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Kramnik is not a perfect player and he has to have a weakness. So what
is his weakness and what kind of position do you have get into to beat
him? Is he not good tactically? Shirov beat in that match in 1998 in
sharp positions.

Topalov won 1 game by forfeit and he just won 1 game now. But it had
been a struggle for him. So what does he have to do win again ?

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Zero wrote:

Topalov won 1 game by forfeit and he just won 1 game now. But it had
been a struggle for him. So what does he have to do win again ?


Kramnik lost today because he willingly walked into Topa's home
preparation by playing
12 Bb5..13. Ne5

It is difficult (for me) to understand why he did it. It looked
suicidal since it was obvious
home prep in a sharp position thus the kind that a sane mind would
avoid. Maybe he too analyzed once this position, he also plays the
Meran, so he may have thought that he would handle it .Wrong idea.

Topa will win again if he has another such " homemade" strong, sharp,
new variation in store and Kramnik wants again to be the guinea pig for
it instead of simplifying.

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In article om,
"Zero" wrote:

Topalov won 1 game by forfeit and he just won 1 game now. But it had
been a struggle for him. So what does he have to do win again ?


Well, Topalov had a winning position in game one, and failed to
capitalize. He was also certainly not worse in game two, until a major
error cost him the game.

So, one might think that, to the contrary, he doesn't really have to
change anything - except he needs to stop missing opportunities late in
the game.

This isn't a case like the Kasparov-Kramnik match where it seemed like
Kramnik was in control the whole time (and his small lead in the score
seemed almost unsurmountable). Kramnik is very lucky not to be down by
a point, even ignoring the forfeit.

He's the one who should be concerned about his strategy. After today,
trying to draw out and claim that he's "really" won, protesting the
forfeit, doesn't sound so appealing.

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Ron wrote:

So, one might think that, to the contrary, he doesn't really have to
change anything -


This is Topalov's first victory in 8 games and it was due to a strong
opening novelty.
After 13..Qa5! Kramink was already in great difficulty and had to trade
rook and pawn for two knights , the rest was agony.
Kramink has been slowly outplayed Topa in the middle game and endgame
for most of the games so far but for the opening preparation Topalov
appears as better prepared.
Kramnik has in store only positional and drawish variations while Topa
has well studied at home sharp varitions and sacrifices.


Topa can not change anything, He has already tried as hard as he can in
all the last games and only ended up outplayed by Kramnik.[ see the 7th
one]
What he can do is to hope to catch again Kramnik off guard in the
opening as it happened today.

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So, one might think that, to the contrary, he doesn't really have to
change anything -


This is Topalov's first victory in 8 games and it was due to a strong
opening novelty.
After 13..Qa5! Kramink was already in great difficulty and had to trade
rook and pawn for two knights , the rest was agony.


What about 13...Qc7, which occurred in the game?

Thought that chess games weren't decided in the opening...


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Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot wrote:

Thought that chess games weren't decided in the opening...


perhaps you dont know much chess then, you have to survive the opening
so as to decide by better play the game later, this game saw a rare and
very sharp variation of Meran and Kramnik went for it seemingly
unprepared or badly prepared...while Topalov just bashed out his home
preparation

have a read at

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3405

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Thought that chess games weren't decided in the opening...


perhaps you dont know much chess then, you have to survive the opening
so as to decide by better play the game later,


You're preaching to the choir; I was being sarcastic.


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wrote:
Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot wrote:

Thought that chess games weren't decided in the opening...


perhaps you dont know much chess then


Ray, so now you know... openings are important. ;-)

Actually, Ray spends more time studying openings than most in the hopes
of becoming a grandmaster. Usually, people tell him he's studying chess
the wrong way--that openings are rarely as decisive as middlegames and
endgames. No doubt, he was happy to see a strong counter-example in
this world championship match.

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Actually, Ray spends more time studying openings than most in the hopes
of becoming a grandmaster. Usually, people tell him he's studying chess
the wrong way--that openings are rarely as decisive as middlegames and
endgames. No doubt, he was happy to see a strong counter-example in
this world championship match.



ok, it make sense now, that's what happen when an ignorant tries to be
sarcastic

about the game... it still puzzles me whether Kramnik just went for it
trusting his luck suicide like (not his style ) or he did get at home
the position at the move 22 and misjudged it ( supeficially judged it
as ok while in fact is very bad if not lost)
thus he played it out convinced that he would be ok

it wont be the first time, he did something similar in a game with Leko
in the 2002WCC

we will find out after the match

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Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot wrote:

Thought that chess games weren't decided in the opening...


perhaps you dont know much chess then


Ray, so now you know... openings are important. ;-)


NOW they tell me!!!


Actually, Ray spends more time studying openings than most in the hopes
of becoming a grandmaster. Usually, people tell him he's studying chess
the wrong way--that openings are rarely as decisive as middlegames and
endgames. No doubt, he was happy to see a strong counter-example in
this world championship match.


From what I gathered, the key mistake wasn't in allowing the "novelty," but
was several moves later (my computer pinpointed something around move 20-25
as the key error).

I don't see how any modern grandmaster would not have considered 13...Qc7 in
his preparation. Even if the move isn't in the books, the computers found
nothing wrong with it, and I see more and more moves like that, where
there's no real theory to speak of, and no real refutation to be found.
It's the type of move a computer finds, and I'm sure Topalov noticed this
(maybe by losing to it) and decided to pick it up.

Tomorrow's champions are going to need an approach to the opening that
doesn't leave them shellshocked with a minor deviation such at this.
Attacking the knight on e5 is certainly worth exploring, especially with the
aid of silicon.

As for the line chosen in general, these openings don't really lend
themselves to quick, smashing victories, but modern miniatures are more the
result of several superior moves played consecutively in the early
middlegame rather than anything terribly new in the opening.


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Money is not "game."
Looks are not "game."
Social status or value is not "game."
Those are the things that game makes unnecessary.

A seduction guru who teaches you that looks, money or status is game is not
teaching you "game," but how to be an AFC. He uses his students' money to
get women and laughs that "loser AFCs pay my rent."



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