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I (g8wrb as black) played a game on ICC which for once I won (I lose
about 55% and only win about 40%).

There was a potentially interesting move by my opponent at 30.Nd6 when
he attacked my rook on c8 with a knight. The rook could not move without
the loss of my bishop on c7. The bishop was pinned so could not move
without the loss of the rook.

I'd seen this threat and knew I had a good answer, so after 30...Bb6+ he
resigned.

But ignoring the fact I had the move 30..Bb6+, what would his tactic be
called? I don't think I have seen this sort of thing before.

[Event "ICC 30 20"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2006.10.14"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Uramunter"]
[Black "g8wrb"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ICCResult "White resigns"]
[WhiteElo "1460"]
[BlackElo "1325"]
[Opening "French: advance, Nimzovich system"]
[ECO "C02"]
[NIC "FR.03"]
[Time "20:37:33"]
[GameType "ICCStandard"]
[TimeControl "1800+20"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. c3 Nxe5 7. Bxd7+ Nxd7 8.
Bf4 cxd4 9. Qxd4 Qf6 10. Be5 Nxe5 11. Nxe5 b5 12. O-O Bd6 13. f4 Ne7 14. a4
Nf5 15. Ng4 Qxd4+ 16. cxd4 Nxd4 17. axb5 Nxb5 18. Ra4 O-O 19. Nd2 Rfc8 20.
Nf3 Rc4 21. Rxc4 dxc4 22. Nd2 c3 23. bxc3 Nxc3 24. Rf3 Ne2+ 25. Kf2 Nxf4 26.
Ne4 Bc7 27. Rc3 Rc8 28. Ne3 Nd5 29. Nxd5 exd5 30. Nd6 Bb6+ {White resigns}
0-1

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Dave (from the UK) wrote:
I (g8wrb as black) played a game on ICC which for once I won (I lose
about 55% and only win about 40%).

There was a potentially interesting move by my opponent at 30.Nd6 when
he attacked my rook on c8 with a knight. The rook could not move without
the loss of my bishop on c7. The bishop was pinned so could not move
without the loss of the rook.

I'd seen this threat and knew I had a good answer, so after 30...Bb6+ he
resigned.

But ignoring the fact I had the move 30..Bb6+, what would his tactic be
called? I don't think I have seen this sort of thing before.

[Event "ICC 30 20"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2006.10.14"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Uramunter"]
[Black "g8wrb"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ICCResult "White resigns"]
[WhiteElo "1460"]
[BlackElo "1325"]
[Opening "French: advance, Nimzovich system"]
[ECO "C02"]
[NIC "FR.03"]
[Time "20:37:33"]
[GameType "ICCStandard"]
[TimeControl "1800+20"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. c3 Nxe5 7. Bxd7+ Nxd7 8.
Bf4 cxd4 9. Qxd4 Qf6 10. Be5 Nxe5 11. Nxe5 b5 12. O-O Bd6 13. f4 Ne7 14. a4
Nf5 15. Ng4 Qxd4+ 16. cxd4 Nxd4 17. axb5 Nxb5 18. Ra4 O-O 19. Nd2 Rfc8 20.
Nf3 Rc4 21. Rxc4 dxc4 22. Nd2 c3 23. bxc3 Nxc3 24. Rf3 Ne2+ 25. Kf2 Nxf4 26.
Ne4 Bc7 27. Rc3 Rc8 28. Ne3 Nd5 29. Nxd5 exd5 30. Nd6 Bb6+ {White resigns}
0-1


The tactic is called "niederlegendezug," from the German phrase:
"ausgezeichnete niederlegende chancen." Which means, giving your
opponent "excellent resigning chances." (Literally, "excellent laying
down chances.")

I believe it was Steinitz who originated the phrase, but I can't recall
for sure.

Nice game!

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In article ,
"Dave (from the UK)"
wrote:

I (g8wrb as black) played a game on ICC which for once I won (I lose
about 55% and only win about 40%).

There was a potentially interesting move by my opponent at 30.Nd6 when
he attacked my rook on c8 with a knight. The rook could not move without
the loss of my bishop on c7. The bishop was pinned so could not move
without the loss of the rook.

