10.Qg8+ Ke7 11.exf6+ Rxf6 12.Qg7+ Kd6 13.Bg5 Bxd4 14.Bxf6 Qxf6
15.Qg3+ Be5 16.Qa3+ c5 17.Rb1 Qxf2 18.Nf3 Nc6 19.c3 Qe3 20.Rc1 b6 21.Kc2
Nd4+ 22.Nxd4 Bxd4 23.Rd1 Ke7 24.Rd3 Qf2+ 25.Rd2 Qe3 26.Re2 Qf4 27.cxd4 Qxd4
28.Rd2 Qe5 29.Qf3 d5 30.Bd3 Bb7 31.Rf1 Qg7 32.Rdf2 Qd4 33.Qf7+ Kd6 34.Qxb7
Qa4+ 35.Kd2 Qb4+ 36.Kd1 Qa4+ 37.Bc2 Qd4+ 38.Ke1 Qc3+ 39.Kd1 Qa1+ 40.Kd2 Qd4+
41.Kc1 Qa1+ 42.Bb1 Qc3+ 43.Kd1 Qd4+ 44.Rd2 Qg4+ 45.Rf3 Rf8 46.h3 Qa4+ 47.Bc2
Qxa2 48.Rxf8 1-0


Who FIDE
White 1500
Black 1700

Reasons:

White played "typical" control the center moves
at the start, but couldn't stay on course and had
it all crumble, in exchange for tactics which he
couldn't make work.

Black played for things which might win (good),
but then didn't quite finish off before flinching
and playing a bunch of defense quite inefficiently.


Indicators of where they went off track:

White should've played 7. a3 Ba5 8. Bd2 (I think)
Black should've played 8...Bxd1 9. Bh6 Qe7


Of course, all this is my opinion. :-)
YMMV

Oh, my rating is USCF 2119, former NM.


I'd say they were both 1400 max - 8....f6?

8.....Bxa1 then if white wants to continue with his attack idea
9.Bh6,Qe7
10. Qxh7,Bxd4 11.Bxf8,Qxf8 or possibly 11. f4,Nc6 or 11 Nf3,Qb4 and
there is maybe an outside chance of a King side pawn roller for white
but probably not quick enough to muster before black gets his superior
material into position (he can always counter sacrifice at will).
Maybe I missed something big, but it looks like the inciative is all
black. The games over before 10 moves. Therefore, I do no not think
these two players really knew what they were doing. I hope I do not
offend.

Scorsi


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Old July 10th 04, 11:06 PM
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En/na Scorsi ha escrit:

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 Bb4 4.e5 Ne4 5.Qg4 Nxc3 6.Qxg7 Rf8 7.bxc3 Bxc3+ 8.Kd1
f6 9.Bh6 Rf7 10.Qg8+ Ke7 11.exf6+ Rxf6 12.Qg7+ Kd6 13.Bg5 Bxd4 14.Bxf6 Qxf6
15.Qg3+ Be5 16.Qa3+ c5 17.Rb1 Qxf2 18.Nf3 Nc6 19.c3 Qe3 20.Rc1 b6 21.Kc2
Nd4+ 22.Nxd4 Bxd4 23.Rd1 Ke7 24.Rd3 Qf2+ 25.Rd2 Qe3 26.Re2 Qf4 27.cxd4 Qxd4
28.Rd2 Qe5 29.Qf3 d5 30.Bd3 Bb7 31.Rf1 Qg7 32.Rdf2 Qd4 33.Qf7+ Kd6 34.Qxb7
Qa4+ 35.Kd2 Qb4+ 36.Kd1 Qa4+ 37.Bc2 Qd4+ 38.Ke1 Qc3+ 39.Kd1 Qa1+ 40.Kd2 Qd4+
41.Kc1 Qa1+ 42.Bb1 Qc3+ 43.Kd1 Qd4+ 44.Rd2 Qg4+ 45.Rf3 Rf8 46.h3 Qa4+ 47.Bc2
Qxa2 48.Rxf8 1-0



I'd say they were both 1400 max - 8....f6?

8.....Bxa1 then if white wants to continue with his attack idea
9.Bh6,Qe7 (...)
Maybe I missed something big, but it looks like the inciative is all
black. The games over before 10 moves. Therefore, I do no not think
these two players really knew what they were doing. I hope I do not
offend.

Scorsi


Hello,

Mr Scorsi, after 8...Bxa1 white can play 9.Bg5! with unclear play
..............

my bet ... 1600-1800 players??

AT

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Old July 11th 04, 11:08 AM
Avanti
 
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Well they are actually 110 BCF which I think is 1800, it was interesting to
read the comments of the game compared with one of the players own review,
with black losing the plot when playing Bg4 and not getting an early d5 in.
I felt that the game was a bunny fight both players are higher rated than
me, but I am confident I would consistently beat them now.
Thanks for all the comment received.


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