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Should Steve Rosenberg be kicked out of the USCF?

Turns out that the Steve Rosenberg problem is much bigger than anybody
realized at first.

Steve Rosenberg was caught cheating at the World Open Under-2000
Section held in Philadelphia, June 28 to July 4, 2006. It was
discovered as the tournament was concluding that he was wearing
headphones and underneath he was wearing a supposed hearing aid.
However, the hearing aid had an antenna and when a tournament director
seized it, it was discovered not to be a hearing aid at all, but an
audio reception device.

Up until this point, Steve Rosenberg was leading the tournament with a
score of 7.5 in 8 rounds. Had he been declared the winner of the final
game, he could have received a $25,000 first prize.

Instead, his results were stricken entirely from the tournament
scores. All seven of the opponents he defeated were given half-point
byes. The one player he drew plus his last round opponent was given a
forfeit win. Those two players ended up tied for first place and each
won $13,258.50.

Here are the final standings. Please do not confuse Mark Rosenberg,
who is from New York, with Steve Rosenberg, who is from Michigan.

http://www.worldopen.com/2006Results/20.html

Note that the top two players each have a forfeit win WF in their
cross-table. These are forfeit wins against Steve Rosenberg.

Now, to see who Steve Rosenberg played, go he

http://www.worldopen.com/2006Results/20-7.html

As you can see, Steve Rosenberg is listed as number four. In round 3
he defeated 27 Michael Kats. In round 4 he defeated 26 Corbin Yu.

Now, go back to
http://www.worldopen.com/2006Results/20.html

Look for Michael Kats and Corbin Yu in those rounds and you will see
that they finished 17 and 20 and each was given a half-point bye for
those rounds.

By following this method, you can determine all the games played by
Steve Rosenberg, even though his results were stricken from the final
cross-table.

However, that is only the beginning of the Steve Rosenberg Problem.
The problem is much bigger than that.

Steve Rosenberg is a USCF Certified tournament director. He has
directed 200 USCF Rated tournaments. The results of many of these
tournaments are suspicious.

More than that, prior to the World Open, Steve Rosenberg played in
three tournaments in Michigan and won all his games, scoring 19-0 in
those three tournaments combined. Prior to this fantastic winning
streak, Steve Rosenberg was only rated 1731.

Now, get this. Here is the final kicker. Just prior to the World Open
Steve Rosenberg played in 31 USCF rated online tournaments and he was
also the director of all those tournaments and HE WON ALL 31
TOURNAMENTS !!!!!

Take a look at
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12480813

You will see 31 10 5 Quick Rated Tournaments (PA). Count them.

Now, click on any one of those 31 tournaments. Look to see who the
director was. You will see that the director was Steve Rosenberg.

Now, look to see who won the tournament. You will see that in every
case the tournament was won by Steve Rosenberg.

Now look at the tournament directing record for Steve Rosenberg, which
is at:
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtDir.php?12480813.1

You will see that Steve Rosenberg has directed 200 USCF rated
tournaments, almost all of which were won by Steve Rosenberg.

This is really unbelievable. I think the result is obvious.

Steve Rosenberg must be expelled from the United States Chess
Federation.

Sam Sloan
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"Sam Sloan" Should Steve Rosenberg be kicked out of the USCF?


He should be arrested and charged with fraud and theft by deception as he
was attempting to dishonestly win $25,000. He should also be permanently
banned from the USCF and blacklisted to all the other chess organizations.
His cheating should be widely documented in order to discourage others.


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"Sam Sloan" Should Steve Rosenberg be kicked out of the USCF?


He should be arrested and charged with fraud and theft by deception as he
was attempting to dishonestly win $25,000. He should also be permanently
banned from the USCF and blacklisted to all the other chess organizations.
His cheating should be widely documented in order to discourage others.


Of course it should be this way. I wonder why in such cases the police and
prosecutors are, as a rule, not involved ?


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Blind Frank wrote:

"Sam Sloan" Should Steve Rosenberg be kicked out of the USCF?


He should be arrested and charged with fraud and theft by deception as he
was attempting to dishonestly win $25,000.


True. Very true!

BTW, Zinedine Zidane should have been arrested on the spot
too after head butting Marco Materazzi. Anytime anybody hits
another person intentionally (except in the ring and similar), e.g.
hockey players, basketball players... they should be instantly
arrested. As it is now, the law is not applied equally to
everybody. Etc.

He should also be permanently banned from the USCF
and blacklisted to all the other chess organizations.
His cheating should be widely documented in order
to discourage others.


Why?! He fits the top layer of USCF. He should
run for a position like USCF president. He'd
have a good common understanding with Kirsan,
he'd continue the Campo's FIDE tradition.

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Sam Sloan wrote:
Now, get this. Here is the final kicker. Just prior to the World Open
Steve Rosenberg played in 31 USCF rated online tournaments and he was
also the director of all those tournaments and HE WON ALL 31
TOURNAMENTS !!!!!

Take a look at
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12480813

You will see 31 10 5 Quick Rated Tournaments (PA). Count them.

Now, click on any one of those 31 tournaments. Look to see who the
director was. You will see that the director was Steve Rosenberg.

Now, look to see who won the tournament. You will see that in every
case the tournament was won by Steve Rosenberg.