I'd seen this threat and knew I had a good answer, so after 30...Bb6+ he
resigned.


Well, the bishop is pinned, obviously. By attack the rook you're
"removing the defender." He's also counting on your "weak back rank"
because Rd8 Rxc7 Rxd6 loses to Rc8+.

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"Niederlagenzug" not "niederlegendezug" :-)

Matt Nemmers wrote:
Dave (from the UK) wrote:

I (g8wrb as black) played a game on ICC which for once I won (I lose
about 55% and only win about 40%).

There was a potentially interesting move by my opponent at 30.Nd6 when
he attacked my rook on c8 with a knight. The rook could not move without
the loss of my bishop on c7. The bishop was pinned so could not move
without the loss of the rook.

I'd seen this threat and knew I had a good answer, so after 30...Bb6+ he
resigned.

But ignoring the fact I had the move 30..Bb6+, what would his tactic be
called? I don't think I have seen this sort of thing before.

[Event "ICC 30 20"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2006.10.14"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Uramunter"]
[Black "g8wrb"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ICCResult "White resigns"]
[WhiteElo "1460"]
[BlackElo "1325"]
[Opening "French: advance, Nimzovich system"]
[ECO "C02"]
[NIC "FR.03"]
[Time "20:37:33"]
[GameType "ICCStandard"]
[TimeControl "1800+20"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. c3 Nxe5 7. Bxd7+ Nxd7 8.
Bf4 cxd4 9. Qxd4 Qf6 10. Be5 Nxe5 11. Nxe5 b5 12. O-O Bd6 13. f4 Ne7 14. a4
Nf5 15. Ng4 Qxd4+ 16. cxd4 Nxd4 17. axb5 Nxb5 18. Ra4 O-O 19. Nd2 Rfc8 20.
Nf3 Rc4 21. Rxc4 dxc4 22. Nd2 c3 23. bxc3 Nxc3 24. Rf3 Ne2+ 25. Kf2 Nxf4 26.
Ne4 Bc7 27. Rc3 Rc8 28. Ne3 Nd5 29. Nxd5 exd5 30. Nd6 Bb6+ {White resigns}
0-1



The tactic is called "niederlegendezug," from the German phrase:
"ausgezeichnete niederlegende chancen." Which means, giving your
opponent "excellent resigning chances." (Literally, "excellent laying
down chances.")

I believe it was Steinitz who originated the phrase, but I can't recall
for sure.

Nice game!

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Undermining.


"Dave (from the UK)"
wrote in message ...
I (g8wrb as black) played a game on ICC which for once I won (I lose about
55% and only win about 40%).

There was a potentially interesting move by my opponent at 30.Nd6 when he
attacked my rook on c8 with a knight. The rook could not move without the
loss of my bishop on c7. The bishop was pinned so could not move without
the loss of the rook.

I'd seen this threat and knew I had a good answer, so after 30...Bb6+ he
resigned.

But ignoring the fact I had the move 30..Bb6+, what would his tactic be
called? I don't think I have seen this sort of thing before.

[Event "ICC 30 20"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2006.10.14"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Uramunter"]
[Black "g8wrb"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ICCResult "White resigns"]
[WhiteElo "1460"]
[BlackElo "1325"]
[Opening "French: advance, Nimzovich system"]
[ECO "C02"]
[NIC "FR.03"]
[Time "20:37:33"]
[GameType "ICCStandard"]
[TimeControl "1800+20"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. c3 Nxe5 7. Bxd7+ Nxd7
8.
Bf4 cxd4 9. Qxd4 Qf6 10. Be5 Nxe5 11. Nxe5 b5 12. O-O Bd6 13. f4 Ne7 14.
a4
Nf5 15. Ng4 Qxd4+ 16. cxd4 Nxd4 17. axb5 Nxb5 18. Ra4 O-O 19. Nd2 Rfc8 20.
Nf3 Rc4 21. Rxc4 dxc4 22. Nd2 c3 23. bxc3 Nxc3 24. Rf3 Ne2+ 25. Kf2 Nxf4
26.
Ne4 Bc7 27. Rc3 Rc8 28. Ne3 Nd5 29. Nxd5 exd5 30. Nd6 Bb6+ {White resigns}
0-1

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