Not quite. Skimming quickly through the 31, it looks to me like
Rosenberg finished 2nd four times, and 4th once. He shared 1st place on
several occasions. Also at least one of the tournaments was directed
not by Rosenberg, but by a James T. Riker.
Even so, though, this still makes for a rather strong circumstantial
case. Rosenberg's quick rating rose about 300 points in little over a
year. Is there money to be won in these online tournaments?

Now look at the tournament directing record for Steve Rosenberg, which
is at:
http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtDir.php?12480813.1

You will see that Steve Rosenberg has directed 200 USCF rated
tournaments, almost all of which were won by Steve Rosenberg.

This is really unbelievable. I think the result is obvious.

Steve Rosenberg must be expelled from the United States Chess
Federation.


The development of various computer-assisted ways to cheat at
blackjack and other games of chance prompted big casinos to invest
millions in surveillance devices and other anti-cheating technology.
Few chess promoters have any budget for that sort of effort. I wonder
where this all will lead.



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"Blind Frank" wrote in message
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"Sam Sloan" Should Steve Rosenberg be kicked out of the USCF?


He should be arrested and charged with fraud and theft by deception as he
was attempting to dishonestly win $25,000. He should also be permanently
banned from the USCF and blacklisted to all the other chess organizations.
His cheating should be widely documented in order to discourage others.


I agree with your later points. I think that an independent assessor should
look at whatever he did and make a decision if he cheated, and he should be
thought innocent until proved guilty - but if guilty, no more rated chess in
this country! In the interim, a suspension from rated or monied chess
activity while the matter is investigated. Should he not comply with the
investigation the suspension should last as long as his non-compliance.

I don't know the legalitiy of this type of prosecution, but since the amount
of money is relatively small, the cost to prosecute it would be relatively
high if he contests it, and so will unlikely take place.

Are their contingencies at CCA or USCF for the treatment of cheaters, or
cheaters for money, or is there a case-by-case determination? Do you know if
players have to sign --stress an agreement to ethical play, or make advance
agreement to penalties for knowingly breaking the rules?

Phil Innes


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On 10 Jul 2006 05:52:04 -0700, "Taylor Kingston"
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The development of various computer-assisted ways to cheat at
blackjack and other games of chance prompted big casinos to invest
millions in surveillance devices and other anti-cheating technology.
Few chess promoters have any budget for that sort of effort.


One major difference: For the most part, the casino cheats are
robbing the *house*. The chess cheats are robbing the other
*players*.

I wonder
where this all will lead.

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Taylor Kingston wrote:
Mike Murray wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 05:52:04 -0700, "Taylor Kingston"
wrote:

The development of various computer-assisted ways to cheat at
blackjack and other games of chance prompted big casinos to invest
millions in surveillance devices and other anti-cheating technology.
Few chess promoters have any budget for that sort of effort.


One major difference: For the most part, the casino cheats are
robbing the *house*. The chess cheats are robbing the other
*players*.


Well, since casinos' income derives largely from unsuccessful
gamblers, it seems to amount pretty much to the same thing.
BTW, is Sloan's high dudgeon about Rosenberg a tad hypocritical? My
apologies if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall a claim here within the
last few years that Sloan consulted an opening book in the midst of
playing a game at some big open tournament. Not as egregious in degree,
but the same in kind as the Rosenberg allegations. Does anyone recall
such a thread?


This was a Neil Brennen fantasy which Taylor Kingston uses in one of
his regular efforts to attack me.

I was playing against a kid about 12 years old and I noticed a woman
following me about while the kid was in long thinks over his moves.

I asked who she was and she revealed that she was the kids mother.

She obviously knew nothing about chess because if she has known
anything about chess she would have known that the position in our game
which was some wild position starting with 1. g4 was completely unknown
to opening theory and did not resemble any known opening position.

Sam Sloan

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"samsloan" wrote

BTW, is Sloan's high dudgeon about Rosenberg a tad hypocritical? My
apologies if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall a claim here within the
last few years that Sloan consulted an opening book in the midst of
playing a game at some big open tournament. Not as egregious in degree,
but the same in kind as the Rosenberg allegations. Does anyone recall
such a thread?


This was a Neil Brennen fantasy which Taylor Kingston uses in one of
his regular efforts to attack me.

I was playing against a kid about 12 years old and I noticed a woman
following me about while the kid was in long thinks over his moves.

I asked who she was and she revealed that she was the kids mother.

She obviously knew nothing about chess because if she has known
anything about chess she would have known that the position in our game
which was some wild position starting with 1. g4 was completely unknown
to opening theory and did not resemble any known opening position.

Sam Sloan


Years ago at a NY High School event run by Bill G. I was playing a kid named
Lewis Cohen, a Collins Kid who was supposed to be a chess genius. Cohen,
playing white, put all his pieces on dark squares and traded his
white-squared bishop. I won a few pawns, then a few pieces. I traded down to
an ending about 5 pawns and 4 pieces ahead. Back in those days I got very
annoyed when opponents didnt resign. I was bored of the game so I began
leafing through a chess book I found on the seat next to me. After I won the
game Cohen's mother heckled me about reading "that Horowitz book" while I
was pummeling her poor bubbela.


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Kicking him out of the USCF is the least they should do. It would like it if he had to give back all of the prize money he won in Michigan, but that would be unrealistic. It would be nice if all of his rated games were removed from the records for the next rerate, since there should be no reasonable doubt that he cheated during his 19 game win streak in Michigan.
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